Depends, are we counting only the successful ones?
Mind you, I said "attempt at creating". There have been no societies founded on anarchy because, in practice, it is impossible to succeed at such.
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by West Leas Oros 2 » Wed Sep 02, 2020 2:09 pm
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by Greed and Death » Wed Sep 02, 2020 2:25 pm
The Lone Alliance wrote:West Leas Oros 2 wrote:Depends, are we counting only the successful ones?
Mind you, I said "attempt at creating". There have been no societies founded on anarchy because, in practice, it is impossible to succeed at such.
The closest anyone got in "Modern" times was Makhnovia and that only lasted until the Soviets decided they was no longer useful to them in the Russian Civil War.
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by Conservative Republic Of Huang » Wed Sep 02, 2020 3:18 pm
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Conservative Republic Of Huang wrote:EZLN is on its 26th year.
EZLN very bluntly only exists because the liberal-capitalist state that nominally controls the region allows it to. Even then the EZLN regions are still actual shit and have lower standards of living than Cartel hotbeds, it's not a good example of anarchism working.
by West Leas Oros 2 » Wed Sep 02, 2020 3:18 pm
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Conservative Republic Of Huang wrote:EZLN is on its 26th year.
EZLN very bluntly only exists because the liberal-capitalist state that nominally controls the region allows it to. Even then the EZLN regions are still actual shit and have lower standards of living than Cartel hotbeds, it's not a good example of anarchism working.
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by West Leas Oros 2 » Wed Sep 02, 2020 3:20 pm
Conservative Republic Of Huang wrote:Washington Resistance Army wrote:
EZLN very bluntly only exists because the liberal-capitalist state that nominally controls the region allows it to. Even then the EZLN regions are still actual shit and have lower standards of living than Cartel hotbeds, it's not a good example of anarchism working.
Wow, what was one of the poorest regions in Mexico before EZLN still is pretty poor. What did you expect, skyscrapers in the Lacandan Jungle?
Speaking of cartels, the Zapatista areas have a remarkably low rate of crime and are free of the drug cartels.
Well, yes, it does exist because the Mexican government isn't that bothered by it. Is your metric for evaluating governments how big of a military-industrial complex they can/are willing to build?
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by Conservative Republic Of Huang » Wed Sep 02, 2020 3:21 pm
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:Washington Resistance Army wrote:
EZLN very bluntly only exists because the liberal-capitalist state that nominally controls the region allows it to. Even then the EZLN regions are still actual shit and have lower standards of living than Cartel hotbeds, it's not a good example of anarchism working.
Honestly, wanking about the Zapatistas is such a tired trope now. And to what extent are they even "anarchists"? Clearly they aren't living up to the utopian pipe dreams that anarchists think.
Also, when was the last time EZLN had any relevance in politics? If this is the best Anarchism has to offer, then you may as well give up.
by Washington Resistance Army » Wed Sep 02, 2020 3:22 pm
Conservative Republic Of Huang wrote:Washington Resistance Army wrote:
EZLN very bluntly only exists because the liberal-capitalist state that nominally controls the region allows it to. Even then the EZLN regions are still actual shit and have lower standards of living than Cartel hotbeds, it's not a good example of anarchism working.
Wow, what was one of the poorest regions in Mexico before EZLN still is pretty poor. What did you expect, skyscrapers in the Lacandan Jungle?
Conservative Republic Of Huang wrote:Is your metric for evaluating governments how big of a military-industrial complex they can/are willing to build?
by Northern Davincia » Wed Sep 02, 2020 3:25 pm
Conservative Republic Of Huang wrote:West Leas Oros 2 wrote:Honestly, wanking about the Zapatistas is such a tired trope now. And to what extent are they even "anarchists"? Clearly they aren't living up to the utopian pipe dreams that anarchists think.
Also, when was the last time EZLN had any relevance in politics? If this is the best Anarchism has to offer, then you may as well give up.
People seem to have this weird fetish for gatekeeping what anarchism is. Don't do it.
Unsurprisingly, a polity comprising a small section of the Lacandon Jungle is not a global superpower.
Is democracy bad because Nauru is democratic, and Nauru has zero political relevance?
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by Conservative Republic Of Huang » Wed Sep 02, 2020 3:25 pm
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:Conservative Republic Of Huang wrote:
Wow, what was one of the poorest regions in Mexico before EZLN still is pretty poor. What did you expect, skyscrapers in the Lacandan Jungle?
Speaking of cartels, the Zapatista areas have a remarkably low rate of crime and are free of the drug cartels.
Well, yes, it does exist because the Mexican government isn't that bothered by it. Is your metric for evaluating governments how big of a military-industrial complex they can/are willing to build?
Hard to have crime when there are no laws to begin with.
by West Leas Oros 2 » Wed Sep 02, 2020 3:33 pm
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by Diopolis » Wed Sep 02, 2020 3:34 pm
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:Conservative Republic Of Huang wrote:
Wow, what was one of the poorest regions in Mexico before EZLN still is pretty poor. What did you expect, skyscrapers in the Lacandan Jungle?
Speaking of cartels, the Zapatista areas have a remarkably low rate of crime and are free of the drug cartels.
Well, yes, it does exist because the Mexican government isn't that bothered by it. Is your metric for evaluating governments how big of a military-industrial complex they can/are willing to build?
Hard to have crime when there are no laws to begin with.
by Conservative Republic Of Huang » Wed Sep 02, 2020 3:37 pm
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Conservative Republic Of Huang wrote:
Wow, what was one of the poorest regions in Mexico before EZLN still is pretty poor. What did you expect, skyscrapers in the Lacandan Jungle?
When you can control a region for nearly 3 decades and it's still on average worse off than areas that are effectively warzones it's a very poor demonstration of your ideologies ability to function in the real world.Conservative Republic Of Huang wrote:Is your metric for evaluating governments how big of a military-industrial complex they can/are willing to build?
My metric for evaluating governments is how much they improve their nation and the lives of the people living within it. The EZLN is a pretty abject failure in that regard.
by West Leas Oros 2 » Wed Sep 02, 2020 3:38 pm
Conservative Republic Of Huang wrote:West Leas Oros 2 wrote:Honestly, wanking about the Zapatistas is such a tired trope now. And to what extent are they even "anarchists"? Clearly they aren't living up to the utopian pipe dreams that anarchists think.
Also, when was the last time EZLN had any relevance in politics? If this is the best Anarchism has to offer, then you may as well give up.
People seem to have this weird fetish for gatekeeping what anarchism is. Don't do it.
Unsurprisingly, a polity comprising a small section of the Lacandon Jungle is not a global superpower.
Is democracy bad because Nauru is democratic, and Nauru has zero political relevance?
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by Conservative Republic Of Huang » Wed Sep 02, 2020 3:42 pm
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:Conservative Republic Of Huang wrote:
People seem to have this weird fetish for gatekeeping what anarchism is. Don't do it.
Unsurprisingly, a polity comprising a small section of the Lacandon Jungle is not a global superpower.
Is democracy bad because Nauru is democratic, and Nauru has zero political relevance?
The anarchists seem to be the ones calling anything that doesn't live up to their expectation as "not REAL anarchism!".
Also, your comparison is comically weak. Democracy is practiced across the world, in nations both powerful and not. Anarchism exists only in some random region of nowhere and in the heads of LARPers and edgy 16 year olds. Democracy works and is a realistic philosophy. Anarchism is not.
West Leas Oros 2 wrote: I doubt they enforce them.
by Loben III » Wed Sep 02, 2020 3:45 pm
Galloism wrote:Ok guys, no one was trying to create an anarchistic society in Kenosha, nor move the entire town of Kenosha to Mexico. Thread topic is thataway.
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