by Derika » Tue Aug 25, 2020 1:03 pm
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by Sanghyeok » Tue Aug 25, 2020 1:06 pm
どんな時も、赤旗の眩しさを覚えていた
Magical socialist paradise headed by an immortal, tea-loving and sometimes childish Chairwoman who happens to be the younger Ōmiya sister
by Wink Wonk We Like Stonks » Tue Aug 25, 2020 1:06 pm
according to legend, i once wrote:agender mars-colony automated decadent libertarian anti-statist degrowth
by The Reformed American Republic » Tue Aug 25, 2020 1:07 pm
by Jabberwocky » Tue Aug 25, 2020 1:08 pm
by Wink Wonk We Like Stonks » Tue Aug 25, 2020 1:08 pm
Wink Wonk We Like Stonks wrote:he didn't do anything heroic
just slavery and "discovering" a place that people already lived in
and colonization wasn't good for the people who already lived there
villain
according to legend, i once wrote:agender mars-colony automated decadent libertarian anti-statist degrowth
by Liriena » Tue Aug 25, 2020 1:10 pm
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by Sanghyeok » Tue Aug 25, 2020 1:10 pm
Wink Wonk We Like Stonks wrote:Wink Wonk We Like Stonks wrote:he didn't do anything heroic
just slavery and "discovering" a place that people already lived in
and colonization wasn't good for the people who already lived there
villain
they would have colonized it eventually anyways, so he did even really cause that
どんな時も、赤旗の眩しさを覚えていた
Magical socialist paradise headed by an immortal, tea-loving and sometimes childish Chairwoman who happens to be the younger Ōmiya sister
by Outer Acharet » Tue Aug 25, 2020 1:11 pm
Liriena wrote:Definitely an overrated murderous asshole.
If people want to glorify and revere someone for discovering the Americas, the guy who actually deserves that honour is Amerigo Vespucci.
News? What news? News is for people who don't have a bloated military-industrial complex strangling their apparatus of state. Wait, that sounds like a bad thing, doesn't it?
by Rothella » Tue Aug 25, 2020 1:12 pm
Wink Wonk We Like Stonks wrote:he didn't do anything heroic
just slavery and "discovering" a place that people already lived in
and colonization wasn't good for the people who already lived there
villain
by Outer Acharet » Tue Aug 25, 2020 1:14 pm
Rothella wrote:Wink Wonk We Like Stonks wrote:he didn't do anything heroic
just slavery and "discovering" a place that people already lived in
and colonization wasn't good for the people who already lived there
villain
Never enslaved anyone. In fact, he was against the enslavement of women for sex (I don't know about hte institution of slavery itself tho) he cut off the hands and noses of Spanish sex traffickers who were selling INdigenous woman as young as 9 (maybe 12, but still bad). Now granted they deserved that, but it was unjust because there was no due process of law. Just, "Oh, you're a sex trafficker? Got your nose!"
News? What news? News is for people who don't have a bloated military-industrial complex strangling their apparatus of state. Wait, that sounds like a bad thing, doesn't it?
by Valrifell » Tue Aug 25, 2020 1:15 pm
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by Valrifell » Tue Aug 25, 2020 1:17 pm
Liriena wrote:Definitely an overrated murderous asshole.
If people want to glorify and revere someone for discovering the Americas, the guy who actually deserves that honour is Amerigo Vespucci.
by Theberstan » Tue Aug 25, 2020 1:17 pm
by The Gold Mines » Tue Aug 25, 2020 1:17 pm
Valrifell wrote:Heroes and villains don't exist. Columbus has a complicated legacy that is, tragically, marred with slavery and genocide. Some of it intentional, some of it not.
He definitely should not be put up on this pedestal that several folks have him on as the "first to discover the Americas" and should probably be celebrated less overall, considering his eponymous holiday is a celebration of colonialism which isn't very good.
by The Black Forrest » Tue Aug 25, 2020 1:17 pm
Jabberwocky wrote:He committed genocide by entirely wiping out the Arawak tribe. Hence, villain.
by VlaRiSsiA » Tue Aug 25, 2020 1:18 pm
tl;dr - after nuclear war, corrupt oligarchical hellhole emerges. ogre leads revolution, kills oligarchs after civil war, improves quality of life with progressive social policies and industrialization. couple foreign invasions, assassination attempts, personal losses, and rebellions later, ogre goes psychotic and kills anyone he’s sus of. then a fascist midget invades and kills third of the population, ogre manages to defeat him but goes completely bonkers.
now we got a hyper-totalitarian hyper-militaristic industrial hive-mind quasi-slave state that the ogre 70 years ago would be horrified at
by Valrifell » Tue Aug 25, 2020 1:18 pm
The Gold Mines wrote:Valrifell wrote:Heroes and villains don't exist. Columbus has a complicated legacy that is, tragically, marred with slavery and genocide. Some of it intentional, some of it not.
He definitely should not be put up on this pedestal that several folks have him on as the "first to discover the Americas" and should probably be celebrated less overall, considering his eponymous holiday is a celebration of colonialism which isn't very good.
He didn’t even really discover the America’s, he discovers the Caribbean. Why do we have a day named after him again?
by The Gold Mines » Tue Aug 25, 2020 1:19 pm
by Heloin » Tue Aug 25, 2020 1:19 pm
Rothella wrote:Wink Wonk We Like Stonks wrote:he didn't do anything heroic
just slavery and "discovering" a place that people already lived in
and colonization wasn't good for the people who already lived there
villain
Never enslaved anyone. In fact, he was against the enslavement of women for sex (I don't know about hte institution of slavery itself tho) he cut off the hands and noses of Spanish sex traffickers who were selling INdigenous woman as young as 9 (maybe 12, but still bad). Now granted they deserved that, but it was unjust because there was no due process of law. Just, "Oh, you're a sex trafficker? Got your nose!"
by Greed and Death » Tue Aug 25, 2020 1:20 pm
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