Then none of the countries named win on any of those scales.
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by Kowani » Sat Oct 10, 2020 4:06 pm
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by Sanghyeok » Sat Oct 10, 2020 4:07 pm
どんな時も、赤旗の眩しさを覚えていた
Magical socialist paradise headed by an immortal, tea-loving and sometimes childish Chairwoman who happens to be the younger Ōmiya sister
by Pepsi Co » Sat Oct 10, 2020 4:07 pm
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by Eurasies » Sat Oct 10, 2020 4:10 pm
Pepsi Co wrote:I say we should replace the government with corporations, abolish the minimum wage, ban those socialist run charities and soup kitchens, and exile every registered democrat to internment camps in New Mexico to die of heat stroke. With all the pinkos and their ideology dead we'll enter a capitalist golden age!
by The Marlborough » Sat Oct 10, 2020 4:10 pm
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by New haven america » Sat Oct 10, 2020 4:10 pm
-Ra- wrote:New haven america wrote:1. Those are socialist policies and this is an anti-socialism thread, so...
2. They are not.
3. A capitalist system of resource management says its way is the best and everything else is wrong. Who could've guessed?
1. They are not socialist policies. Kinda telling that you don't know what socialism is.
2. They are.
3. Economics is not capitalism. This is like saying that science prefers vaccines, therefore science is biased towards vaccines and against anti-vaxxers. Socialism is the anti-vaxx movement of economics.
by -Ra- » Sat Oct 10, 2020 4:11 pm
The Marlborough wrote:Eurasies wrote:1)Higher quality of life, 1)higher life expectancy, 3)higher human development index, 4)less corruption, 5)strongest economies in the world, 6)higher nominal GDP?
1) Top three countries according to GDP (PPP) per capita: Qatar, Singapore, Luxembourg
2) Life expectancy top three: Hong Kong, Japan, Singapore
3) Top three HDI: Norway, Switzerland, Ireland
4) Corruption: New Zealand, Denmark, Finland
5) GDP (PPP): China, USA, India
6) GDP nominal: US, China, Japan
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by VlaRiSsiA » Sat Oct 10, 2020 4:11 pm
Kowani wrote:VlaRiSsiA wrote: I’m directing my message to the inevitable swarm of toxic nations. It’s not happening yet, but always threads get jacked
You...don't spend a lot of time on NSG, do you.Sanghyeok wrote:
They are a libertarian socialist from my conversations with them.
There is no need to friendly fire, comrade.
It is not "friendly fire" when I point out that they're attacking socialists for a position taken by nobody.
tl;dr - after nuclear war, corrupt oligarchical hellhole emerges. ogre leads revolution, kills oligarchs after civil war, improves quality of life with progressive social policies and industrialization. couple foreign invasions, assassination attempts, personal losses, and rebellions later, ogre goes psychotic and kills anyone he’s sus of. then a fascist midget invades and kills third of the population, ogre manages to defeat him but goes completely bonkers.
now we got a hyper-totalitarian hyper-militaristic industrial hive-mind quasi-slave state that the ogre 70 years ago would be horrified at
by Cloud-Cuckoo-Land » Sat Oct 10, 2020 4:11 pm
-Ra- wrote:Cloud-Cuckoo-Land wrote:Prosperity is not a highest priority, though. It is essential to have a working economy, sure, but sufficient is enough, or even better than superior, if other things are also taken into account. You can say prosperity is of highest importance to you and you have every right to do so. But most people don't really care about numbers but just the ability to live their life in peace. As long as an average person can manage, their economy can be inferior to some other country's economy.
You can live off 200K dollars annually. Just because someone else earns 300K does not automatically mean they are better in every single regard than you are.
Thankfully we live in a capitalist system that lets most people live their lives in peace. That's kind of the point. The people of Mao's China or Pol Pot's Cambodia didn't get to live their lives in peace. They were starved to death or hacked up by machetes in open fields.
by The Marlborough » Sat Oct 10, 2020 4:12 pm
-Ra- wrote:The Marlborough wrote:1) Top three countries according to GDP (PPP) per capita: Qatar, Singapore, Luxembourg
2) Life expectancy top three: Hong Kong, Japan, Singapore
3) Top three HDI: Norway, Switzerland, Ireland
4) Corruption: New Zealand, Denmark, Finland
5) GDP (PPP): China, USA, India
6) GDP nominal: US, China, Japan
All of these countries bar China are capitalist.
by Pepsi Co » Sat Oct 10, 2020 4:12 pm
Eurasies wrote:Pepsi Co wrote:I say we should replace the government with corporations, abolish the minimum wage, ban those socialist run charities and soup kitchens, and exile every registered democrat to internment camps in New Mexico to die of heat stroke. With all the pinkos and their ideology dead we'll enter a capitalist golden age!
I am liberal, but this is already very extreme
by Eurasies » Sat Oct 10, 2020 4:13 pm
The Marlborough wrote:Eurasies wrote:1)Higher quality of life, 1)higher life expectancy, 3)higher human development index, 4)less corruption, 5)strongest economies in the world, 6)higher nominal GDP?
1) Top three countries according to GDP (PPP) per capita: Qatar, Singapore, Luxembourg
2) Life expectancy top three: Hong Kong, Japan, Singapore
3) Top three HDI: Norway, Switzerland, Ireland
4) Corruption: New Zealand, Denmark, Finland
5) GDP (PPP): China, USA, India
6) GDP nominal: US, China, Japan
You'll note the US only appears on the last two, which should be givens, and neither the UK nor Canada appear in any of them.
by -Ra- » Sat Oct 10, 2020 4:13 pm
New haven america wrote:1. They are, as thy come about during the Industrial Revolution and the rise of the USSR, 2 major periods of time where socialism took off.
2. YouTube is not a source.
3. Economics is the study of resource management through a capitalist lens.
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by Kowani » Sat Oct 10, 2020 4:15 pm
by -Ra- » Sat Oct 10, 2020 4:15 pm
Cloud-Cuckoo-Land wrote:-Ra- wrote:Thankfully we live in a capitalist system that lets most people live their lives in peace. That's kind of the point. The people of Mao's China or Pol Pot's Cambodia didn't get to live their lives in peace. They were starved to death or hacked up by machetes in open fields.
You are purposefully picking the most extreme examples of governments which don't even necessarily have to be socialist. They only asserted themselves as socialist. North Korea also calls itself a democratic republic - is it one?
There was a capitalist country which oppressed some people just as much. It was called United States, way back in 1864 and before.
But using that example to prove that capitalism is inherently wrong and socialism is god is not going to be intellectually honest on my part. I am not going to play your game.
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by New haven america » Sat Oct 10, 2020 4:16 pm
-Ra- wrote:New haven america wrote:1. They are, as thy come about during the Industrial Revolution and the rise of the USSR, 2 major periods of time where socialism took off.
2. YouTube is not a source.
3. Economics is the study of resource management through a capitalist lens.
1. This is incorrect. Social insurance existed since Bismarck. Not the USSR, which had a laughably weak social security net that let millions die.
2. MIT Economics Department certainly is
3. No it isn't. It's the study of resource management using data and scientific reasoning. It's possible to study the USSR's policies in terms of economics, for instance. But we know that socialism has an aversion to data and scientific reason, so what does it matter?
by Phaenix » Sat Oct 10, 2020 4:16 pm
-Ra- wrote:New haven america wrote:1. They are, as thy come about during the Industrial Revolution and the rise of the USSR, 2 major periods of time where socialism took off.
2. YouTube is not a source.
3. Economics is the study of resource management through a capitalist lens.
1. This is incorrect. Social insurance existed since Bismarck. Not the USSR, which had a laughably weak social security net that let millions die.
2. MIT Economics Department certainly is
3. No it isn't. It's the study of resource management using data and scientific reasoning. It's possible to study the USSR's policies in terms of economics, for instance. But we know that socialism has an aversion to data and scientific reason, so what does it matter?
by The New California Republic » Sat Oct 10, 2020 4:16 pm
-Ra- wrote:But we know that socialism has an aversion to data and scientific reason
by Punished UMN » Sat Oct 10, 2020 4:16 pm
-Ra- wrote:New haven america wrote:Capitalism: "Universal healthcare and social safety nets are evil because they steal money from the pockets of hard workers and socialism would never work because humans are inherently too selfish!"
Ok, so how do we deal with people who can't afford healthcare or food?
Capitalism: "IDFK. Charity or something?"
Nobody's saying that you have to get rid of universal healthcare and food. Markets are the best allocator of goods. That's a fact of economics and the reason why socialist countries fail. However, a certain amount of government intervention in the economy is good. So sometimes the government should step in, but for most cases it's unnecessary.
Quite ironic that healthcare and food tend to be the shittiest in socialist countries.
by -Ra- » Sat Oct 10, 2020 4:16 pm
Kowani wrote:-Ra- wrote:The US, UK, Canada and EU, which are all capitalist, have the highest marks on all of these.
The EU is not a single country, so we'll discard that. Unless you want to claim that living in Hungary is as good as living in Denmark, in which case, you can be safely ignored.
Anyway.
Quality of life winner: Denmark.
Life Expectancy Winner: Japan
Corruption Winner: New Zealand
I will admit I was wrong, the US does win on the most useless metric, Nominal GDP.
Would you like to try again?
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