by Feline Goetland » Wed Sep 09, 2020 11:32 pm
by Glorious Hong Kong » Thu Sep 10, 2020 12:25 am
by Page » Thu Sep 10, 2020 12:25 am
by Willtime » Thu Sep 10, 2020 12:26 am
Feline Goetland wrote:As we all know, China exists. However shall it really happen? Any iteration of China in history has been a brutal entity that treats its own subjects as well as foreign peoples like shit. A typical regime change in China tends to be accompanied by a major depopulation. Moreover China historically conducted genocides that are so thorough that not enough survivors were left to condemn, let alone punish the perpetrators. Since China is so awful shall it be abolished and replaced by Korea-sized successor states that can ensure the existence of human rights and international norms?
by Picairn » Thu Sep 10, 2020 12:29 am
by Feline Goetland » Thu Sep 10, 2020 12:32 am
Page wrote:The size of a state is not relevant to how well that state upholds human rights. Why would China breaking up into a bunch of small successor states be any less oppressive? The people of the Balkans were much better off under a united Yugoslavia. After it fell apart is when the war and killing started. Look at former Soviet States like Belarus and Turkmenistan which are significantly more totalitarian now.
by Old Zealand Founder » Thu Sep 10, 2020 12:33 am
Glorious Hong Kong wrote:I support China's right to exist as a nation-state, but I also support its Balkanization and the independence of many smaller countries such as Hong Kong, Macau, Tibet, East Turkestan, Inner Mongolia, and Taiwan. I pray for the CCP's demise every single day. I support the creation of a smaller, freer, more democratic China of which Hong Kong is not a constituent part. Only then can I say I'm proud to be Chinese without lying.
by New Carthagea » Thu Sep 10, 2020 12:33 am
The Father Has Come: The Pope has started his 5 day visit to New Carthagea today in Phoenicia. He will meet HM The King later this day, and will address the joint session of the Parliament.
America Leaves Egypt! In a surprising turn of events, US President Biden has announced that he will be ordering the retreat of all American troops from American-occupied Egypt, says will work towards restoration of democracy.
by Willtime » Thu Sep 10, 2020 12:34 am
Picairn wrote:Yeah, because Balkanization of China has not led to civil wars and internal strife before... Every time a civil war happens in China, millions are dead with infrastructure greatly destroyed. I prefer a united but pacifist China than multiple authoritarian countries turning the whole of China into a giant warzone.
by Picairn » Thu Sep 10, 2020 12:35 am
New Carthagea wrote:A united China is preferable to that of a divided mess. The country should be way more devolved, though. Regions with unique cultural identities such as Tibet and East Turkestan must be given a fair degree of autonomy and the right to preserve their culture.
by Cantiron » Thu Sep 10, 2020 12:37 am
by Smenovekhovtia » Thu Sep 10, 2020 12:37 am
by New Carthagea » Thu Sep 10, 2020 12:37 am
Smenovekhovtia wrote:As we all know, The United States exists. However shall it really happen? Any iteration of the US in history has been a brutal entity that treats its own subjects as well as foreign peoples like shit. A typical regime change in America tends to be accompanied by a major depopulation. Moreover the United States historically conducted genocides that are so thorough that not enough survivors were left to condemn, let alone punish the perpetrators. Since The United States is so awful shall it be abolished and replaced by Florida-sized successor states that can ensure the existence of human rights and international norms?
The Father Has Come: The Pope has started his 5 day visit to New Carthagea today in Phoenicia. He will meet HM The King later this day, and will address the joint session of the Parliament.
America Leaves Egypt! In a surprising turn of events, US President Biden has announced that he will be ordering the retreat of all American troops from American-occupied Egypt, says will work towards restoration of democracy.
by USS Monitor » Thu Sep 10, 2020 12:39 am
by Feline Goetland » Thu Sep 10, 2020 12:40 am
Picairn wrote:Yeah, because Balkanization of China has not led to civil wars and internal strife before... Every time a civil war happens in China, millions are dead with infrastructure greatly destroyed. I prefer a united but pacifist China than multiple authoritarian countries turning the whole of China into a giant warzone.
by Smenovekhovtia » Thu Sep 10, 2020 12:40 am
Smenovekhovtia wrote:As we all know, The United States exists. However shall it really happen? Any iteration of the US in history has been a brutal entity that treats its own subjects as well as foreign peoples like shit. A typical regime change in America tends to be accompanied by a major depopulation. Moreover the United States historically conducted genocides that are so thorough that not enough survivors were left to condemn, let alone punish the perpetrators. Since The United States is so awful shall it be abolished and replaced by Florida-sized successor states that can ensure the existence of human rights and international norms?
by Feline Goetland » Thu Sep 10, 2020 12:41 am
Smenovekhovtia wrote:Smenovekhovtia wrote:As we all know, The United States exists. However shall it really happen? Any iteration of the US in history has been a brutal entity that treats its own subjects as well as foreign peoples like shit. A typical regime change in America tends to be accompanied by a major depopulation. Moreover the United States historically conducted genocides that are so thorough that not enough survivors were left to condemn, let alone punish the perpetrators. Since The United States is so awful shall it be abolished and replaced by Florida-sized successor states that can ensure the existence of human rights and international norms?
Just trying to remind everyone that the west is just as brutal if not more brutal
by Smenovekhovtia » Thu Sep 10, 2020 12:43 am
by Picairn » Thu Sep 10, 2020 12:43 am
Smenovekhovtia wrote:Just trying to remind everyone that the west is just as brutal if not more brutal
by Feline Goetland » Thu Sep 10, 2020 12:44 am
by Vivolkha » Thu Sep 10, 2020 12:44 am
Page wrote:The size of a state is not relevant to how well that state upholds human rights. Why would China breaking up into a bunch of small successor states be any less oppressive? The people of the Balkans were much better off under a united Yugoslavia. After it fell apart is when the war and killing started. Look at former Soviet States like Belarus and Turkmenistan which are significantly more totalitarian now.
by Willtime » Thu Sep 10, 2020 12:45 am
Old Zealand Founder wrote:Glorious Hong Kong wrote:I support China's right to exist as a nation-state, but I also support its Balkanization and the independence of many smaller countries such as Hong Kong, Macau, Tibet, East Turkestan, Inner Mongolia, and Taiwan. I pray for the CCP's demise every single day. I support the creation of a smaller, freer, more democratic China of which Hong Kong is not a constituent part. Only then can I say I'm proud to be Chinese without lying.
Is a self-sufficient Hong Kong possible? I mean, it certainly is - look at Singapore for example. But right now, what changes have to be made for a free Hong Kong?
by Picairn » Thu Sep 10, 2020 12:45 am
Smenovekhovtia wrote:*Insert 300+ years of slavery and native american genocide*
by Smenovekhovtia » Thu Sep 10, 2020 12:46 am
Feline Goetland wrote:Smenovekhovtia wrote:*Insert 300+ years of slavery and native american genocide*
I already explained it. European countries are at least good towards Europeans of the same ethnicity. Ideally a state should be nice to everyone. If this can not be achieved at least a state should be nice towards its ruling ethnic group (and that everyone needs to get an ethnostate to ensure good treatment). China is even worse.
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