Should the State of Washington be renamed?

[The Reformed American Republic]

You don't get to have faults unless your a Marxist who spews critical race theory or other such drivel.

I hate to say it, but those lost causers were right about it not ending at confederate monuments. Can't even admire our forefathers anymore.

Why the fuck would we stop with Confederate monuments? You might find some buddies in the whole lost cause movement if you're so upset about your heritage or some shit

You are full of hate. If you are talking about the French and Indian War, those Native Americans had sided with France, which was the UK's enemy at the time. If those Natives had left the colonists alone, the British would have left them alone.

The British drove them out of their homes to make room for their colonies, of course they'd jump at the opportunity to fight back with an ally.

Not a lost causer, that's why.

[Ethel mermania]

Exactly, you're once again repeating the claim that backs up my point about the colonists and founding fathers being racist scum.

Read 'em, but don't try to make excuses for their racism or build statues of them.

Ok this is where your views are flawed, it was considered the moral of the days and even Thomas Jefferson thought it was immoral to have slaves but couldnt give them up or hed be in debt. George Washington in fact let all his slaves go when he died.
The statues should stay

/pendantic rant.
Freed after Martha died, though she did free them before her death as she didn't think it terribly wise to be alone with people who would be free upon her death.

[Bala Mantre]

Zimbabwe means Land of Castles. I prefer the Land of Castles with our kick arse flag.

Am I the only person in the world that doesn't like Zimbabwe's current flag? I much prefer the flag of Rhodesia-Zimbabwe.

Or maybe the Scottish-Rhodesian-Zimbabwe Union?

[San Lumen]

If you knew that you would know the three fifths compromise was probably the only way you’d get the 13 colonies to agree on a constitution.

Exactly, you're once again repeating the claim that backs up my point about the colonists and founding fathers being racist scum.

Many authors in the 18th and 19th century held beliefs we’d consider racist today. Should their books and poetry not be read or taught anymore?

Read 'em, but don't try to make excuses for their racism or build statues of them.

Once again you show your complete lack of knowledge of history. As a historian your comments are very distressing.

[Cordel One]

Exactly, you're once again repeating the claim that backs up my point about the colonists and founding fathers being racist scum.

Read 'em, but don't try to make excuses for their racism or build statues of them.

Ok this is where your views are flawed, it was considered the moral of the days and even Thomas Jefferson thought it was immoral to have slaves but couldnt give them up or hed be in debt. George Washington in fact let all his slaves go when he died.
The statues should stay

Jefferson raped his slaves , so clearly he didn't give a shit about morals. Washington freed all of his slaves except one who escaped whose family was constantly being hunted down. Besides, that doesn't justify him owning and using slaves in the first place.

[Cordel One]

Exactly, you're once again repeating the claim that backs up my point about the colonists and founding fathers being racist scum.

Read 'em, but don't try to make excuses for their racism or build statues of them.

Once again you show your complete lack of knowledge of history. As a historian your comments are very distressing.

I'm not lacking some big piece of the puzzle here, I'm just not trying to excuse their atrocities. The fact that most colonists were racist and the union wouldn't have been formed without it isn't a justification.

[Bala Mantre]

Ok this is where your views are flawed, it was considered the moral of the days and even Thomas Jefferson thought it was immoral to have slaves but couldnt give them up or hed be in debt. George Washington in fact let all his slaves go when he died.
The statues should stay

Jefferson raped his slaves , so clearly he didn't give a shit about morals. Washington freed all of his slaves except one who escaped whose family was constantly being hunted down. Besides, that doesn't justify him owning and using slaves in the first place.

I understand that happened, but as a college student trying to get my degree in ancient history, should we just rip out every statue made before the 1800's?
Because back then, slavery was the norm around the world.
Is that what your saying?

[Ethel mermania]

Ok this is where your views are flawed, it was considered the moral of the days and even Thomas Jefferson thought it was immoral to have slaves but couldnt give them up or hed be in debt. George Washington in fact let all his slaves go when he died.
The statues should stay

Jefferson raped his slaves , so clearly he didn't give a shit about morals. Washington freed all of his slaves except one who escaped whose family was constantly being hunted down. Besides, that doesn't justify him owning and using slaves in the first place.

His sister-in-law, how consensual the relationship the relationship was... would be hard to tell. By all accounts sally ran the jefferson household.

Sally did have the opportunity to go free in Paris and turned it down.

[Railroad Crossing]

Washington was our first president, and had more good things than bad things. That's the exact reason why we should keep the state as its name.
Otherwise we should name it by its tribes. Tribes need more recognization.

[San Lumen]

Ok this is where your views are flawed, it was considered the moral of the days and even Thomas Jefferson thought it was immoral to have slaves but couldnt give them up or hed be in debt. George Washington in fact let all his slaves go when he died.
The statues should stay

Jefferson raped his slaves , so clearly he didn't give a shit about morals. Washington freed all of his slaves except one who escaped whose family was constantly being hunted down. Besides, that doesn't justify him owning and using slaves in the first place.

All these memorials or places named for Washington should be removed or renamed?: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of ... Washington


Same goes for this list of Jefferson?: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of ... _Jefferson

[Bala Mantre]

Washington was our first president, and had more good things than bad things. That's the exact reason why we should keep the state as its name.
Otherwise we should name it by its tribes. Tribes need more recognization.

Thats a worse idea than Ive heard today.
I get recognizing tribal natives, but as someone who lives in Oregon, we shouldnt do that
Keep the names

[The Reformed American Republic]

Jefferson raped his slaves , so clearly he didn't give a shit about morals. Washington freed all of his slaves except one who escaped whose family was constantly being hunted down. Besides, that doesn't justify him owning and using slaves in the first place.

I understand that happened, but as a college student trying to get my degree in ancient history, should we just rip out every statue made before the 1800's?
Because back then, slavery was the norm around the world.
Is that what your saying?

Look up the Chinese Cultural Revolution because that's what this is an attempt to start.

[Cordel One]

Jefferson raped his slaves , so clearly he didn't give a shit about morals. Washington freed all of his slaves except one who escaped whose family was constantly being hunted down. Besides, that doesn't justify him owning and using slaves in the first place.

I understand that happened, but as a college student trying to get my degree in ancient history, should we just rip out every statue made before the 1800's?
Because back then, slavery was the norm around the world.
Is that what your saying?

The recent European type of slavery was worse than most historic examples (though that's still no justification), but what you're really missing here is that those statues are no longer used as things to idolize, they're artifacts that go in museums.

[Ethel mermania]

Once again you show your complete lack of knowledge of history. As a historian your comments are very distressing.

I'm not lacking some big piece of the puzzle here, I'm just not trying to excuse their atrocities. The fact that most colonists were racist and the union wouldn't have been formed without it isn't a justification.

all white people were racist in those days, tbf most people on the planet were. What made the Europeans special is they had the means to enforce their views on all the others.

[North Prarie]

Nobody wants to do this, except people on the extreme left. People just use hypotheticals like these to say "dEMoCraTs hATe aMERicA anD aRe dEStroYinG iTs HiSToRY." No, we're not.

[Bala Mantre]

I understand that happened, but as a college student trying to get my degree in ancient history, should we just rip out every statue made before the 1800's?
Because back then, slavery was the norm around the world.
Is that what your saying?

Look up the Chinese Cultural Revolution because that's what this is an attempt to start.

Oh please stop with the dramatics, Im not saying that was a good thing for Mao to do but today, China has the best navy, biggest military, and the best economic GDP per year.

[Cordel One]

Jefferson raped his slaves , so clearly he didn't give a shit about morals. Washington freed all of his slaves except one who escaped whose family was constantly being hunted down. Besides, that doesn't justify him owning and using slaves in the first place.

All these memorials or places named for Washington should be removed or renamed?: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of ... Washington


Same goes for this list of Jefferson?: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of ... _Jefferson

Put 'em in museums or make museums around the large ones, but destroy Mount Rushmore.

[San Lumen]

Once again you show your complete lack of knowledge of history. As a historian your comments are very distressing.

I'm not lacking some big piece of the puzzle here, I'm just not trying to excuse their atrocities. The fact that most colonists were racist and the union wouldn't have been formed without it isn't a justification.

What would you have rather happened at the constitutional convention? Can you lay out a reasonable alternative to the three fifths compromise that doesn’t lead to the dissolution of the convention?

[An-Tanwir]

why?

We ain't going to destroy our cultural foundations to appease a radicalized minority of progressives and comminists.

Yes you will. In fact, I'm currently drafting a new washington monument. This one will have Obama holding hands with a terrorist and an abortion doctor, who are respectively holding a burning bible and a copy of the communist manifesto

[The Reformed American Republic]

Look up the Chinese Cultural Revolution because that's what this is an attempt to start.

Oh please stop with the dramatics, Im not saying that was a good thing for Mao to do but today, China has the best navy, biggest military, and the best economic GDP per year.

You're missing the point. This attempt to remove statues, change names, etc though radical action is an attempt to destroy American culture in a similar way the Cultural Revolution did in China.

[Bala Mantre]

All these memorials or places named for Washington should be removed or renamed?: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of ... Washington


Same goes for this list of Jefferson?: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of ... _Jefferson

Put 'em in museums or make museums around the large ones, but destroy Mount Rushmore.

And how do you propose we destroy an entire fucking mountain?
Listen to yourself, your sounding crazed.
Plus we put artifacts like Bronze Helmets in mueseums but theres something in India, a long iron pole that was built when Indian Kings decided to go pure aryan and purged minorities but you dont hear people wanting to tear that down

[Cordel One]

I understand that happened, but as a college student trying to get my degree in ancient history, should we just rip out every statue made before the 1800's?
Because back then, slavery was the norm around the world.
Is that what your saying?

Look up the Chinese Cultural Revolution because that's what this is an attempt to start.

Look up the Batak Massacre because that's what it's really all about. That's right, we're playing a game of 4-D chess that will lead to the eventual massacre of Bulgarians and there's nothing you can do to stop us.

[Atheris]

Look up the Chinese Cultural Revolution because that's what this is an attempt to start.

Look up the Batak Massacre because that's what it's really all about. That's right, we're playing a game of 4-D chess that will lead to the eventual massacre of people in Bulgaria.

NOOOOOOO NOT BULGARIA

[Bala Mantre]

We ain't going to destroy our cultural foundations to appease a radicalized minority of progressives and comminists.

Yes you will. In fact, I'm currently drafting a new washington monument. This one will have Obama holding hands with a terrorist and an abortion doctor, who are respectively holding a burning bible and a copy of the communist manifesto

Ok, I understand some poeple hating on Obama but terrorist?
Im a Muslim myself but terrorists usually come from their own country
Like ANTIFA or the neo-nazis

[Cordel One]

Put 'em in museums or make museums around the large ones, but destroy Mount Rushmore.

And how do you propose we destroy an entire fucking mountain?
Listen to yourself, your sounding crazed.
Plus we put artifacts like Bronze Helmets in mueseums but theres something in India, a long iron pole that was built when Indian Kings decided to go pure aryan and purged minorities but you dont hear people wanting to tear that down

Not the whole mountain, just those faces. Artifacts from ancient warlords can stay as part of museums too, but for fuck's sake don't try to justify their actions.