2020 US General Election Thread X: For Those About to Vote

[Rusozak]

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/home-stretch-signs-trump-s-hard-sell-seniors-pitch-may-n1244167

Biden leads among seniors 62-35 according to NBC news. If that is true Trump is toast.

Who does Trump lead amongst these days? People who like Donald Trump?

I don't know. But I don't even think he's leading in people with the last name "Trump."

[Nobel Hobos 2]

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/home-stretch-signs-trump-s-hard-sell-seniors-pitch-may-n1244167

Biden leads among seniors 62-35 according to NBC news. If that is true Trump is toast.

Who does Trump lead amongst these days? People who like Donald Trump?

White people, no college grad. 60/34
White people, 51/44

As you said, Republicans. 85/9

Live in a solid/lean Red state. 50/43

Mind you, that was 2 weeks ago

[Kexholm Karelia]

Same. I don’t really pay attention to the supporters. Trump’s actions are what have informed my opinion of him.

I live amongst his supporters, so I can't afford to ignore them. They, more than he, are what make me apprehensive about the future, not necessarily this election, but the next few years possibly leading to a Trump with more intelligence being elected in '24 or '28.

We have different opinions from you people and there is no objectively correct political opinion, so when you say you’re getting "apprehensive," what you're meaning is someone with different opinions from yours will be elected

[Cannot think of a name]

I live amongst his supporters, so I can't afford to ignore them. They, more than he, are what make me apprehensive about the future, not necessarily this election, but the next few years possibly leading to a Trump with more intelligence being elected in '24 or '28.

We have different opinions from you people and there is no objectively correct political opinion, so when you say you’re getting "apprehensive," what you're meaning is someone with different opinions from yours will be elected

This might be true when we’re talking about marginal tax rates or trade policy. Then there’s Trump...

[Nobel Hobos 2]

I live amongst his supporters, so I can't afford to ignore them. They, more than he, are what make me apprehensive about the future, not necessarily this election, but the next few years possibly leading to a Trump with more intelligence being elected in '24 or '28.

We have different opinions from you people and there is no objectively correct political opinion, so when you say you’re getting "apprehensive," what you're meaning is someone with different opinions from yours will be elected

It wasn't that hard. Shrillland worries that the same people who vote for Trump might vote for a more intelligent version of Trump in 4 years, or 8 years.

Trump being an idiot has lost him more votes than his political positions have. And it happened early. A lot of former supporters were clearly horrified that he wasn't just playing dumb for the campaign ... that they're elected an actual moron and he wasn't going to drop the act. That nonsense about the crowd at Inauguration probably hurt a lot of voters.

[Rusozak]

We have different opinions from you people and there is no objectively correct political opinion, so when you say you’re getting "apprehensive," what you're meaning is someone with different opinions from yours will be elected

It wasn't that hard. Shrillland worries that the same people who vote for Trump might vote for a more intelligent version of Trump in 4 years, or 8 years.

Trump being an idiot has lost him more votes than his political positions have. And it happened early. A lot of former supporters were clearly horrified that he wasn't just playing dumb for the campaign ... that they're elected an actual moron and he wasn't going to drop the act. That nonsense about the crowd at Inauguration probably hurt a lot of voters.

It feels like it's been decades since then. What did he say at inauguration?

[Eukaryotic Cells]

It wasn't that hard. Shrillland worries that the same people who vote for Trump might vote for a more intelligent version of Trump in 4 years, or 8 years.

Trump being an idiot has lost him more votes than his political positions have. And it happened early. A lot of former supporters were clearly horrified that he wasn't just playing dumb for the campaign ... that they're elected an actual moron and he wasn't going to drop the act. That nonsense about the crowd at Inauguration probably hurt a lot of voters.

It feels like it's been decades since then. What did he say at inauguration?

That his crowd was actually bigger than Obama's, when it wasn't.

Our intro to Trump as President was "I actually won the popular vote", "my inauguration crowd was bigger than Obama's", his "American carnage" speech, him self-aggrandizing in front of the CIA memorial wall, and his National Security Advisor getting fired for talking to Russian diplomats during the transition and then lying about it. Fun times...

[Vassenor]

I have a few pretty big flags around here including some straight pride flags, blue lives matter flags, and of course, the old rebel flag in Lincoln's home state, proof that some people don't seem to understand the irony of it all.

WTF is straight pride?

Conservatives demanding an equal attention cake.

[Juristonia]

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/home-stretch-signs-trump-s-hard-sell-seniors-pitch-may-n1244167

Biden leads among seniors 62-35 according to NBC news. If that is true Trump is toast.

Who does Trump lead amongst these days? People who like Donald Trump?

Last I checked, low income, low educated white males in my age group.
That was a few weeks ago though, so even that might've changed by now.

[Nejii]

Who does Trump lead amongst these days? People who like Donald Trump?

Last I checked, low income, low educated white males in my age group.
That was a few weeks ago though, so even that might've changed by now.

Now low educated is a bit unfair. There are business owners, academics, doctors, and collegiate students of varying background and race that are pro trump. Labeling all Trump supporters as Neanderthals is nothing but an incorrect stereotype. Just like labeling all Biden supporters as "lib-tards" and immigrants is an incorrect stereotype.

[Vassenor]

WTF is straight pride?

Conservatives demanding an equal attention cake.

Actually let's put this a bit longer:

People who think we need "straight pride parades" or a "white history month" are kinda like people who look at handicapped parking spaces and say "why don't I get something like that, huh?" They don't care why it exists, they don't care that they get the whole parking lot, they're just mad that there's four spaces in front of the Wal-Mart that aren't just for them.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Last I checked, low income, low educated white males in my age group.
That was a few weeks ago though, so even that might've changed by now.

Now low educated is a bit unfair. There are business owners, academics, doctors, and collegiate students of varying background and race that are pro trump. Labeling all Trump supporters as Neanderthals is nothing but an incorrect stereotype. Just like labeling all Biden supporters as "lib-tards" and immigrants is an incorrect stereotype.

They were talking about which demographic is still for Trump more than against him.

And it is low-educated white people, and residents of red states.

And too obviously, registered Republicans.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Conservatives demanding an equal attention cake.

Actually let's put this a bit longer:

People who think we need "straight pride parades" or a "white history month" are kinda like people who look at handicapped parking spaces and say "why don't I get something like that, huh?" They don't care why it exists, they don't care that they get the whole parking lot, they're just mad that there's four spaces in front of the Wal-Mart that aren't just for them.

The analogy you chose implies that gay people should get special accommodations to make up for them being disabled.

Personally I'm not gay enough -- or disabled enough -- to attempt such an argument!

[Nejii]

Now low educated is a bit unfair. There are business owners, academics, doctors, and collegiate students of varying background and race that are pro trump. Labeling all Trump supporters as Neanderthals is nothing but an incorrect stereotype. Just like labeling all Biden supporters as "lib-tards" and immigrants is an incorrect stereotype.

They were talking about which demographic is still for Trump more than against him.

And it is low-educated white people, and residents of red states.

And too obviously, registered Republicans.

White yes. Uneducated? Prove it, please.

[Vassenor]

Actually let's put this a bit longer:

The analogy you chose implies that gay people should get special accommodations to make up for them being disabled.

Personally I'm not gay enough -- or disabled enough -- to attempt such an argument!

...Did you pull something reaching that hard?

[Nobel Hobos 2]

They were talking about which demographic is still for Trump more than against him.

And it is low-educated white people, and residents of red states.

And too obviously, registered Republicans.

White yes. Uneducated? Prove it, please.

I did before, but it's lost in the chaos of this thread I guess.

white no-college 60/34 ... (4th chart)
Compare with White 51/44

[Juristonia]

They were talking about which demographic is still for Trump more than against him.

And it is low-educated white people, and residents of red states.

And too obviously, registered Republicans.

White yes. Uneducated? Prove it, please.

You should really stretch before reaching this hard. You could sprain something.

https://www.npr.org/2020/09/03/90743351 ... to-decline
https://www.economist.com/graphic-detai ... hite-house
https://twitter.com/SteveKornacki/statu ... 1522147328
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/2 ... ort-418420

[Nejii]

White yes. Uneducated? Prove it, please.

I did before, but it's lost in the chaos of this thread I guess.

white no-college 60/34 ... (4th chart)
Compare with White 51/44

(This is just an observation, not a "bite back.")

For low education they're nose to nose, as with some college education. Biden leads heavily with post-grads and not too heavily with grad students. Biden is really only blowing Trump away amongst higher-ed students, which as far as the education based poll is what is giving him his lead. Again I said on that particular poll.

Also, just to clarify, I assumed the "uneducated" remark was a typical cheap on attack on individuals IQ. It was not, so in modern lingo; my bad.

[Nejii]

White yes. Uneducated? Prove it, please.

You should really stretch before reaching this hard. You could sprain something.

https://www.npr.org/2020/09/03/90743351 ... to-decline
https://www.economist.com/graphic-detai ... hite-house
https://twitter.com/SteveKornacki/statu ... 1522147328
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/2 ... ort-418420

I'm very long, so I think not.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

The analogy you chose implies that gay people should get special accommodations to make up for them being disabled.

Personally I'm not gay enough -- or disabled enough -- to attempt such an argument!

...Did you pull something reaching that hard?

You compared gay people to disabled people.

Listen to your friends or you'll hear it from your enemies. It's a really bad argument.

[Vassenor]

...Did you pull something reaching that hard?

You compared gay people to disabled people.

Listen to your friends or you'll hear it from your enemies. It's a really bad argument.

In what way did I compare gay people to disabled people? Because that's the massive fucking reach I talked about.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

You compared gay people to disabled people.

Listen to your friends or you'll hear it from your enemies. It's a really bad argument.

In what way did I compare gay people to disabled people? Because that's the massive fucking reach I talked about.

If you can't see it ...

Conservatives demanding an equal attention cake.

Actually let's put this a bit longer:

People who think we need "straight pride parades" or a "white history month" are kinda like people who look at handicapped parking spaces and say "why don't I get something like that, huh?" They don't care why it exists, they don't care that they get the whole parking lot, they're just mad that there's four spaces in front of the Wal-Mart that aren't just for them.

Then it probably wasn't your own work. So let's absolve you of saying something stupid, and just go with "Vassenor quoted something stupid without thinking about what it means".

It's probably John Stewart or someone ... doesn't make it right.

[Vassenor]

In what way did I compare gay people to disabled people? Because that's the massive fucking reach I talked about.

If you can't see it ...

Actually let's put this a bit longer:

Then it probably wasn't your own work. So let's absolve you of saying something stupid, and just go with "Vassenor quoted something stupid without thinking about what it means".

It's probably John Stewart or someone ... doesn't make it right.

So how does "some people get upset when things aren't all about them" compare gay people to disabled people beyond both having an example of things that other people get upset that they don't get? You're still reaching.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

If you can't see it ...



Then it probably wasn't your own work. So let's absolve you of saying something stupid, and just go with "Vassenor quoted something stupid without thinking about what it means".

It's probably John Stewart or someone ... doesn't make it right.

So how does "some people get upset when things aren't all about them" compare gay people to disabled people beyond both having an example of things that other people get upset that they don't get? You're still reaching.

"Gay people ARE socially disabled" would have been a better line. I'm done reaching after someone who keeps running away.

[Vassenor]

So how does "some people get upset when things aren't all about them" compare gay people to disabled people beyond both having an example of things that other people get upset that they don't get? You're still reaching.

"Gay people ARE socially disabled" would have been a better line. I'm done reaching after someone who keeps running away.

Well complaining that I keep refusing to make the argument you want me to make is one way to admit you didn't actually read the argument and were just trying to stoke outrage.