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Postby Refuge Isle » Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:06 am

The Security Council;

Recalling that Ever-Wandering Souls (Also referred to as Souls) entered into the scene of regional warfare in the beginning of 2014, succumbing to the allure of glory and third-way virtue that was promised during the founding of The Eternal Knights.

Lamenting that, though The Eternal Knights were a shambles of strategic blunders, Souls' monumental work in recruitment, training, and foreign relations was surely all that held the organisation together. Such efforts delayed The Eternal Knights' demise beyond all of the Security Council's hopes.

Distressed by Souls' leadership over the Sicarius assassins as a member of the Dominus Sicarii, overseeing the attacks on over two hundred thirty regions, orchestrated without the aid of advanced technological resources, yet with no discernible handicap in frequency or ferocity. Included among the attacks:

  • The malicious interception of Tofuline's refounding, thereby displacing over one hundred eighty nations from their chosen homeland,
  • Military support of The Black Hawks's invasion of Canada, which ended that government's two-year reign while razing embassies with some of the greatest powers known at the time, and
  • The invasion of Islam, where Westerly Winds, under the control of Souls, infiltrated and seized the delegacy, ejecting nations over the span of a month from which the region never recovered.

Loathing Souls' migration to The Black Hawks in November of 2014, thereafter rapidly ascending its ranks to become a full member of their notorious leadership, The Council of Hawks, by July of the following year.

Noting that The Black Hawks, already once condemned, suffered an incredible second condemnation under Souls' leadership in March of 2017, three months after having been raised to the rank of General. As such a rank signifies the embodiment of The Black Hawks' ideals, may it be presumed that such ideals are portrayed by Souls' reprehensible history spearheading their conquests.

  • The North American Union, brutally attacked solely for its association to past defenders,
  • The Nations of Intelligence, assaulted for its acronym's unfortunate ability to suggest an entirely different organisation,
  • Global Federation, invaded to upend the homes of some of the world's most prominent writers and spokespeople at the time, and
  • The United Federation of Planets, clearly designed to demoralise the world's peacekeeping forces through that operation's success, despite its overt and conspicuous tactics.

Iterating that The Black Riders, who twice achieved censure in this chamber for their acts of ultraviolence, became exposed to counterattack when the Black Riders Commander was disassociated from known reality in early 2015. Although a coalition of disenfranchised natives captured and attempted to reform the region into a peaceful society, such attempts were ultimately undone by Souls' employment of Harenhime, which infiltrated the new government and sabotaged its designs, recapturing the region for raider causes once again, and denying The Black Riders any chance at salvation.

Anguished by the destruction of Heroes Rise, a consequential member of the military alliance ORCA, reduced to an empty wasteland in 2016 by Souls' command over The Black Hawks' own coalition, consisting of eighteen armies across seven realms. ORCA was forever stained by this invasion, as it demonstrated it was unable to protect its own members, leading to its disintegration entirely.

Decrying that in the ruthless pursuit of regional destruction, Souls has purged other lands of their native inhabitants on a scale that far exceeds the intervention capabilities of the Security Council. The arrogance of this nation's government extends even to its long tradition of concocting battlefield reports of such atrocities in blisteringly theatrical styles, as if to captivate victims with the fanciful tales of their own demise.

However disavowing that Souls made a mockery of this esteemed body in March of 2018, as its control over Harenhime drove that nation to try confusing World Assembly members with a circular-logic based condemnation. Even then, that resolution was merely meant to serve as distraction, while Harenhime brutally decimated the native peoples of Iran.

Resolving that so long as Souls operates with impunity, the natives of the world cannot know peace within their own homes, for the actions taken by this nation have left a trail of deceit and destruction, well beyond that which could ever be redeemed.

Hereby condemns Ever-Wandering Souls.

The Security Council;

Recalling that Ever-Wandering Souls (Also referred to as Souls) entered into the scene of regional warfare in the beginning of 2014, succumbing to the allure of glory and third-way virtue that was promised during the founding of The Eternal Knights.

Lamenting that, though The Eternal Knights were a shambles of strategic blunders, Souls' monumental work in recruitment, training, and foreign relations was surely all that held the organisation together. Such efforts delayed The Eternal Knights' demise beyond all of the Security Council's hopes.

Distressed by Ever-Wandering Souls' leadership over the Sicarius assassins as a member of the Dominus Sicarii, overseeing the attacks on over two hundred thirty regions, orchestrated without the aid of advanced technological resources, yet with no discernible handicap in frequency or ferocity. Included among the victims:

  • The malicious interception of Tofuline's refounding, thereby displacing over one hundred eighty nations from their chosen homeland,
  • Military support of The Black Hawks's invasion of Canada, which ended that government's two-year reign while razing embassies with some of the greatest powers known at the time, and
  • The invasion of Islam, where Westerly Winds, under the control of Souls, infiltrated and seized the delegacy, ejecting nations over the span of a month from which the region never recovered.

Vilifying Ever-Wandering Souls' migration to The Black Hawks in November of 2014, thereafter rapidly ascending its ranks to become a full member of their notorious leadership, The Council of Hawks, by July of the following year.

Noting that The Black Hawks, already once condemned, suffered an incredible second condemnation under Souls' leadership in March of 2017, three months after having been raised to the rank of General. As such a rank signifies the embodiment of The Black Hawks' ideals, may it be presumed that such ideals are portrayed by Souls' reprehensible history spearheading their conquests:

  • The North American Union, brutally attacked for its association to past defenders and defender values,
  • The Nations of Intelligence, assaulted for its acronym's unfortunate ability to suggest an entirely different organisation,
  • Global Federation, invaded solely to upend the homes of some of the world's most prominent writers and spokespeople at the time, and
  • The United Federation of Planets, which was clearly designed to demoralise the world's peacekeeping forces through that operation's success, despite its overt and conspicuous tactics.

Anguished by the destruction of Heroes Rise, a consequential member of the military alliance ORCA, reduced to an empty wasteland in 2016 by Ever-Wandering Souls' command over The Black Hawks' own coalition, comprised of eighteen armies across seven realms. As a result of the fall, ORCA was forever stained by the inability to protect its own members, ultimately leading to its disintegration entirely.

Loathing that Souls struck again two years later commanding the assault on Westphalia, then the second largest member of the defender group SWORD. As the region was utterly vanquished by Souls' leadership over one hundred twenty armies, even miraculous powers having revived its defences could only delay Westphalia from being permanently annihilated and reduced to the trophy that it remains to this day.

Aware that in the ruthless pursuit of regional destruction, Ever-Wandering Souls has callously and permanently purged other lands of their native inhabitants on a scale that far exceeds the intervention capabilities of the Security Council. The arrogance of this nation's government extends even to a long tradition of concocting battlefield reports of such atrocities in blisteringly theatrical styles, as if to captivate victims with the fanciful tales of their own demise.

Iterating that The Black Riders, who twice achieved censure in this Chamber by righteous condemnation for acts of ultraviolence, became exposed to counterattack when their commander disassociated from known reality in early 2015, allowing a coalition of disenfranchised natives to capture and attempt to reform the region into a member of peaceful society. Such efforts were ultimately undone by Ever-Wandering Souls' employment of Harenhime, which infiltrated the new government and sabotaged its designs, recapturing the region for raider causes once again, and denying The Black Riders any chance at salvation.

Disavowing that Harenhime, still controlled by the same forces, could have made a mockery of this esteemed body during its return to the floor in March of 2018. That government's decision to taunt the Chamber with a circular-logic based condemnation was merely meant to serve as a distraction, as it brutally decimated the native peoples of Iran.

Resolving that so long as Ever-Wandering Souls operates with impunity, the natives of the world cannot know peace within their own homes, for the actions taken by this nation have left a trail of deceit and destruction, well beyond that which could ever be redeemed.

Hereby condemns Ever-Wandering Souls.

The Security Council;

Recalling that Ever-Wandering Souls (Also referred to as Souls) entered into the scene of regional warfare in the beginning of 2014, succumbing to the allure of glory and third-way virtue that was promised during the founding of The Eternal Knights.

Lamenting that, though The Eternal Knights were a shambles of strategic blunders, Souls was able recruit and train new members while demonstrating relentless charisma in public relations, defending an indefensible organisation. Such efforts delayed The Eternal Knights' demise beyond all of the Security Council's hopes.

Distressed by Ever-Wandering Souls' leadership over the Sicarius assassins as a member of the Dominus Sicarii, which oversaw the hostile takeovers of no less than two hundred thirty regions that do not escape the memory of this Council, not the least of which include:

  • The malicious interception of Tofuline's refounding, thereby displacing over one hundred eighty nations from their chosen homeland,
  • Military support of The Black Hawks's invasion of Canada, which ended that government's two-year reign while callously razing embassies with some of the greatest powers known at the time, and
  • The invasion of Islam, where Westerly Winds, under the control of Souls, infiltrated and seized the delegacy, ejecting nations over the span of a month from which the region never recovered.

Vilifying Ever-Wandering Souls' migration to The Black Hawks in November of 2014, thereafter rapidly ascending its ranks to become a full member of their notorious leadership, The Council of Hawks, by July of the following year.

Noting that The Black Hawks, suffered an incredible second condemnation under Ever-Wandering Souls' leadership in March of 2017, no less than three months before having been raised to the rank of General. As such a rank signifies the embodiment of The Black Hawks' ideals, may it be presumed that such ideals are portrayed by Souls' reprehensible history spearheading their conquests:

  • The North American Union and Heroes Rise, brutally attacked for their association to past defenders and defender values,
  • The Nations of Intelligence, assaulted for its acronym's unfortunate ability to suggest an entirely different organisation,
  • Global Federation, invaded solely to upend the homes of some of the world's most prominent writers and spokespeople at the time,
  • Westphalia, then the second largest member of the defender group SWORD, vanquished and still subjected to remain a trophy to this day, and
  • The United Federation of Planets, which was clearly designed to demoralise the world's peacekeeping forces through that operation's success, despite its overt and conspicuous tactics.

Exhausted by the volume of regions Ever-Wandering Souls has callously and permanently purged of their native inhabitants in the ruthless pursuit of regional destruction, for the number of these now desolate wastelands far exceeds the intervention abilities of the World Assembly.

Disgusted by the arrogance of this nation's government through its long tradition of producing battlefield reports of such atrocities in blisteringly theatrical presentation, as if to captivate helpless natives with the fanciful tales of their own demise.

Dismayed by Ever-Wandering Souls' cultural conquest of the annual defender gathering "FRAVision", which that nation ruthlessly rebranded as "RaiderVision". These events now serve as nothing more than an instrument of indoctrination, where raiders may chant about their dark ways, while defender entrants will forever be relegated to second place in spite of their musical prowess.

Iterating that The Black Riders, who twice achieved censure in this chamber by righteous condemnation for their acts of ultraviolence, became exposed to counter attack after the disassociation of the Black Riders Commander from known reality. A coalition of disenfranchised natives from the regions of the world successfully defeated The Black Riders' remnant brigades in April of 2015, and attempted to transform the region into a functioning member of polite society.

Infuriated that such reform attempts were only to be undone by Ever-Wandering Souls' employment of Harenhime, which infiltrated the new government and sabotaged its designs, recapturing the region for raider causes once again, and denying The Black Riders any chance at salvation.

Indignant at the manipulation that Ever-Wandering Souls invoked upon the World Assembly, persuading member states to vote for that nation's repeal of the well-deserved commendation of Texas, which became SC#231.

However, disavowing that Harenhime, still under the control of the same government, could have ever succeeded in making a mockery of the Security Council during its return to the floor in March of 2018. Its failed attempt to taunt this esteemed body with a circular-logic based resolution shall, instead, be attributed to the stresses on its administration, indisposed at the time, brutally decimating the native peoples of Iran.

Resolving that so long as Ever-Wandering Souls operates with impunity, the natives of the world cannot know peace within their own homes, for the actions taken by this nation have left a trail of deceit and destruction, well beyond that which could ever be redeemed.

Hereby condemns Ever-Wandering Souls.

Hello!

I began working on this draft around the start of June and, after around 125 hours of research and drafting, here's the result of some of those findings.

I'm aware that Souls is a controversial player who has a very interesting history in this game and inspires some charged feelings. Regardless of that, his focus has been on doing big projects and operations that aim to disrupt NationStates' players and the status quo as much as possible. Where, for the most part, raiding has recently moved towards chasing after the biggest tag numbers, most of Souls' history is rooted in high-profile occupations. These operations turned up in unexpected places in a big way, with massive RP textwalls, and forced people to figure out a way of dealing with things.

Given that Souls is now retired from Council at The Black Hawks and has only been on 2-3 raids in the last year, it may be worth spending a bit to reflect on the highlights of his career, playing the villain and stirring up trouble, before he is completely moved on from the game. As I have been obsessively revising this over the last two months, I expect that I will continue to do so for some time.
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Postby A Bloodred Moon » Sun Aug 23, 2020 10:58 am

Refuge Isle wrote:The Security Council;

Recalling that Ever-Wandering Souls (Also referred to as Souls) entered into the scene of regional warfare in the beginning of 2014, succumbing to the allure of glory and third-way virtue that was promised during the founding of The Eternal Knights.

Okay, reasonable enough, though it is worded a bit oddly. Specifically the third-way virtue part. I assume it refers to the Eternal Knights' unique position in between larger raiding and defending?

Lamenting that, though The Eternal Knights were a shambles of strategic blunders, Souls was able recruit and train new members while demonstrating relentless charisma in public relations, defending an indefensible organisation. Such efforts delayed The Eternal Knights' demise beyond all of the Security Council's hopes.

Is this... condemnable? I am not sure if the Security Council ever much cared for the Eternal Knights, and I know little of their accomplishments. Perhaps expand on their condemnable deeds? Simply saying "Souls led x, and x sucked, so it is condemnable" doesn't quite explain why it's condemnable. If it was filled with blunders and issues, why is Souls' work there notable?

Distressed by Ever-Wandering Souls' leadership over the Sicarius assassins as a member of the Dominus Sicarii, which oversaw the hostile takeovers of no less than two hundred thirty regions that do not escape the memory of this Council, not the least of which include:

  • The malicious interception of Tofuline's refounding, thereby displacing over one hundred eighty nations from their chosen homeland,
  • Military support of The Black Hawks's invasion of Canada, which ended that government's two-year reign while callously razing embassies with some of the greatest powers known at the time, and
  • The invasion of Islam, where Westerly Winds, under the control of Souls, infiltrated and seized the delegacy, ejecting nations over the span of a month from which the region never recovered.

Bolded mine - This confused me slightly. 230 occupations? 230 tags, which most certainly escape the SC's memory? Not a bad sentence, to be clear, I'm simply asking for a bit of clarification.

As for Canada, did Souls, or Sicarius, play a big part in that particular raid? Also, if I do recall correctly, the raid was initially carried out by the United Imperial Armed Forces, or am I thinking of a different raid?

Noting that The Black Hawks, suffered an incredible second condemnation under Ever-Wandering Souls' leadership in March of 2017, no less than three months before having been raised to the rank of General. As such a rank signifies the embodiment of The Black Hawks' ideals, may it be presumed that such ideals are portrayed by Souls' reprehensible history spearheading their conquests:

  • The North American Union and Heroes Rise, brutally attacked for their association to past defenders and defender values,
  • The Nations of Intelligence, assaulted for its acronym's unfortunate ability to suggest an entirely different organisation,
  • Global Federation, invaded solely to upend the homes of some of the world's most prominent writers and spokespeople at the time,
  • Westphalia, then the second largest member of the defender group SWORD, vanquished and still subjected to remain a trophy to this day, and
  • The United Federation of Planets, which was clearly designed to demoralise the world's peacekeeping forces through that operation's success, despite its overt and conspicuous tactics.

If I'm correct, Heroes Rise was destroyed during that operation, perhaps you could mention that.

Overall, I think some of these could be grouped together, while selecting the truly condemnable/destructive ones (Heroes Rise, Westphalia), and expand on Souls' role in those operations.

Infuriated that such reform attempts were only to be undone by Ever-Wandering Souls' employment of Harenhime, which infiltrated the new government and sabotaged its designs, recapturing the region for raider causes once again, and denying The Black Riders any chance at salvation.

I think this could be worded better. Perhaps something along the lines of "...by Harenhime, a nation controlled by Ever-Wandering Souls, through its infiltration of the new government and sabotage of its designs..."?

Dismayed by Ever-Wandering Souls' cultural conquest of the annual defender gathering "FRAVision", which that nation ruthlessly rebranded as "RaiderVision". These events now serve as nothing more than an instrument of indoctrination, where raiders may chant about their dark ways, while defender entrants will forever be relegated to second place in spite of their musical prowess.

Indignant at the manipulation that Ever-Wandering Souls invoked upon the World Assembly, persuading member states to vote for that nation's repeal of the well-deserved commendation of Texas, which became SC#231.

Okay, this is the only part I think I disagree with the draft on so far. I understand you wish to include all of Souls' notable actions, but I feel like these acts aren't really condemnable, and that sticking to his condemnable raider actions would perhaps be better. There's plenty of those.

However, disavowing that Harenhime, still under the control of the same government, could have ever succeeded in making a mockery of the Security Council during its return to the floor in March of 2018. Its failed attempt to taunt this esteemed body with a circular-logic based resolution shall, instead, be attributed to the stresses on its administration, indisposed at the time, brutally decimating the native peoples of Iran.

Does this refer to Souls' joke attempt to commend himself? Because I have no idea what this refers to otherwise.

Hereby condemns Ever-Wandering Souls.

Good luck with this. Overall, I'd support a condemnation of Souls - he has most certainly done more than enough - and this draft looks decent to me.
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Postby Refuge Isle » Sun Aug 23, 2020 12:18 pm

A Bloodred Moon wrote:
Refuge Isle wrote:The Security Council;

Recalling that Ever-Wandering Souls (Also referred to as Souls) entered into the scene of regional warfare in the beginning of 2014, succumbing to the allure of glory and third-way virtue that was promised during the founding of The Eternal Knights.

Okay, reasonable enough, though it is worded a bit oddly. Specifically the third-way virtue part. I assume it refers to the Eternal Knights' unique position in between larger raiding and defending?

That is, indeed, what it is getting at. That position was what got Souls into raiding, as he wasn't necessarily onboard with the r/d dynamic and leaned more d at the time after TSP.

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Lamenting that, though The Eternal Knights were a shambles of strategic blunders, Souls was able recruit and train new members while demonstrating relentless charisma in public relations, defending an indefensible organisation. Such efforts delayed The Eternal Knights' demise beyond all of the Security Council's hopes.

Is this... condemnable? I am not sure if the Security Council ever much cared for the Eternal Knights, and I know little of their accomplishments. Perhaps expand on their condemnable deeds? Simply saying "Souls led x, and x sucked, so it is condemnable" doesn't quite explain why it's condemnable. If it was filled with blunders and issues, why is Souls' work there notable?


This may be a question that answers itself. Although TEK was hellishly unpopular and not regarded as an overwhelming threat, functionally the only thing appearing to hold it together was Souls' relative competence and willingness to throw tons of work into it. The point of me including this is mostly to give a detailed history of Souls' career in raiding. Whereas content in TEK and Sicarius are not as flashy as the substantially longer time in TBH, I think it may be worth mentioning for the purposes of the character arc.

Distressed by Ever-Wandering Souls' leadership over the Sicarius assassins as a member of the Dominus Sicarii, which oversaw the hostile takeovers of no less than two hundred thirty regions that do not escape the memory of this Council, not the least of which include:

  • The malicious interception of Tofuline's refounding, thereby displacing over one hundred eighty nations from their chosen homeland,
  • Military support of The Black Hawks's invasion of Canada, which ended that government's two-year reign while callously razing embassies with some of the greatest powers known at the time, and
  • The invasion of Islam, where Westerly Winds, under the control of Souls, infiltrated and seized the delegacy, ejecting nations over the span of a month from which the region never recovered.

Bolded mine - This confused me slightly. 230 occupations? 230 tags, which most certainly escape the SC's memory? Not a bad sentence, to be clear, I'm simply asking for a bit of clarification.

Hits might be a better way of looking at it, since the number includes both. Sicarius was heavy on documenting their activities, much more so than TBH was upon its return or even really the year after. Mostly I included this bit because Sicarius was very proud of being able to pull decent tag numbers relative to 2014 without any of the tools that would be used today.

As for Canada, did Souls, or Sicarius, play a big part in that particular raid? Also, if I do recall correctly, the raid was initially carried out by the United Imperial Armed Forces, or am I thinking of a different raid?

Souls and The Sapientia were part of the jump in that raid which basically revived TBH from the dead. Perhaps it doesn't carry as much weight as the rest, but I thought to include it because it was one of arguably four substantial events for Sicarius.

Overall, I think some of these could be grouped together, while selecting the truly condemnable/destructive ones (Heroes Rise, Westphalia), and expand on Souls' role in those operations.

The occupations listed are the ones that Souls either pointed or directly put together. I'm not sure there's much more that can be added to that which wouldn't feel same-y. The "exhausted" clause is meant to be a general note on these and other occupations wherein Souls "does the thing that raiders do". I agree that there's room for improvement with the organisation, I don't think I found much data on what ended up happening to Heroes Rise (a lot of these depended on GP reports, fragmented remnant regional history records, NSHistory listings, and wayback snapshots and lord help me if there weren't wayback snapshots for dead regions), but I'll look at that one again.

Dismayed by Ever-Wandering Souls' cultural conquest of the annual defender gathering "FRAVision", which that nation ruthlessly rebranded as "RaiderVision". These events now serve as nothing more than an instrument of indoctrination, where raiders may chant about their dark ways, while defender entrants will forever be relegated to second place in spite of their musical prowess.

Indignant at the manipulation that Ever-Wandering Souls invoked upon the World Assembly, persuading member states to vote for that nation's repeal of the well-deserved commendation of Texas, which became SC#231.

Okay, this is the only part I think I disagree with the draft on so far. I understand you wish to include all of Souls' notable actions, but I feel like these acts aren't really condemnable, and that sticking to his condemnable raider actions would perhaps be better. There's plenty of those.

I understand, especially after COE, there may be a shift in sentiment for community-building activities not being framed in terms of whether it's r/d, but I'm still interested in including this argument with the angle that it has. There's a lot of content in Souls' history which I think has brought a lot of value to NS as a whole, which may include things like the API telegram guide and the commendation of Europeia. I don't think there's any possible way to frame those so that they can be viewed in a villain's light, but for items here, I think I make a case and not particularly desperately so. RaiderVision, especially after this year which had the strongest turnout ever, was a boon to include alongside RaiderCon as a thing that solidifies and promotes raider culture and its goals.

Texas, while not an overly strong argument on it's own, would not be the first time that a commendation repeal was used as an argument in a condemnation. Mostly is meant to introduce and transition to the next clause. I'm not overly against reworking that section, however.

However, disavowing that Harenhime, still under the control of the same government, could have ever succeeded in making a mockery of the Security Council during its return to the floor in March of 2018. Its failed attempt to taunt this esteemed body with a circular-logic based resolution shall, instead, be attributed to the stresses on its administration, indisposed at the time, brutally decimating the native peoples of Iran.

Does this refer to Souls' joke attempt to commend himself? Because I have no idea what this refers to otherwise.

It does indeed refer to that resolution which was occurring at the same time as Iran's occupation. Presumably to add to the troll of the raid.

Good luck with this. Overall, I'd support a condemnation of Souls - he has most certainly done more than enough - and this draft looks decent to me.

Thanks, the last time I did this much work on a document was a term paper on the cultural history of the Arabian Peninsula :blush:

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Postby Daytime to Night » Sun Aug 23, 2020 12:37 pm

This is a very detailed first draft and you have clearly put a lot of research into this, so good work there.

I have a few more general points that I think need consideration before I engage in any specifics:

- Pace/detail: this proposal is quite difficult to wrap your head around even from the viewpoint of someone who knows the background and references to the events stated. I think the proposal would greatly benefit from more of an introduction - setting out the principle reasons for the condemnation (most successful proposals have these). It is a very dense proposal and you have clearly tried to make it as eloquent as possible, but it needs to be accessible and understandable for all readers who might be voting on it too.

A lot of the weight could be lost from changing lines like "not the least of which include" to simply "include" and "the greatest powers known at the time" to "the greatest world powers", for example.

- Rule 4: I think you need to reconsider some of your descriptors and other word choices to reflect that you are condemning a nation rather than a person. You get it right in most places but not in others. Can a nation recruit and train new members and demonstrate 'charisma'? Similarly, you refer to regions as 'organisations' and 'groups' in some places that would be better described as international alliances.

It would be worth going through and considering more appropriate ways to describe some of these achievements - "rising to prominence as a leading power" in TBH rather than "ascending its ranks to become a full member of their notorious leadership", for example.

- Direct relevance: there is quite a large paragraph about the Black Riders that contains no reference to Souls at all. The relevance of that information needs to be clear earlier and it should probably be condensed if possible.

- FRAVision: the wording of this paragraph isn't going to go down well. Treating it as an achievement of Souls to wrestle it from defenders is a slap in the face to Wop's willingness to let TBH take over the reigns of the event in the first place and the lowkey troll about relegating defender entrants to second place will likely fast track that into being reversed.

I'll finish with the same advice I give a lot of people. Only about 5% of the World Assembly nations might read this will have any idea what most of these references mean. You need to give all readers clarity early on about who this nation is and the primary reason for condemning them in simple terms. You need to make sure the specifics of each clause are clear, and introduce those early in the paragraph. If you need to explain it in this topic thread, then you probably need to revise the clause.
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Postby Refuge Isle » Sun Aug 23, 2020 1:10 pm

Daytime to Night wrote:- Rule 4: I think you need to reconsider some of your descriptors and other word choices to reflect that you are condemning a nation rather than a person. You get it right in most places but not in others. Can a nation recruit and train new members and demonstrate 'charisma'? Similarly, you refer to regions as 'organisations' and 'groups' in some places that would be better described as international alliances.

It would be worth going through and considering more appropriate ways to describe some of these achievements - "rising to prominence as a leading power" in TBH rather than "ascending its ranks to become a full member of their notorious leadership", for example.

As this comment implies that the content is illegal, I'm obliged to point out that previous resolutions mention ranks directly. The most relevant I can think of at the moment was Koth's condemnation (2017) "where Koth advanced to the superior officer rank of Colonel,"

In the last year there have been 12ish references to a region's military as an "org", used in the manner which you are describing, including NES, Atlantic, Benevolent Thomas, Gatesville, and Kuriko.
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Postby A Bloodred Moon » Sun Aug 23, 2020 1:18 pm

Refuge Isle wrote:This may be a question that answers itself. Although TEK was hellishly unpopular and not regarded as an overwhelming threat, functionally the only thing appearing to hold it together was Souls' relative competence and willingness to throw tons of work into it. The point of me including this is mostly to give a detailed history of Souls' career in raiding. Whereas content in TEK and Sicarius are not as flashy as the substantially longer time in TBH, I think it may be worth mentioning for the purposes of the character arc.

I agree that you should definitely include it, but I feel like it could be reworded to express that better. Examples of Souls’ deeds within the organisation could help.

Hits might be a better way of looking at it, since the number includes both. Sicarius was heavy on documenting their activities, much more so than TBH was upon its return or even really the year after. Mostly I included this bit because Sicarius was very proud of being able to pull decent tag numbers relative to 2014 without any of the tools that would be used today.

Ah, thanks for the clarification. The “escape the memory of the SC” just throws me off a bit.

Souls and The Sapientia were part of the jump in that raid which basically revived TBH from the dead. Perhaps it doesn't carry as much weight as the rest, but I thought to include it because it was one of arguably four substantial events for Sicarius.

First, it was apparently indeed a joint UIAF-TBH operation, that explains why I was thinking it was the UIAF. Secondly, you mention 4 notable events, yet list three. Perhaps cut Canada, as Souls and Sicarius’ role was rather minor, and list the fourth?

The occupations listed are the ones that Souls either pointed or directly put together. I'm not sure there's much more that can be added to that which wouldn't feel same-y. The "exhausted" clause is meant to be a general note on these and other occupations wherein Souls "does the thing that raiders do". I agree that there's room for improvement with the organisation, I don't think I found much data on what ended up happening to Heroes Rise (a lot of these depended on GP reports, fragmented remnant regional history records, NSHistory listings, and wayback snapshots and lord help me if there weren't wayback snapshots for dead regions), but I'll look at that one again.

If I recall, there’s several notes on Heroes Rise in TBH’s GP thread - an initial report, several comments on the report and the raid which include semi-relevant information, and Souls’ comments in hindsight.

What I meant more was that the others would be mentioned by name, whereas Westphalia and Heroes Rise (from what I know, the most notable and destructive of the ones mentioned) could be expanded upon, and detail Souls’ role within both.

I understand, especially after COE, there may be a shift in sentiment for community-building activities not being framed in terms of whether it's r/d, but I'm still interested in including this argument with the angle that it has. There's a lot of content in Souls' history which I think has brought a lot of value to NS as a whole, which may include things like the API telegram guide and the commendation of Europeia. I don't think there's any possible way to frame those so that they can be viewed in a villain's light, but for items here, I think I make a case and not particularly desperately so. RaiderVision, especially after this year which had the strongest turnout ever, was a boon to include alongside RaiderCon as a thing that solidifies and promotes raider culture and its goals.

Still doesn’t read very condemnable to me, but as you will.

Texas, while not an overly strong argument on it's own, would not be the first time that a commendation repeal was used as an argument in a condemnation. Mostly is meant to introduce and transition to the next clause. I'm not overly against reworking that section, however.

Eh. It reads more like adding whichever of Souls’ many actions you can frame as condemnable, which I don’t think is necessary - you don’t need to add everything he’s done (we’d be here for a long while of that were the case), just focus on the most notable and condemnable things. A repeal which the WA passed doesn’t fit that category, in my opinion.

It does indeed refer to that resolution which was occurring at the same time as Iran's occupation. Presumably to add to the troll of the raid.

Okay, that wasn’t really clear at all, I just guessed because it’s the only thing that came to mind that fit the description. Perhaps rework that bit to make it clearer? That, or nobody else has this problem and I’m just slow :p
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A Bloodred Moon wrote:Ah, thanks for the clarification. The “escape the memory of the SC” just throws me off a bit.

I'll rework that part to be more clear/concise, or possibly drop it.

Souls and The Sapientia were part of the jump in that raid which basically revived TBH from the dead. Perhaps it doesn't carry as much weight as the rest, but I thought to include it because it was one of arguably four substantial events for Sicarius.

First, it was apparently indeed a joint UIAF-TBH operation, that explains why I was thinking it was the UIAF. Secondly, you mention 4 notable events, yet list three. Perhaps cut Canada, as Souls and Sicarius’ role was rather minor, and list the fourth?

The other is Sicarius having refounded FREE REYNOLDS, it was treated as a very proud moment for them in the GP thread, but it's not clear to me how relevant that actually was either then or now.

If I recall, there’s several notes on Heroes Rise in TBH’s GP thread - an initial report, several comments on the report and the raid which include semi-relevant information, and Souls’ comments in hindsight.

What I meant more was that the others would be mentioned by name, whereas Westphalia and Heroes Rise (from what I know, the most notable and destructive of the ones mentioned) could be expanded upon, and detail Souls’ role within both.
Eh. It reads more like adding whichever of Souls’ many actions you can frame as condemnable, which I don’t think is necessary - you don’t need to add everything he’s done (we’d be here for a long while of that were the case), just focus on the most notable and condemnable things. A repeal which the WA passed doesn’t fit that category, in my opinion.
Okay, that wasn’t really clear at all, I just guessed because it’s the only thing that came to mind that fit the description. Perhaps rework that bit to make it clearer? That, or nobody else has this problem and I’m just slow :p

I understand. I'll rework these sections, thanks for the feedback.

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Postby Daytime to Night » Mon Aug 24, 2020 6:05 am

Refuge Isle wrote:As this comment implies that the content is illegal, I'm obliged to point out that previous resolutions mention ranks directly. The most relevant I can think of at the moment was Koth's condemnation (2017) "where Koth advanced to the superior officer rank of Colonel,"

In the last year there have been 12ish references to a region's military as an "org", used in the manner which you are describing, including NES, Atlantic, Benevolent Thomas, Gatesville, and Kuriko.


No, I'm trying to help you have a proposal that reads well and makes logical sense. Just because something is legal doesn't make it good or worth repeating. As you have intentionally sought to describe some aspects in a more IC sense (when they don't necessarily need to be) the references to the nation having charisma et al are more jarring.
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Postby Refuge Isle » Mon Aug 24, 2020 12:03 pm

Made some revisions to TEK, so see how you feel about that, Jo. I don't super want it to take up air time more than the 60ish words it is, partly because it's difficult to give any specifics on a six years dead org that used their thread for arguing they were going to do things more than documentation that they did, but you get an understanding of the dynamic across the cursed threads they had.

Changed Sicarius to focus more on not having TBR tools but pushing good tag numbers regardless. No longer has memory wording.

Dropped Texas

I expanded Westphalia slightly, not sure it should get its own section though. Where Westphalia (2018) was notable for its large piler numbers (now included), it wasn't locked and refounded until Westphalia (2019) which was not triggered or pointed by him. I'll write Heroes Rise as its own thing, but I can't come up with a way to do it at the moment, so it's dropped and put back into my doc notes for now.

Daytime to Night wrote:No, I'm trying to help you have a proposal that reads well and makes logical sense. Just because something is legal doesn't make it good or worth repeating. As you have intentionally sought to describe some aspects in a more IC sense (when they don't necessarily need to be) the references to the nation having charisma et al are more jarring.

It was just odd that this was submitted under the bolded heading of "Rule 4", if you did not mean to state that it violated rule 4. Mostly the wording that I chose was to make things fun for myself to write instead of adhering to a strict regimen to keep things RP'd.

"Charisma" has been retooled to "foreign relations" since that was a sticking point. I'm leaving recruitment and training because it's easy for me to see how an irl military would train foreign soldiers in the case that their government is unequipped to.

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Postby A Bloodred Moon » Mon Aug 24, 2020 1:10 pm

Minor correction, Westphalia 1.0 was purged and locked, but Unknown allowed the natives time to save their RMB before they refounded, and the founder came back during that time. I’ll give some more feedback later on.
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Support in principle, poke me repeatedly on Discord if I haven't posted further thoughts in a few days (because I probably have some).
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Postby Refuge Isle » Wed Aug 26, 2020 4:07 pm

Put up another batch of updates, several wording tweaks, list order and grammar fixes.

Westphalia and Heroes Rise have their own sections.

Moved RaiderVision off the draft and back into my notes doc.

The section on region destruction has been merged with raid report RPing because they looked insubstantial on their own.

Made some mild language improvements regarding the jab about Iran.

Now to see how much I hate it in a few days :lol:

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I am now opposed to this due to the Black Hawks 'delegate toppling' at the last update to try and stop proposals it simply doesn't like going to a vote (Repeal Evil Wolf).

If TBH won't respect the democratic processes of this Security Council then we shouldn't respect its people by giving them badges of any kind. The Black Hawks do not have a right to single-handedly determine the matters that this Council wishes to vote on by force.
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Daytime to Night wrote:I am now opposed to this due to the Black Hawks 'delegate toppling' at the last update to try and stop proposals it simply doesn't like going to a vote (Repeal Evil Wolf).

If TBH won't respect the democratic processes of this Security Council then we shouldn't respect its people by giving them badges of any kind. The Black Hawks do not have a right to single-handedly determine the matters that this Council wishes to vote on by force.


Yeah, we should punish them with a condemnation or something. Let's start with Souls.
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Postby Refuge Isle » Tue Sep 01, 2020 9:31 am

Happy September

Additional language improvements made.

Per advice, merged the two TBR segments together so it's less of a chonker.

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I don’t think The Eternal Knights were a shambles of strategic blunders.
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Postby Tinhampton » Tue Sep 01, 2020 9:46 am

Refuge Isle wrote:Ever-Wandering Souls (Also referred to as Souls)... Souls' monumental work... Ever-Wandering Souls... Ever-Wandering Souls' migration to The Black Hawks... Souls' leadership... Souls' reprehensible history... Ever-Wandering Souls' command over The Black Hawks' own coalition... Souls struck again two years later... Souls' influence over one hundred twenty supporters... Ever-Wandering Souls... Ever-Wandering Souls' employment of Harenhime... Souls' influence

Above quote abridged by myself. Please be consistent with the shortenings you use throughout your draft - are you going to be referring to "Souls" or "Ever-Wandering Souls" throughout? :P
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Postby Refuge Isle » Tue Sep 01, 2020 9:53 am

Tinhampton wrote:
Refuge Isle wrote:Ever-Wandering Souls (Also referred to as Souls)... Souls' monumental work... Ever-Wandering Souls... Ever-Wandering Souls' migration to The Black Hawks... Souls' leadership... Souls' reprehensible history... Ever-Wandering Souls' command over The Black Hawks' own coalition... Souls struck again two years later... Souls' influence over one hundred twenty supporters... Ever-Wandering Souls... Ever-Wandering Souls' employment of Harenhime... Souls' influence

Above quote abridged by myself. Please be consistent with the shortenings you use throughout your draft - are you going to be referring to "Souls" or "Ever-Wandering Souls" throughout? :P

Good idea, now that I think about it.

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Postby RiderSyl » Tue Sep 01, 2020 11:16 am

Fauxia wrote:I don’t think The Eternal Knights were a shambles of strategic blunders.

well, they were
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Postby Lord Dominator » Tue Sep 01, 2020 11:17 am

RiderSyl wrote:
Fauxia wrote:I don’t think The Eternal Knights were a shambles of strategic blunders.

well, they were

Their thread attests to as much

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Lord Dominator wrote:
RiderSyl wrote:well, they were

Their thread attests to as much

the player in charge of TEK's opsec, Festavo, was leaking me classified info for most of 2014

he wasn't even intentionally trying to ruin TEK, he just didn't know how to keep his mouth shut

ironically he ended up purging several players who were actually the core activity of the region. TEK's founder thought they were the ones leaking :lol:
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Postby Refuge Isle » Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:19 pm

RiderSyl wrote:
Fauxia wrote:I don’t think The Eternal Knights were a shambles of strategic blunders.

well, they were

Indeed, aside from exporting players to better orgs, I could not locate much of anything in the way of achievements through the absolute slough of their gp threads, which has made it a little difficult to write about :p

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Postby Fauxia » Tue Sep 01, 2020 4:40 pm

No, they were a shamble of strategic blunders.
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Postby Refuge Isle » Wed Sep 09, 2020 8:19 pm

I've been continuing to work on this a little more every day or two, and I think I've gotten the language to a place where I'm happy with it. If there aren't any additional content suggestions, I may look to submit this within the next week or so.

Edit: and it's in. In the final version, Westphalia was cut because it was still somehow over the character limit and that content would be more appropriate on Rai's assorted acts of evil anyway.
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Postby Draganisia » Sat Sep 12, 2020 12:36 pm

This would probably be a badge of honor among them but will vote for it anyways.

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