Unified German-State wrote:Also IRL Rojava is the epitome of evil in Syria
You're heading off topic.
What say you to my idea to tax emigrants? Those traitors want to give up US citizenship and go some place else, they'll have to pay the tax.
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by Nobel Hobos 2 » Fri Sep 04, 2020 5:41 am
Unified German-State wrote:Also IRL Rojava is the epitome of evil in Syria
by Unified German-State » Fri Sep 04, 2020 5:42 am
HXVZ-07031017 wrote:Remember that most people calling you beta or soyboy are a bunch of 300-lbs NEETs who are supposedly 25 but combines the worst aspects of a toddler, a middle-aged man, and an old man, physically and mentally. These very people are below beta, that's why they call you that
by Unified German-State » Fri Sep 04, 2020 5:42 am
by Nobel Hobos 2 » Fri Sep 04, 2020 5:43 am
HXVZ-07031017 wrote:Remember that most people calling you beta or soyboy are a bunch of 300-lbs NEETs who are supposedly 25 but combines the worst aspects of a toddler, a middle-aged man, and an old man, physically and mentally. These very people are below beta, that's why they call you that
by Unified German-State » Fri Sep 04, 2020 5:44 am
Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:HXVZ-07031017 wrote:Remember that most people calling you beta or soyboy are a bunch of 300-lbs NEETs who are supposedly 25 but combines the worst aspects of a toddler, a middle-aged man, and an old man, physically and mentally. These very people are below beta, that's why they call you that
In Huxley's Brave New World, those below Betas are Gammas.
by Nobel Hobos 2 » Fri Sep 04, 2020 5:46 am
by Nobel Hobos 2 » Fri Sep 04, 2020 5:47 am
by HXVZ-07031017 » Fri Sep 04, 2020 5:48 am
by New yugoslavaia » Fri Sep 04, 2020 5:49 am
by Unified German-State » Fri Sep 04, 2020 5:51 am
New yugoslavaia wrote:I just want to know what he has against Rojava.
by Greater Miami Shores » Fri Sep 04, 2020 6:01 am
Ceranapis wrote:I got into an argument about immigration this morning, and now this has been rattling around my head for the afternoon. Assume we want more immigration - how do we best convince skeptical voters and institutions to create the political change for it?
In this essay, The Economist notes a couple different strategies for convincing people of the need for more immigration:
- Personal stories. People generally relate more to personal stories—such as that of Paulette Wilson, a retired cook who previously worked at the House of Commons, who was wrongly arrested and threatened with deportation by the British government—than to dry statistics.
- Social contact. Fear of “the other” tends to dissipate when people get to know each other. So getting people to mix more would help.
- Appeal to emotions. Opponents of immigration whip up fear and hate. As well as appealing to compassion for immigrants, supporters could tap into patriotism, arguing how openness makes a country great.
- Emphasise what unites us. Diversity is great; so is what people in a particular place have in common.
- Appeal to other people’s values. Liberal values such as individual freedom and equal rights leave some people cold. But Trump voters may be swayed by stories about immigrants who fought for America; traditionalists may be persuaded by highlighting how Latino immigrants share their family values.
- Address people’s underlying concerns. As well as pointing out that immigrants aren’t to blame for unemployment, stagnant wages or stretched public services, politicians need to implement policies to address these problems.
In particular, social contact is recognized as a high potential strategy. People who identify with immigrants and encounter them in their daily lives are less likely to support immigration restrictions. Big cities, with more migrants, are more supportive of immigration than small towns and other areas that receive comparably few. They note that the familiarity strategy has worked well with same-sex marriage- as the percentage of people that know a homosexual person increased, so too did acceptance for that group. However, they also note a drawback for this strategy applied to immigration. Same-sex marriage acceptance imposes essentially no costs on individuals opposed to it, whereas more open immigration has greater perceived costs, even if the exact reality of those costs is debated.
Let's try not to debate the question- there are plenty of other threads where you can argue for your preferred level of immigration. We've all had that argument, we know logical points each side is going to make. Let's focus on the meta-debate one step up from that. Assuming that we want more immigration, what's the best way to convince people of it, either rhetorically or through policy?
For what it's worth, my argument this morning focused on addressing underlying concerns & personal stories, with a dash of appeal to emotion.
by The Reformed American Republic » Fri Sep 04, 2020 6:04 am
Deltia- wrote:Immigration in itself isn't bad. It's the refusal to assimilate that is.
by Nobel Hobos 2 » Fri Sep 04, 2020 6:12 am
by The Reformed American Republic » Fri Sep 04, 2020 6:27 am
Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:The Reformed American Republic wrote:Tread carefully. Some people think that expecting assimilation is bigoted.
"Expecting" assimilation implies some time-frame (in years, or generations) after which the immigrant or descendant is supposed to be fully assimilated.
"Encouraging" assimilation is a more positive approach. If they assimilate in a year, great (though to me it implies a rather shallow person, but whatever, some people are shallow). If they haven't assimilated after two generations, you don't say "time's up, assimilate or we're deporting you" ... which you can't do anyway ... or were you thinking re-education camp? There basically aren't any options to force that rare person or family who don't assimilate, to do so. You can only keep encouraging them.
Tell me some way you can "expect" something, without some kind of deadline, and I'll agree it's not bigoted.
by New yugoslavaia » Fri Sep 04, 2020 6:27 am
by Greater Miami Shores » Fri Sep 04, 2020 6:44 am
Neuer Deutsches Reich wrote:Immigration is good, but must be limited to not exceed the amount the society can handle and it needs to be done legal. No matter your story, illegal means immediate return back. Another thing is integration. If they decide to not integrate and instead shit on the country they are in, you shall be returned to the country you apparently prefer. You don’t want to learn the language? Too bad for you.
How to convince more immigration is good. How much was it in the beginning? In my feeling more is not better. It must stay limited. No immigration is also bad.
by Thermodolia » Fri Sep 04, 2020 7:41 am
Unified German-State wrote:HXVZ-07031017 wrote:Remember that most people calling you beta or soyboy are a bunch of 300-lbs NEETs who are supposedly 25 but combines the worst aspects of a toddler, a middle-aged man, and an old man, physically and mentally. These very people are below beta, that's why they call you that
Good job bro you got none of those correct but good effort
by The Blaatschapen » Fri Sep 04, 2020 8:04 am
by Nobel Hobos 2 » Fri Sep 04, 2020 8:24 am
The Reformed American Republic wrote:Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
"Expecting" assimilation implies some time-frame (in years, or generations) after which the immigrant or descendant is supposed to be fully assimilated.
"Encouraging" assimilation is a more positive approach. If they assimilate in a year, great (though to me it implies a rather shallow person, but whatever, some people are shallow). If they haven't assimilated after two generations, you don't say "time's up, assimilate or we're deporting you" ... which you can't do anyway ... or were you thinking re-education camp? There basically aren't any options to force that rare person or family who don't assimilate, to do so. You can only keep encouraging them.
Tell me some way you can "expect" something, without some kind of deadline, and I'll agree it's not bigoted.
By expecting assimilation, I expect that immigrant groups at least attempt to partially assimilate into the dominant culture over time, and if that isn't going to happen due to them having no interest, then the borders become more restrictive. I don't have hard deadlines here.
by Nobel Hobos 2 » Fri Sep 04, 2020 8:26 am
by Deltia- » Fri Sep 04, 2020 8:45 am
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by Unified German-State » Fri Sep 04, 2020 9:54 am
by Farnhamia » Fri Sep 04, 2020 10:03 am
Unified German-State wrote:Thermodolia wrote:He’s not exactly wrong. 90% of today’s neo-nazis would have been sent to the gas chambers by the actual nazis
So sayeth a real-life homosexual. No thanks but I am more inclined to think these guys
are a million times less likely than these guys
to be "gassed".
HXVZ-07031017 wrote:Borderlands of Rojava wrote:How about no, and we let your white nationalist views end up in the garbage dump with my old school books and dead fish one day?
And your ranking based on skin color is pretty damn inacurrate when West Asians and Southern europeans are often indistinguishable and most Jews I've met are definitely lighter skinned than almost everyone on that list.
He is just salty that a Jewish girl rejected him. That's what you get for being a 2 and being an ass ig.
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