Stylan wrote:yikes
mega yikes
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by Nevertopia » Wed Aug 26, 2020 9:25 pm
Stylan wrote:yikes
So the CCP won't let me be or let me be me so let me see, they tried to shut me down on CBC but it feels so empty without me.
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by Stylan » Wed Aug 26, 2020 9:25 pm
Socialist States of Ludistan wrote:Not only do I believe nothing you said was right, you also say that the way you think is the only right way to think. I can name a lot of bad people who thought that way, and no, a worker in a capitalist society is not a slave, the US just has an interesting way of going with capitalism. My honest opinion? Your idea is cringe, and the only people who would approve of it are edgy teenagers who know nothing about Stalin but praise him anyways.
by Socialist States of Ludistan » Wed Aug 26, 2020 9:25 pm
Cisairse wrote:Socialist States of Ludistan wrote:Not only do I believe nothing you said was right, you also say that the way you think is the only right way to think. I can name a lot of bad people who thought that way, and no, a worker in a capitalist society is not a slave, the US just has an interesting way of going with capitalism. My honest opinion? Your idea is cringe, and the only people who would approve of it are edgy teenagers who know nothing about Stalin but praise him anyways.
I'm not a teenager but okay
by Kustonia » Wed Aug 26, 2020 9:25 pm
Cisairse wrote:...For evidence of this see all of history.
by Socialist States of Ludistan » Wed Aug 26, 2020 9:26 pm
Stylan wrote:Socialist States of Ludistan wrote:Not only do I believe nothing you said was right, you also say that the way you think is the only right way to think. I can name a lot of bad people who thought that way, and no, a worker in a capitalist society is not a slave, the US just has an interesting way of going with capitalism. My honest opinion? Your idea is cringe, and the only people who would approve of it are edgy teenagers who know nothing about Stalin but praise him anyways.
I mean Bernie is like 100 and he likes Castro so
by Bombadil » Wed Aug 26, 2020 9:27 pm
by Cisairse » Wed Aug 26, 2020 9:27 pm
by Stylan » Wed Aug 26, 2020 9:28 pm
Bombadil wrote:Stylan wrote:I'm a tankie mate. I am not opposed to socialism.
That isn't socialism; we need a vanguard party, a brief transition state before going into post-scarcity full communism.
Sure, a good degree of government as community driven regulation and social services such as education and healthcare remain important. Essentially vested interests use 'freedom' and 'socialism' as wedge points to drive two things, lower regulation and lower taxes so they can make more profit - it doesn't need to be that way and it's creating a highly divisive population.
Grenartia wrote:Stylan wrote:I'm a tankie mate. I am not opposed to socialism.
That isn't socialism; we need a vanguard party, a brief transition state before going into post-scarcity full communism.
What happens when the "vanguard party" refuses to cede its grip on power to make room for actual socialism or communism, and the "brief transition state" becomes a totalitarian regime just as bad as the capitalist regimes it claims to oppose?
by Nevertopia » Wed Aug 26, 2020 9:28 pm
So the CCP won't let me be or let me be me so let me see, they tried to shut me down on CBC but it feels so empty without me.
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by Cisairse » Wed Aug 26, 2020 9:28 pm
by Socialist States of Ludistan » Wed Aug 26, 2020 9:29 pm
by Cisairse » Wed Aug 26, 2020 9:29 pm
Nevertopia wrote:communism has failed everytime its been tried.
by Cisairse » Wed Aug 26, 2020 9:29 pm
by Kustonia » Wed Aug 26, 2020 9:32 pm
Cisairse wrote:Kustonia wrote:
This is not an adequate defense. Your entire OP incorporates economics, and all of history is not materially based. History incorporates many components, and it's your job to provide specific examples.
History is literally materially based. Material conditions are the primary driver of history. If you would like a formal proof of this, see Vol. 1–3 of Capital.
by Socialist States of Ludistan » Wed Aug 26, 2020 9:32 pm
Nevertopia wrote:communism has failed everytime its been tried.
by Cisairse » Wed Aug 26, 2020 9:33 pm
Kustonia wrote:Cisairse wrote:History is literally materially based. Material conditions are the primary driver of history. If you would like a formal proof of this, see Vol. 1–3 of Capital.
I could easily give you a counterpiece for Das Kapital. You've made assertions and said to see "all of history." That doesn't tell me anything more about the points you've made.
by Kowani » Wed Aug 26, 2020 9:33 pm
by Bombadil » Wed Aug 26, 2020 9:33 pm
Nevertopia wrote:communism has failed everytime its been tried.
by Socialist States of Ludistan » Wed Aug 26, 2020 9:34 pm
by Cisairse » Wed Aug 26, 2020 9:34 pm
Socialist States of Ludistan wrote:Stylan wrote:Not really, the corporations who run this country don't like him.
Well, I’m not American, and I hope he’ll one day become president, but he has to stop labelling himself as a socialist. I mean, he isn’t gonna socialise production, so he isn’t a socialist, and he probably knows nothing about Fidel other than he was communist.
by Stylan » Wed Aug 26, 2020 9:35 pm
Cisairse wrote:Socialist States of Ludistan wrote:Well, I’m not American, and I hope he’ll one day become president, but he has to stop labelling himself as a socialist. I mean, he isn’t gonna socialise production, so he isn’t a socialist, and he probably knows nothing about Fidel other than he was communist.
Bernie will almost certainly die during the K*mala "administration"
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