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by Unibot III » Sun Sep 13, 2020 1:26 am
[violet] wrote:I mean this in the best possible way,
but Unibot is not a typical NS player.
Milograd wrote:You're a caring, resolute lunatic
with the best of intentions.
by Lord Dominator » Sun Sep 13, 2020 12:13 pm
by The Church of Satan » Sun Sep 13, 2020 1:10 pm
by Unibot III » Sun Sep 13, 2020 7:22 pm
Lord Dominator wrote:You're mistaking "should be necessary" for "is necessary" - whether or not someone likes it, Discord is for the most part where all/most of the people, activity, and government activity generally is.
[violet] wrote:I mean this in the best possible way,
but Unibot is not a typical NS player.
Milograd wrote:You're a caring, resolute lunatic
with the best of intentions.
by Lord Dominator » Mon Sep 14, 2020 9:20 am
Unibot III wrote:Lord Dominator wrote:You're mistaking "should be necessary" for "is necessary" - whether or not someone likes it, Discord is for the most part where all/most of the people, activity, and government activity generally is.
I don't think I'm making that mistake. When I was more active, it was sort of a transitional time: forums were active but you still had this rising influencer culture on IRC, Skype, and MSN. And yet I spent more time on NS than I did social platforms. In my experience, it doesn't detract from your ability to lead if your priority isn't to lead social circles.
I made enemies and I think part of the equation in this essay left indirectly said is that transcending influencers is about being willing to make enemies and threaten a status quo by demonstrating an indifference to their priorities. I think this is the essential element of real leadership. You lead, you don't follow. You transcend the superficial. Respect and contempt are a package deal.
by King HEM » Mon Sep 14, 2020 5:43 pm
Lord Dominator wrote:Unibot III wrote:
I don't think I'm making that mistake. When I was more active, it was sort of a transitional time: forums were active but you still had this rising influencer culture on IRC, Skype, and MSN. And yet I spent more time on NS than I did social platforms. In my experience, it doesn't detract from your ability to lead if your priority isn't to lead social circles.
I made enemies and I think part of the equation in this essay left indirectly said is that transcending influencers is about being willing to make enemies and threaten a status quo by demonstrating an indifference to their priorities. I think this is the essential element of real leadership. You lead, you don't follow. You transcend the superficial. Respect and contempt are a package deal.
Yes, but my point isn't that you can't buck the crowds in that sense, but that a lot of actual government activity (it varies by region) is conducted on Discord. To use an example I'm familiar with, TNP (probably on the lower end of use of Discord for government activity) has effectively the entire Executive government running mainly through Discord, and the other branches aren't exactly not using it to my knowledge. Saying you're willing to make enemies is great and all, but it's hard to be a leader without Discord when that's where all the people to lead are.
by Imperium Anglorum » Tue Sep 15, 2020 11:32 am
by The Church of Satan » Tue Sep 15, 2020 11:45 am
by Jar Wattinree » Tue Sep 15, 2020 12:50 pm
The Church of Satan wrote:The account creation process for forums is a non-issue. Kids these days are just too lazy to undergo the two minute process. Asking them to check the inbox of their gmail account? Oh no! They have been defeated by this "long" and "Tedious" process! It isn't a problem with forums. It's a real world societal issue of kids not learning the slightest bit of patience.
by The Seeker of Power » Wed Sep 16, 2020 9:47 am
Jar Wattinree wrote:The Church of Satan wrote:The account creation process for forums is a non-issue. Kids these days are just too lazy to undergo the two minute process. Asking them to check the inbox of their gmail account? Oh no! They have been defeated by this "long" and "Tedious" process! It isn't a problem with forums. It's a real world societal issue of kids not learning the slightest bit of patience.
This guy gets it.
by The Church of Satan » Wed Sep 16, 2020 12:50 pm
by Lord Dominator » Wed Sep 16, 2020 3:29 pm
by The Church of Satan » Wed Sep 16, 2020 5:19 pm
Lord Dominator wrote:I think focusing solely on account creation is missing the point, which I took rather to be that it's easier to get someone to do a little bit more of what they're already doing (being on Discord) then to have them participate on a forum, particularly when much of the activity has already drifted to the former.
by New Rogernomics » Wed Sep 16, 2020 7:00 pm
There's a plugin for that, for most forum software. No excuse now in Lazarus, ever since I enabled one click account creation via Discord.The Church of Satan wrote:Oh no, for years now new players have complained about how registering an account on the forum is "too hard." I've been hearing it myself for at least the last four years.
by Reploid Productions » Wed Sep 16, 2020 7:12 pm
[violet] wrote:Maybe we could power our new search engine from the sexual tension between you two.
by The Church of Satan » Wed Sep 16, 2020 8:14 pm
Reploid Productions wrote:Dear gods, Nationstates has officially been around long enough to spark generation arguments. "You kids and your Discords too lazy to make forum accounts! In MY day we only had IRC and regional forums and WE LIKED IT!"
by Klaus Devestatorie » Thu Sep 17, 2020 4:38 am
by Sandaoguo » Thu Sep 17, 2020 6:35 am
Klaus Devestatorie wrote:As someone who's been around for long enough to remember when everything was done on forums and live chat was the occasional affair, not the other way around, I'm actually finding a lot of "forum" based content to no longer be relevant to me at all. The main things that forums seem to be used more successfully for is role play (which I can't be stuffed to invest the creative energy in), and regional governments, and I'm not sure this isn't the fault of regional government architects. For everything else, Discord is almost certainly going to be the better option. It doesn't help that I'd rather pee in a slow cooker and run it overnight than use Tapatalk, either. If you're full on in your region and what they use is normalcy for you, you won't see an issue with the forum, but from my perspective as a now very casual participant... I can't figure out why I'd be on your forum.
by Unibot III » Thu Sep 17, 2020 8:49 am
Sandaoguo wrote:Klaus Devestatorie wrote:As someone who's been around for long enough to remember when everything was done on forums and live chat was the occasional affair, not the other way around, I'm actually finding a lot of "forum" based content to no longer be relevant to me at all. The main things that forums seem to be used more successfully for is role play (which I can't be stuffed to invest the creative energy in), and regional governments, and I'm not sure this isn't the fault of regional government architects. For everything else, Discord is almost certainly going to be the better option. It doesn't help that I'd rather pee in a slow cooker and run it overnight than use Tapatalk, either. If you're full on in your region and what they use is normalcy for you, you won't see an issue with the forum, but from my perspective as a now very casual participant... I can't figure out why I'd be on your forum.
If you subtract regional governance from Gameplay, all you have left is the socializing.
[violet] wrote:I mean this in the best possible way,
but Unibot is not a typical NS player.
Milograd wrote:You're a caring, resolute lunatic
with the best of intentions.
by Drunken Conquerors » Thu Sep 17, 2020 1:07 pm
Reploid Productions wrote:Dear gods, Nationstates has officially been around long enough to spark generation arguments. "You kids and your Discords too lazy to make forum accounts! In MY day we only had IRC and regional forums and WE LIKED IT!"
Unibot III wrote:Sandaoguo wrote:
If you subtract regional governance from Gameplay, all you have left is the socializing.
Which is exactly the problem I hoped to raise with this essay. :/
Should NS be a social platform or a political game? I think GP is at a crossroads on that, or may have chosen the former altogether.
by The Church of Satan » Thu Sep 17, 2020 1:09 pm
by Yokiria » Thu Sep 17, 2020 2:58 pm
by The Church of Satan » Thu Sep 17, 2020 4:17 pm
by Lord Dominator » Thu Sep 17, 2020 4:29 pm
The Church of Satan wrote:It is a place for regional government. R/D, journalism, invitations to fun festivals, etc.
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