The World Cup Discussion Thread (OOC, Version IV)

[Ko-oren]

NS World Cup Fantasy Qualification

Fantasy 86 is here!

Rules and such are on the 'Start here!' tab. Good luck!

For those who've joined us in the last 3ish months: this is a game in which you pick one team per World Cup Qualification group, and your aim is to pick the teams that you think are going to get the most points. Before you pick all of Pot 1 - there's a catch: you only have so many KPB points to spend on your 18 choices.

[Blouman Empire]

what if we removed kpb rankings and increase people's chances of winning based on rp?

I disagree with this option; for one, we'd be seeing matchups like let's say a amazing team like Banjia vs. a newbie team like me (let's say we played each other before). In the game before (with KPB), Banjia would smash my ass up into 1 million pieces (most likely) but now in a game without KPB (let's say no RP bonus or equal) then it'd would equal, which is totally unrealistic. It's like the Bayern vs. Barcelona 8-2, but in the second leg (if there were one. now there isn't because of timing) Barca draw Bayern 0-0 (no offense to the Barca fans, I'm one too. But the team is stinking.) Also, everyone would be almost equal, so newbie's squad ratings would match experienced squad ratings. But this is only talking for the WC. If you are talking about BoF, you got your wish.

A better example would be France coming up against Palestine and Palestine winning 6-0

[Blouman Empire]

So just on some changes, penalty this WCQ for not having a roster? Any other major changes I may have missed?

[Mriin]

So just on some changes, penalty this WCQ for not having a roster? Any other major changes I may have missed?

There being two MDs per scorination is the other big one, coupled with cutoffs every other day instead of every day.

Also, something important to note that Drawk clarified on Discord--the roster penalty isn't a penalty to your KPB for not posting a roster, like it was in Kry's bids. It's merely a penalty to how much your roster will be worth when you eventually do post it; so someone who wasn't going to roster anyway will have the same chances as before.

If I misunderstood or misstated this, I welcome the hosts to come in and clarify further.

[Blouman Empire]

So just on some changes, penalty this WCQ for not having a roster? Any other major changes I may have missed?

There being two MDs per scorination is the other big one, coupled with cutoffs every other day instead of every day.

Also, something important to note that Drawk clarified on Discord--the roster penalty isn't a penalty to your KPB for not posting a roster, like it was in Kry's bids. It's merely a penalty to how much your roster will be worth when you eventually do post it; so someone who wasn't going to roster anyway will have the same chances as before.

If I misunderstood or misstated this, I welcome the hosts to come in and clarify further.

Thanks, well I got mine in anyway. But what's the deal with two MDs per scorination?

That's going to favour higher ranked players more no? Having one each time means more RPs and more opportunity to improve your bonus which leads to the lower ranked teams getting more of a chance to win a match against high ranked teams that may not have RPed much.

[Farfadillis]

There being two MDs per scorination is the other big one, coupled with cutoffs every other day instead of every day.

Also, something important to note that Drawk clarified on Discord--the roster penalty isn't a penalty to your KPB for not posting a roster, like it was in Kry's bids. It's merely a penalty to how much your roster will be worth when you eventually do post it; so someone who wasn't going to roster anyway will have the same chances as before.

If I misunderstood or misstated this, I welcome the hosts to come in and clarify further.

Thanks, well I got mine in anyway. But what's the deal with two MDs per scorination?

That's going to favour higher ranked players more no? Having one each time means more RPs and more opportunity to improve your bonus which leads to the lower ranked teams getting more of a chance to win a match against high ranked teams that may not have RPed much.

Presumably, RP bonus is doubled to compensate for that.

[Strike]

That's going to favour higher ranked players more no? Having one each time means more RPs and more opportunity to improve your bonus which leads to the lower ranked teams getting more of a chance to win a match against high ranked teams that may not have RPed much.

This is one of the great fallacy's of the trend to have RP bonus measured as a KPB Equivalent and simply used to increase a nations KPB factor instead of a standalone RP factor.

Ultimately, however, it doesn't favor anyone and you could argue it favors lower ranked nations. Nations who are higher ranked have, presumably, gotten there due to a history of quality and quantity of RP. Another fallacy of the argument above is that it implies that the unranked nation is RPing daily while the high ranked nation is not. On the contrary, lower ranked nations (excluding new nations) may be lower ranked BECAUSE they don't historically RP daily. So spreading out and reducing the number of cutoffs actually levels the playing field for these nations allowing them to keep up with the traditionally higher quantity RPers that are above them in the rankings.

[Sargossa]

NS World Cup Fantasy Qualification

...the first nation we find that appears in more than 25% of picks, is Sargossa.

I can only apologise to all involved.

[Main Nation Ministry]

I don't think I'm able to work on the everything thread for this World Cup. As much as I want to do something special, I'm swamped with work.

[Ko-oren]

I can only apologise to all involved.

I was going to say "Likewise, that's why I'm happy everyone went with Tequilo in my group"... but then I looked at your table. That's a harsh start for the Corsairs

[Sargossa]

I was going to say "Likewise, that's why I'm happy everyone went with Tequilo in my group"... but then I looked at your table. That's a harsh start for the Corsairs

I usually require a stiff drink before clicking on any results thread.

[Blouman Empire]

Nothing like your boss calling you up as you're writing your RP and then remain on the phone for half an hour so that you miss the cut-off by 5 minutes

[Twicetagram and JYPe]

Nothing like your boss calling you up as you're writing your RP and then remain on the phone for half an hour so that you miss the cut-off by 5 minutes

lmao rip

[Sarzonia]

I was going to say "Likewise, that's why I'm happy everyone went with Tequilo in my group"... but then I looked at your table. That's a harsh start for the Corsairs

I usually require a stiff drink before clicking on any results thread.

That's the ONLY way to view a results thread!

[Riennic Isles]

I'm looking to bid for the upcoming CoH, so this is an open invitation to anyone who might be interested in working with me to contact me via telegram or Discord. I'd especially encourage newer users who are gearing up for their first shot at hosting a WCC tourney to get in touch - but I wouldn't be opposed to bidding with a senior partner either.

EDIT - Given my comments in the STAQ and Ethane/Sylestone CoH bid threads, I should note that I have already withdrawn my interest in bidding for the CoH (on the community Discord a few days previously), and thus am not an interested party.

[NSWC Signups]

Ok, so, AFAIK, we do not have any Cup of Harmony bids. Although rumors abound.

Of course, generally with the World Cup's tournaments, we don't set deadlines until we have bids. But most other tournaments do. But as I(as in Banija, the Veep) going to take a few days off, I feel it prudent to set a date now.

Let's set the deadline for Cup of Harmony bidding at Sunday, September 13th, at 11:59 PM EDT. If there are no bids at the time(unlikely, in my diagnosis, but possible), we'll figure out what to do then.

[Banija]

As an addendum to the above, I'll probably be out until Sunday.

Of course, I don't expect it to, but just in case everything burns and for whatever reason the Vice President is desperately needed, Quebec and Baker Park have me on FB and bring me back. Otherwise, I'll see y'all at the bidding deadline.

[NSWC Signups]

Also, for clarification.

We had multiple Vilitan style bids for the World Cup(which are bids that involved four nations hosting World Cup Qualifying, with two hosting the Finals and two hosting the Cup of Harmony).

Obviously, with a Vilitan style bid, the Cup of Harmony portion is assumed when you win the World Cup bid. But what happens when you lose the World Cup vote?

After some thought, it makes the most sense for those CoH bids to not be assumed as still in the running, since for Vilitan style bids, CoH votes are technically standalone, and they lost the main portion of their bid. They are, of course, still welcome to bid for the Cup of Harmony. But if they are still interested in hosting the Cup of Harmony, they should either make a new thread, or post some sort of acknowledgement, that they are still interested in hosting the Cup of Harmony.

[Tequilo]

Also, for clarification.

We had multiple Vilitan style bids for the World Cup [snip] They are, of course, still welcome to bid for the Cup of Harmony. But if they are still interested in hosting the Cup of Harmony, they should either make a new thread, or post some sort of acknowledgement, that they are still interested in hosting the Cup of Harmony.

We are still bidding and we will post a new thread, yes, it should be up in the next couple of days.

EDIT: yeah, no

[Drawkland]

Just a quick note - Omerica and Blouman Empire's RPs have been counted for MD7/MD8, despite missing my cutoff post by a couple minutes. Anybody after that is being counted for MD9.

I suppose this serves as a reminder that my next cutoff will only contain a single matchday, and then we'll be halfway done with qualifiers. Then there'll be a standard 48 hour wait until the next cutoff, which will be Newmanistan's first (assuming all goes to plan of course)!

[Blouman Empire]

Thank you Dawkland, I was going to say, that this cutoff is a clear hour earlier than the previous cutoffs and an 90 minutes earlier than the last one.

[Mavinet]

I thought I had some time before the cutoff but oh well

[Farfadillis]

For future reference: the cut-off window has been outlined in the RP thread OP.

[Omerica]

I want to make clear that it was not Drawk’s fault that I missed today’s cutoff, it was mine. I knew I was cutting it close and just happened to be on the wrong side of time.

I was just expecting to shrug it off as “it’ll count for next cutoff”, so I absolutely want to thank Drawk for counting it this one time. Still teaches me to not put it off until the last minute.

[Mavinet]

For future reference: the cut-off window has been outlined in the RP thread OP.

I know. Not blaming Drawk. I was just slow today