Fl. Gov. Propose law to legalize running over BLM protesters

[Bassoe]

Credible sources. Forbes is PRC propaganda. And how on earth do you expect to argue that mass gathering protests aren't contagious but mass gathering employment is?

Anything that disagrees with me is propaganda.

Everyone drink.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/democracy-post/wp/2017/12/14/chinese-ownership-is-raising-questions-about-the-editorial-independence-of-a-major-u-s-magazine/

[Vassenor]

Anything that disagrees with me is propaganda.

Everyone drink.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/democracy-post/wp/2017/12/14/chinese-ownership-is-raising-questions-about-the-editorial-independence-of-a-major-u-s-magazine/

So how does that make the academic paper they're citing propaganda?

[Galloism]

Mass gatherings don't spread the plague? Wonderful! Does that mean we can reopen society before the economic armageddon the lockdowns have caused for everyone who isn't super-wealthy can continue getting worse? Or does Saint George just bless the protests so they're not hotbeds of contagion, employment still spreads it?

Which is basically my way of telling you to cite your claims or withdraw them.

Again, citation needed.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2020/07/01/research-determines-protests-did-not-cause-spike-in-coronavirus-cases/#6fa8f1b37dac

https://www.justsecurity.org/70497/far-right-infiltrators-and-agitators-in-george-floyd-protests-indicators-of-white-supremacists/

Before I go on an academic hunt again, is this the same paper you cited before that I dug into and found that the paper itself said it was likely the violence and threat of violence that counteracted the spread caused by protests, and therefore the two effects cancelled each other out?

[Neutraligon]

Hell Yeah! Run em’ over!

And this nets you a *** 1 day ban ***

[Vassenor]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2020/07/01/research-determines-protests-did-not-cause-spike-in-coronavirus-cases/#6fa8f1b37dac

https://www.justsecurity.org/70497/far-right-infiltrators-and-agitators-in-george-floyd-protests-indicators-of-white-supremacists/

Before I go on an academic hunt again, is this the same paper you cited before that I dug into and found that the paper itself said it was likely the violence and threat of violence that counteracted the spread caused by protests, and therefore the two effects cancelled each other out?

And this makes what difference to the point being made about the protests not resulting in outbreaks?

[Galloism]

Before I go on an academic hunt again, is this the same paper you cited before that I dug into and found that the paper itself said it was likely the violence and threat of violence that counteracted the spread caused by protests, and therefore the two effects cancelled each other out?

And this makes what difference to the point being made about the protests not resulting in outbreaks?

I dunno.

I guess you're trying to make the argument that we can have our football games back, if everyone goes out and riots afterward, because that won't spread the plague in the aggregate.

[WayNeacTia]

So how does that make these protesters idiots?

Because far from winning converts to your cause, the only thing holding mass gatherings during a highly contagious global plague during which you and your friends do billions in property damage burning down peoples' homes and places of employment actually accomplishes is to convince people to support anyone willing to stop you.

Hasn't stopped Trump form holding mass rallies at which no one is social distancing or wearing masks. In fact, someone from his campaign actually died from the highly contagious, global plague. How many protesters have died from covid?

[Northern Davincia]

Because far from winning converts to your cause, the only thing holding mass gatherings during a highly contagious global plague during which you and your friends do billions in property damage burning down peoples' homes and places of employment actually accomplishes is to convince people to support anyone willing to stop you.

Hasn't stopped Trump form holding mass rallies at which no one is social distancing or wearing masks. In fact, someone from his campaign actually died from the highly contagious, global plague. How many protesters have died from covid?

I think it would be reasonable to say that more than one protester has died from the disease.

[The Republic of Fore]

In fact, they're in many times more danger of being killed by gang violence. Strange how there are no "peaceful protests" when Chicago has 68 shootings in a weekend. Guess those black lives don't make a good enough narrative.

"BUT WHAT ABOUT THE BLACK ON BLACK CRIME!"

Everybody drink.

Just saying. If black lives matter so much maybe we should address who kills 90% of black murder victims. But why do that when we can obsess over a percent of a percent?

[Bassoe]

I think it would be reasonable to say that more than one protester has died from the disease.

More like, what was the point of the government destroying the economy with quarantine if they're going to render it pointless by allowing for mass infection-spreading protests/riots anyway?

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Hasn't the evidence shown the protests aren't causing spikes?

Mass gatherings don't spread the plague? Wonderful! Does that mean we can reopen society before the economic armageddon the lockdowns have caused for everyone who isn't super-wealthy can continue getting worse? Or does Saint George just bless the protests so they're not hotbeds of contagion, employment still spreads it?

Which is basically my way of telling you to cite your claims or withdraw them.

And we've already seen that the property damage is being done by agitators.

Again, citation needed.

Mass gatherings outdoors, mostly of younger people, do not seem to cause a big problem. If they did, there would be a correlation between where the protests are and and a later spike in infections.

You made a claim, Vassenor tried to refute it, you rejected the source ... and you think therefore your claim stands.

Hasn't the evidence shown the protests aren't causing spikes?

Mass gatherings don't spread the plague?

Demanding proof that you're wrong, then rejecting evidence because of where it was published, doesn't end with you being right.

Not that you care. I bet you think you won that one.

[Freiheit Reich]

Mass gatherings don't spread the plague? Wonderful! Does that mean we can reopen society before the economic armageddon the lockdowns have caused for everyone who isn't super-wealthy can continue getting worse? Or does Saint George just bless the protests so they're not hotbeds of contagion, employment still spreads it?

Which is basically my way of telling you to cite your claims or withdraw them.

Again, citation needed.

Mass gatherings outdoors, mostly of younger people, do not seem to cause a big problem. If they did, there would be a correlation between where the protests are and and a later spike in infections.

You made a claim, Vassenor tried to refute it, you rejected the source ... and you think therefore your claim stands.

Mass gatherings don't spread the plague?

Demanding proof that you're wrong, then rejecting evidence because of where it was published, doesn't end with you being right.

Not that you care. I bet you think you won that one.

If mass gatherings of young people outdoors is OK, why were spring breakers so heavily criticized by many? The media is showing a double standard.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronaviru ... -of-tampa/

https://news.yahoo.com/least-28-texas-s ... 00612.html

In the UK, people are threatened with fines for going to beaches and parks but going to protests is cool? I guess it is because protests are not fun or perhaps it is because anybody criticizing protesters is branded 'racist.'

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/c ... 57181.html

In fact, this is another problem with Biden. He will also support this double standard. Biden needs to take off his mask and stop the lockdown nonsense. Both republicans and democrats are guilty of supporting lockdowns but democrats are more totalitarian about it overall. Biden will keep the madness going another year while people are unemployed and miserable.

[Kowani]

"BUT WHAT ABOUT THE BLACK ON BLACK CRIME!"

Everybody drink.

Just saying. If black lives matter so much maybe we should address who kills 90% of black murder victims. But why do that when we can obsess over a percent of a percent?

I didn’t realize black people were an agent of the state tasked with enforcing the laws.
Well, maybe in Uganda.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Mass gatherings outdoors, mostly of younger people, do not seem to cause a big problem. If they did, there would be a correlation between where the protests are and and a later spike in infections.

You made a claim, Vassenor tried to refute it, you rejected the source ... and you think therefore your claim stands.



Demanding proof that you're wrong, then rejecting evidence because of where it was published, doesn't end with you being right.

Not that you care. I bet you think you won that one.

If mass gatherings of young people outdoors is OK, why were spring breakers so heavily criticized by many? The media is showing a double standard.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronaviru ... -of-tampa/

https://news.yahoo.com/least-28-texas-s ... 00612.html

In the UK, people are threatened with fines for going to beaches and parks but going to protests is cool? I guess it is because protests are not fun or perhaps it is because anybody criticizing protesters is branded 'racist.'

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/c ... 57181.html

In fact, this is another problem with Biden. He will also support this double standard. Biden needs to take off his mask and stop the lockdown nonsense. Both republicans and democrats are guilty of supporting lockdowns but democrats are more totalitarian about it overall. Biden will keep the madness going another year while people are unemployed and miserable.

"Biden needs to take off his mask" is you criticizing someone who is doing nobody any harm. Even if you think the mask is useless, it's not harming you.

This along with your defense of spring breakers (who are just like protesters in the sense they're doing what they want), when you haven't established at all that what they're doing is harmless, amounts to rank hypocrisy in the space of one post.

I frankly don't care what your attitude to protesters is. If it's informed by gut feeling and hypocrisy, I don't want to hear it.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

And this makes what difference to the point being made about the protests not resulting in outbreaks?

I dunno.

I guess you're trying to make the argument that we can have our football games back, if everyone goes out and riots afterward, because that won't spread the plague in the aggregate.

There's dead loss at the beginning of that. The first few games, the public won't know to expect rioting so they'll get caught up in it, or at least personally offended by it. You get the spread of the virus, without any suppression effect of people staying home. And when people do start staying home because they expect football rioting, then you've got infection spread from the game, plus people being intimidated into staying home (presumably less happy that way) AND stuff getting wrecked. The only good is the suppression effect and the gratification of football fans.

I would say the burden on people's happiness and the stuff getting wrecked is unjustified either way. But it's more justified in the cause of freedom of speech, than of attendance at the football.

So I'm partially justifying something that happens already. You undertake to partially justify something that doesn't currently happen. Are you really comfortable saying the US needs more rioting at this time?

One more point: we don't know how much of the stay-home suppression is fear of rioters, and how much is fear of police responding to the law-abiding person as if they are a rioter!

[Shazbotdom]

In fact, this is another problem with Biden. He will also support this double standard. Biden needs to take off his mask and stop the lockdown nonsense. Both republicans and democrats are guilty of supporting lockdowns but democrats are more totalitarian about it overall. Biden will keep the madness going another year while people are unemployed and miserable.

1: Someone deciding to wear a mask is not hurting anyone.
2: Biden has no authority, so he cannot order any sort of lockdowns.

Your misinformation is hilarious.

[Albrenia]

In fact, this is another problem with Biden. He will also support this double standard. Biden needs to take off his mask and stop the lockdown nonsense. Both republicans and democrats are guilty of supporting lockdowns but democrats are more totalitarian about it overall. Biden will keep the madness going another year while people are unemployed and miserable.

1: Someone deciding to wear a mask is not hurting anyone.
2: Biden has no authority, so he cannot order any sort of lockdowns.

Your misinformation is hilarious.

Honestly, he should have worn a mask to the debate in hindsight. 'Take off the mask' is just an ignorant position.

[Lamoni]

Mass gatherings outdoors, mostly of younger people, do not seem to cause a big problem. If they did, there would be a correlation between where the protests are and and a later spike in infections.

You made a claim, Vassenor tried to refute it, you rejected the source ... and you think therefore your claim stands.



Demanding proof that you're wrong, then rejecting evidence because of where it was published, doesn't end with you being right.

Not that you care. I bet you think you won that one.

If mass gatherings of young people outdoors is OK, why were spring breakers so heavily criticized by many? The media is showing a double standard.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronaviru ... -of-tampa/

https://news.yahoo.com/least-28-texas-s ... 00612.html

In the UK, people are threatened with fines for going to beaches and parks but going to protests is cool? I guess it is because protests are not fun or perhaps it is because anybody criticizing protesters is branded 'racist.'

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/c ... 57181.html

In fact, this is another problem with Biden. He will also support this double standard. Biden needs to take off his mask and stop the lockdown nonsense. Both republicans and democrats are guilty of supporting lockdowns but democrats are more totalitarian about it overall. Biden will keep the madness going another year while people are unemployed and miserable.

*** Warning for violating the COVID-19 misinformation rules ***

[Blueflarst]

No protests should be allowed on a pandemy, you are spreading it

[Blueflarst]

https://www.theblaze.com/news/fla-governor-proposes-law-that-would-protect-drivers-who-kill-or-injure-demonstrators-if-theyre-fleeing-a-mob?utm_source=theblaze-breaking&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20200922Trending-RomneyVoteScotus&utm_term=ACTIVE%20LIST%20-%20TheBlaze%20Breaking%20News

I'm not a super political person but I found this law really disturbing o might disagree w people on stuff but killing people? Really? Protesting is a right

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/fl ... 33461.html

Voices
While Bill Barr rants about ‘anarchist’ cities, Florida is quietly bringing in fascist-style laws against protesters
Trump-supporting Republicans have started to realize they’re on the wrong side of history — and they’re acting accordingly

Corey Hill
Florida
12 hours ago

Governor DeSantis has brought in felony charges which effectively criminalize dissent
Governor DeSantis has brought in felony charges which effectively criminalize dissent
On Monday, flanked by maskless Polk County Sheriffs, Florida Governor Ron DeSantis announced his grand new strategy to quell dissent and just maybe boost his disastrous standing in the Sunshine State polling averages: the Combating Violence, Disorder and Looting and Law Enforcement Protection Act. Since this is Florida, it’s equal parts stupid and dangerous.

The act calls for felony charges for protesters who block roadways; felony charges for protests of seven or more people which result in property damages; hell, charges for donating to protests that result in property damage. People convicted under these new statutes will lose their eligibility for state benefits, and won’t be eligible for bail until their first court appearance. Under the “No Defund the Police Permitted’ subsection, we learn that municipalities that reduce funding to police will lose access to state grants and aid. The act even attaches RICO liability to people involved in organizing protests that result in property damages.


But as far as addressing the most prevalent source of actual violence at protests — drivers running over people exercising their First Amendment rights — not only does the act fail to create penalties for vehicular assaults, it actually calls for immunity for people who drive over protestors.

Manipulated and biased

[The Republic of Fore]

Just saying. If black lives matter so much maybe we should address who kills 90% of black murder victims. But why do that when we can obsess over a percent of a percent?

I didn’t realize black people were an agent of the state tasked with enforcing the laws.
Well, maybe in Uganda.

There are many black police officers. But hey, keep focusing on an extremely tiny fraction of total deaths. Just don't be shocked when it doesn't achieve much. While you're at it, why don't you try to prevent people from getting lung cancer? But not with anti smoking campaigns, or legislation.

[Vassenor]

I didn’t realize black people were an agent of the state tasked with enforcing the laws.
Well, maybe in Uganda.

There are many black police officers. But hey, keep focusing on an extremely tiny fraction of total deaths. Just don't be shocked when it doesn't achieve much. While you're at it, why don't you try to prevent people from getting lung cancer? But not with anti smoking campaigns, or legislation.

So because those things exist it's OK for the police to act as judge, jury and executioner?

[Nobel Hobos 2]

No protests should be allowed on a pandemy, you are spreading it

No football crowds should be allowed during a pandemic, I agree.

[Galloism]

I dunno.

I guess you're trying to make the argument that we can have our football games back, if everyone goes out and riots afterward, because that won't spread the plague in the aggregate.

There's dead loss at the beginning of that. The first few games, the public won't know to expect rioting so they'll get caught up in it, or at least personally offended by it. You get the spread of the virus, without any suppression effect of people staying home. And when people do start staying home because they expect football rioting, then you've got infection spread from the game, plus people being intimidated into staying home (presumably less happy that way) AND stuff getting wrecked. The only good is the suppression effect and the gratification of football fans.

I would say the burden on people's happiness and the stuff getting wrecked is unjustified either way. But it's more justified in the cause of freedom of speech, than of attendance at the football.

So I'm partially justifying something that happens already. You undertake to partially justify something that doesn't currently happen. Are you really comfortable saying the US needs more rioting at this time?

One more point: we don't know how much of the stay-home suppression is fear of rioters, and how much is fear of police responding to the law-abiding person as if they are a rioter!

I was being sarcastic. The paper that Vassenor cites unironically confirms the protests and riots spread covid, but it was likely the riots in particular that countered this effect by causing fear in the populace and made them stay home.

It also postulates that the after dark curfews to cut down on riots also had a suppression effect.

Yet Vassenor cites it uncritically as “protests didn’t spread covid” when they did. The real takeaway is “protests spread covid, but violence and fear suppress the transmission of covid”.

[Ifreann]

"BUT WHAT ABOUT THE BLACK ON BLACK CRIME!"

Everybody drink.

Just saying. If black lives matter so much maybe we should address who kills 90% of black murder victims. But why do that when we can obsess over a percent of a percent?

Dude, I already explained to you that the police are, at least in theory, under the control of the people by way of the government, and thus protests can make the police change how they operate. But criminal gangs aren't under the democratic control of the people, obviously, so protests don't make sense as a response. Do you not understand that, or are you just ignoring the point?