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by An Alan Smithee Nation » Sat Aug 08, 2020 10:56 am
by SD_Film Artists » Sat Aug 08, 2020 11:06 am
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:Galloism wrote:https://www.businessinsider.com/how-big-was-the-explosion-that-devastated-beirut-moab-2020-8
Estimates are the blast was between a few hundred tons and a kiloton of TNT equivalent.
Like someone used a Davy Crockett. About that big.
The Davy Crockett only had a yield of 10-20 tons so not quite.
by Ethel mermania » Sat Aug 08, 2020 11:15 am
Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:Ethel mermania wrote:He is right, governments have laws and rules as to how stuff is stored particularly highly inflammatory material. Why this was not enforced is on the government. How they knew about it and let it sit is a crime. It should be a capital one.
In my own defense, I was only describing the early stages of the debacle. I did not exonerate the government, they handled it terribly after it was on the dock. However the shit would never have been on an unseaworthy vessel with a near mutinous crew, and it never would have come into Beirut harbor at all, if not for the criminal mismanagement of the owner of the ship.
It was stored unsafely on the dock. But it was only necessary to take it off the ship because it was stored unsafely there too. I'm not going to try to apportion the blame in numbers, between the ship owner and the Lebanon government, but I insist that the ship owner does bear some of the blame.
by Northwest Slobovia » Sat Aug 08, 2020 11:34 am
Ethel mermania wrote:Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
In my own defense, I was only describing the early stages of the debacle. I did not exonerate the government, they handled it terribly after it was on the dock. However the shit would never have been on an unseaworthy vessel with a near mutinous crew, and it never would have come into Beirut harbor at all, if not for the criminal mismanagement of the owner of the ship.
It was stored unsafely on the dock. But it was only necessary to take it off the ship because it was stored unsafely there too. I'm not going to try to apportion the blame in numbers, between the ship owner and the Lebanon government, but I insist that the ship owner does bear some of the blame.
There is plenty of blame to go around, I do agree.
When we investigate accidents the worse they are the more likely the failure is a compound one, and not a single error.
by Borderlands of Rojava » Sat Aug 08, 2020 12:51 pm
by SD_Film Artists » Sat Aug 08, 2020 1:04 pm
by Greed and Death » Sat Aug 08, 2020 1:08 pm
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:Everyone go to the news. Motherfuckers are wilin out in Beirut
by Andsed » Sat Aug 08, 2020 2:02 pm
SD_Film Artists wrote:"Lebanese protesters forced their way into government ministries in Beirut and trashed the offices of the Association of Lebanese Banks on Saturday as shots rang out in increasingly angry demonstrations over this week's devastating explosion."
https://www.france24.com/en/20200808-le ... -explosion
by The New California Republic » Sat Aug 08, 2020 2:04 pm
Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:It was stored unsafely on the dock. But it was only necessary to take it off the ship because it was stored unsafely there too. I'm not going to try to apportion the blame in numbers, between the ship owner and the Lebanon government, but I insist that the ship owner does bear some of the blame.
by Outer Sparta » Sat Aug 08, 2020 2:18 pm
SD_Film Artists wrote:"Lebanese protesters forced their way into government ministries in Beirut and trashed the offices of the Association of Lebanese Banks on Saturday as shots rang out in increasingly angry demonstrations over this week's devastating explosion."
https://www.france24.com/en/20200808-le ... -explosion
by Greed and Death » Sat Aug 08, 2020 2:29 pm
The New California Republic wrote:Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:It was stored unsafely on the dock. But it was only necessary to take it off the ship because it was stored unsafely there too. I'm not going to try to apportion the blame in numbers, between the ship owner and the Lebanon government, but I insist that the ship owner does bear some of the blame.
...moving it from one unsafe place to another unsafe place does absolutely fuck all, it is a net zero gain...
by The New California Republic » Sat Aug 08, 2020 2:50 pm
by SD_Film Artists » Sat Aug 08, 2020 3:03 pm
Outer Sparta wrote:SD_Film Artists wrote:"Lebanese protesters forced their way into government ministries in Beirut and trashed the offices of the Association of Lebanese Banks on Saturday as shots rang out in increasingly angry demonstrations over this week's devastating explosion."
https://www.france24.com/en/20200808-le ... -explosion
The Beirut explosion is a culmination in all the government incompetence, corruption, and general failure to lead.
Andsed wrote:SD_Film Artists wrote:"Lebanese protesters forced their way into government ministries in Beirut and trashed the offices of the Association of Lebanese Banks on Saturday as shots rang out in increasingly angry demonstrations over this week's devastating explosion."
https://www.france24.com/en/20200808-le ... -explosion
I don't blame them for being angry. The sheer negligence shown here is appalling and the Lebanese(and honestly a lot of governments) government need to really fucking step their game up.
by The New California Republic » Sat Aug 08, 2020 3:11 pm
by Borderlands of Rojava » Sat Aug 08, 2020 3:31 pm
by Novus America » Sat Aug 08, 2020 3:34 pm
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:I suspect the Lebanese government won't last the month.
by Novus America » Sat Aug 08, 2020 3:39 pm
The New California Republic wrote:Greed and Death wrote:Leaving it in the unsafe place for 6 years seems the most culpable though.
Yes the fact it was left there for so long is what makes the warehouse option more dangerous. If they'd actually wanted to store it for a long period then it would have been better leaving it in the ship and mooring the ship a mile or so offshore, or storing it in a warehouse in the sticks so that it wasn't nearly as much of a risk.
by Purpelia » Sat Aug 08, 2020 3:58 pm
Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:In my own defense, I was only describing the early stages of the debacle. I did not exonerate the government, they handled it terribly after it was on the dock. However the shit would never have been on an unseaworthy vessel with a near mutinous crew, and it never would have come into Beirut harbor at all, if not for the criminal mismanagement of the owner of the ship.
It was stored unsafely on the dock. But it was only necessary to take it off the ship because it was stored unsafely there too. I'm not going to try to apportion the blame in numbers, between the ship owner and the Lebanon government, but I insist that the ship owner does bear some of the blame.
by Kowani » Sat Aug 08, 2020 4:33 pm
by Borderlands of Rojava » Sat Aug 08, 2020 4:50 pm
by -Astoria- » Sun Aug 09, 2020 1:39 am
Less Trump, & more just simply incompetent.Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
They ought to fucking resign. They did an awful job. At this rate Michel Auon is like the soft spoken Arab Donald Trump...so not trump at all actually. Lol.
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by Baltenstein » Sun Aug 09, 2020 3:26 am
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
They ought to fucking resign. They did an awful job. At this rate Michel Auon is like the soft spoken Arab Donald Trump...so not trump at all actually. Lol.
by Nobel Hobos 2 » Sun Aug 09, 2020 4:36 am
by Nobel Hobos 2 » Sun Aug 09, 2020 4:43 am
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
They ought to fucking resign. They did an awful job. At this rate Michel Auon is like the soft spoken Arab Donald Trump...so not trump at all actually. Lol.
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