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by Mirjt » Wed Sep 16, 2020 6:54 pm
by Bombadil » Wed Sep 16, 2020 7:01 pm
Mirjt wrote:I am confused, I thought Mongolia was an independent state that bordered China and Russia, how does China have any power to do that to Mongolian citizens and people? Is "South Mongolia" a portion of Mongolia that is within the Chinese borders and not within the Mongolian state borders, and therefore subjecting the South Mongolians to Chinese rule?
Even so, I do not doubt that this is happening. I just find it depressing that the Chinese government is persecuting all non-Han Chinese peoples.
by Feline Goetland » Wed Sep 16, 2020 7:06 pm
Mirjt wrote:Comparing one form of genocide to another is an exercise in futility.
Does American slavery count as a form of cultural genocide, or what about Jim Crow, or what about America's concentration camps, or what about America's eugenics history, or what about the extermination of indigenous peoples (one of the largest mass deaths of humans in history), or what about America's mass incarceration system (one that dwarfs even China's), what about America's wars in the middle east and elsewhere?
by Borderlands of Rojava » Wed Sep 16, 2020 9:08 pm
Mirjt wrote:Comparing one form of genocide to another is an exercise in futility.
Does American slavery count as a form of cultural genocide, or what about Jim Crow, or what about America's concentration camps, or what about America's eugenics history, or what about the extermination of indigenous peoples (one of the largest mass deaths of humans in history), or what about America's mass incarceration system (one that dwarfs even China's), what about America's wars in the middle east and elsewhere?
by Rusozak » Wed Sep 16, 2020 9:08 pm
Mirjt wrote:Comparing one form of genocide to another is an exercise in futility.
Does American slavery count as a form of cultural genocide, or what about Jim Crow, or what about America's concentration camps, or what about America's eugenics history, or what about the extermination of indigenous peoples (one of the largest mass deaths of humans in history), or what about America's mass incarceration system (one that dwarfs even China's), what about America's wars in the middle east and elsewhere?
by Freiheit Reich » Wed Sep 16, 2020 10:33 pm
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:Nilrahrarfan wrote:And yet the NBA and Blizzard still want to deal with China. Why would they do business in a country that commits cultural genocide and at one point banned you from having a second child?!
The NBA: Black Lives Matter. Black rights are human rights.
Also the NBA: You commit racist oppression against minorities? We'll still do business with you.
by Kowani » Wed Sep 16, 2020 10:49 pm
Feline Goetland wrote:Mirjt wrote:Comparing one form of genocide to another is an exercise in futility.
Does American slavery count as a form of cultural genocide, or what about Jim Crow, or what about America's concentration camps, or what about America's eugenics history, or what about the extermination of indigenous peoples (one of the largest mass deaths of humans in history), or what about America's mass incarceration system (one that dwarfs even China's), what about America's wars in the middle east and elsewhere?
All temperate peoples can potentially be very nasty. You actually get more casual violence and less large scale genocides in humid, tropical areas. Temperate peoples are the opposite. Germans can be disciplined among themselves but at the same time would go and genocide the Herero in South-West Africa. Same for Japanese and Chinese: peaceful when not allowed to kill people but when allowed..
by Kowani » Thu Sep 17, 2020 12:34 am
Rusozak wrote:Mirjt wrote:Comparing one form of genocide to another is an exercise in futility.
Does American slavery count as a form of cultural genocide, or what about Jim Crow, or what about America's concentration camps, or what about America's eugenics history, or what about the extermination of indigenous peoples (one of the largest mass deaths of humans in history), or what about America's mass incarceration system (one that dwarfs even China's), what about America's wars in the middle east and elsewhere?
That's kind of my point. America has blood on it's hands, but it's never like, actively tried to exterminate a people or culture. If they have done so, it was a side effect of arrogance and disregard for other people, but not necessarily a purposeful and organized attempt to wipe people out. America wasn't *trying* to systematically purge the native American races, it just kind of happened as a byproduct of westward expansion. America has mass incarceration, police brutality, rampant racism and ignorance, and a very concerning cultural inclination towards violence. But they don't have death camps. I'm not sure I can say the same of China.
by Feline Goetland » Thu Sep 17, 2020 12:48 am
Kowani wrote:Feline Goetland wrote:
All temperate peoples can potentially be very nasty. You actually get more casual violence and less large scale genocides in humid, tropical areas. Temperate peoples are the opposite. Germans can be disciplined among themselves but at the same time would go and genocide the Herero in South-West Africa. Same for Japanese and Chinese: peaceful when not allowed to kill people but when allowed..
...The Herero and Namqua genocide didn't happen 'cause it was too fucking hot, it happened 'cause the Germans didn't see either of those tribes as fully human. The global south is more violent because it is poor, not because it's hot. The same reason you see more casual violence compared to genocides (a historically inaccurate take, looking at the history of the Pygmies, the Mfecane, etc) there is because of the lack of wealth, which leads to a lack of infrastructure. You could possibly make an argument that heat makes large-scale centralization more difficult, but then you have to drop the humid portion, which sucks for your racism.
by Vivolkha » Thu Sep 17, 2020 4:35 am
Nilrahrarfan wrote:Feline Goetland wrote:https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/stop-ccps-cultural-genocide-inner-mongolia
The so-called “People’s” Republic of China has recently gone even more absurd than what it used to be. Recently it began to require ethnic Mongol middle school students to take three key courses full of propaganda in Mandarin instead of Mongolian, that is, Language & literature aka philology, politics (lol that’s a pure propaganda course) and history (muh China rulez. Muh Japan sucks etc)
If you have time please click on the link above and sign the petition so that there will be at least 100,000 signatures. Really thanks!
And yet the NBA and Blizzard still want to deal with China. Why would they do business in a country that commits cultural genocide and at one point banned you from having a second child?!
Salus Maior wrote:I think it's safe to say that if you're not a Han, and are not practicing an approved religion, you're getting genocided and culturally deprived in China.
by Borderlands of Rojava » Thu Sep 17, 2020 5:39 am
Feline Goetland wrote:Mirjt wrote:Comparing one form of genocide to another is an exercise in futility.
Does American slavery count as a form of cultural genocide, or what about Jim Crow, or what about America's concentration camps, or what about America's eugenics history, or what about the extermination of indigenous peoples (one of the largest mass deaths of humans in history), or what about America's mass incarceration system (one that dwarfs even China's), what about America's wars in the middle east and elsewhere?
All temperate peoples can potentially be very nasty. You actually get more casual violence and less large scale genocides in humid, tropical areas. Temperate peoples are the opposite. Germans can be disciplined among themselves but at the same time would go and genocide the Herero in South-West Africa. Same for Japanese and Chinese: peaceful when not allowed to kill people but when allowed..
by Kexholm and Karelia » Thu Sep 17, 2020 7:29 am
Mirjt wrote:Comparing one form of genocide to another is an exercise in futility.
Does American slavery count as a form of cultural genocide, or what about Jim Crow, or what about America's concentration camps, or what about America's eugenics history, or what about the extermination of indigenous peoples (one of the largest mass deaths of humans in history), or what about America's mass incarceration system (one that dwarfs even China's), what about America's wars in the middle east and elsewhere?
by Mirjt » Thu Sep 17, 2020 8:18 am
Kexholm and Karelia wrote:Mirjt wrote:Comparing one form of genocide to another is an exercise in futility.
Does American slavery count as a form of cultural genocide, or what about Jim Crow, or what about America's concentration camps, or what about America's eugenics history, or what about the extermination of indigenous peoples (one of the largest mass deaths of humans in history), or what about America's mass incarceration system (one that dwarfs even China's), what about America's wars in the middle east and elsewhere?
You sound like Erdogan
by Kowani » Thu Sep 17, 2020 8:32 am
Feline Goetland wrote:Kowani wrote:...The Herero and Namqua genocide didn't happen 'cause it was too fucking hot, it happened 'cause the Germans didn't see either of those tribes as fully human. The global south is more violent because it is poor, not because it's hot. The same reason you see more casual violence compared to genocides (a historically inaccurate take, looking at the history of the Pygmies, the Mfecane, etc) there is because of the lack of wealth, which leads to a lack of infrastructure. You could possibly make an argument that heat makes large-scale centralization more difficult, but then you have to drop the humid portion, which sucks for your racism.
Please read my arguments.
I said that temperate peoples are generally less willing to commit casual violence while MORE willing to commit full-scale large genocide compared to tropical peoples. So Herero genocide by Germany was a manifestation of the phenomenon.
by Kexholm and Karelia » Thu Sep 17, 2020 8:45 am
Mirjt wrote:Kexholm and Karelia wrote:You sound like Erdogan
Erdogan is an authoritarian leader who is openly antisemitic and homophobic. I am arguing that it is pointless to try and compare which genocide is more humane, no genocide is humane, all genocide is evil regardless of its individual features and details. China's genocidal behavior being described as worst than America's make no sense, both have done and are doing genocidal activities, regardless if it is 1 million people dead or 2 million people dead, regardless if it is rooted in a millenia long bigotry or a centries long bigotry, makes no difference, they are both unacceptable.
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