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by Sundiata » Thu Aug 06, 2020 6:46 pm
by West Leas Oros 2 » Thu Aug 06, 2020 6:52 pm
Sundiata wrote:You know, I keep coming back to this thread because I love women dearly and I always have. As a man, there are few greater rewards in life than loving a woman: body, mind, and soul. We have to push on and keep fighting to make a better world for women. A lot of times it's a thankless job but the reward is often times the service in of itself, to see her flourish.
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by Sundiata » Thu Aug 06, 2020 6:54 pm
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:Sundiata wrote:You know, I keep coming back to this thread because I love women dearly and I always have. As a man, there are few greater rewards in life than loving a woman: body, mind, and soul. We have to push on and keep fighting to make a better world for women. A lot of times it's a thankless job but the reward is often times the service in of itself, to see her flourish.
I always keep coming back to this thread because I'm afraid it's dead. Also, the summer posters are a blast to watch.
by West Leas Oros 2 » Thu Aug 06, 2020 6:57 pm
No menz land wrote:The Radical Feminist Alliance is now open for women only.
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by Sundiata » Thu Aug 06, 2020 7:01 pm
by West Leas Oros 2 » Thu Aug 06, 2020 7:02 pm
Sundiata wrote:
That's the thing about radical feminism, I get that it's a response to the most egregious abuses of male power but it's like, come on. Men also make sacrifices for women every single day.
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by Sundiata » Thu Aug 06, 2020 7:10 pm
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:Sundiata wrote:That's the thing about radical feminism, I get that it's a response to the most egregious abuses of male power but it's like, come on. Men also make sacrifices for women every single day.
Some people just want to make those who are different from them suffer, and those people are truly the lowest of the low.
by Des-Bal » Fri Aug 07, 2020 6:20 pm
Cekoviu wrote:DES-BAL: Introverted, blunt, focused, utilitarian. Hard to read; not verbose online or likely in real life. Places little emphasis on interpersonal relationships, particularly with online strangers for whom the investment would outweigh the returns.
Desired perception: Logical, intellectual
Public perception: Neutral-positive - blunt, cold, logical, skilled at debating
Mindset: Logos
by Sundiata » Mon Aug 10, 2020 8:47 pm
Des-Bal wrote:Are there biological differences between men and women?
If men and women are disposed as a matter of biology to certain career paths is a gender imbalance justifiable?
It certainly is.If men and women are not disposed as a matter of biology to certain career paths why is it not possible to draw a line betwixt gender equality and more equal distribution within career paths?
by Costa Fierro » Mon Aug 10, 2020 9:05 pm
Des-Bal wrote:Are there biological differences between men and women?
If men and women are disposed as a matter of biology to certain career paths is a gender imbalance justifiable?
If men and women are not disposed as a matter of biology to certain career paths why is it not possible to draw a line betwixt gender equality and more equal distribution within career paths?
by Des-Bal » Mon Aug 10, 2020 9:45 pm
Sundiata wrote:Yes.
Not when it comes to proportionate wages, dignity, human rights, or respect.
It certainly is.
Cekoviu wrote:DES-BAL: Introverted, blunt, focused, utilitarian. Hard to read; not verbose online or likely in real life. Places little emphasis on interpersonal relationships, particularly with online strangers for whom the investment would outweigh the returns.
Desired perception: Logical, intellectual
Public perception: Neutral-positive - blunt, cold, logical, skilled at debating
Mindset: Logos
by The Rich Port » Tue Aug 11, 2020 3:14 am
Giovenith wrote:Sundiata wrote:I'm disgusted by the recent actions of Florida Rep. Ted Yoho towards NY Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. The demeaning epithets he uttered towards her will not be forgotten.
Shame on the Republican Party.
Her speech in response was pretty badass.
"Having a daughter does not make a man decent. Having a wife does not make a decent man. Treating people with dignity and respect makes a decent man."
Regardless of politics, she is right. I have never been fond of people who act like treating the women in their families well somehow absolves them of treating women in general like crap. "But I have a daughter" doesn't mean shit if you go around calling women bitches and whores unprovoked.
by Jello Biafra » Tue Aug 11, 2020 7:16 am
Des-Bal wrote:If men and women are not disposed as a matter of biology to certain career paths why is it not possible to draw a line betwixt gender equality and more equal distribution within career paths?
by Des-Bal » Tue Aug 11, 2020 8:14 am
Jello Biafra wrote:What would be the justification for drawing the line?
Cekoviu wrote:DES-BAL: Introverted, blunt, focused, utilitarian. Hard to read; not verbose online or likely in real life. Places little emphasis on interpersonal relationships, particularly with online strangers for whom the investment would outweigh the returns.
Desired perception: Logical, intellectual
Public perception: Neutral-positive - blunt, cold, logical, skilled at debating
Mindset: Logos
by Galloism » Tue Aug 11, 2020 8:20 am
Des-Bal wrote:Sundiata wrote:Yes.
Not when it comes to proportionate wages, dignity, human rights, or respect.
It certainly is.
In this case I'm talking about the ratio to men and women in certain field.
The issue is proportionate wages and respect. There's different wages and different prestige associated with different fields.
It is not. In countries that score higher than the US in terms of gender equality there are less women in managerial positions. We see more women in government but fewer in business and STEM fields. Women seem to preferentially select part-time and public sector work and even with an abundance of benefits to support them they remain more likely to have gaps in their careers and if work history or networking are important to advancement those are absolute killers.
There's a whole bunch of shit to read on it, why not start here?
https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20 ... of%2016%25.
by Des-Bal » Tue Aug 11, 2020 8:36 am
Galloism wrote:I think this may actually come down to how we, as a society, measure gender equality. We often measure it by only women’s oppression or lack thereof (sometimes, explicitly so).
See, I don’t think “more gender equal” countries are actually more gender equal - but they have fewer oppressions against women and more gender privileges for women while leaving men’s oppression either unchanged or intensified. Consequently, they are not “more gender equal” but generally less, given compared to other western democracies (to which they can be compared) they are actually less equal.
Taken in that context, it makes sense that countries that have higher degrees of privilege for women would also have higher disparities in career choice.
Cekoviu wrote:DES-BAL: Introverted, blunt, focused, utilitarian. Hard to read; not verbose online or likely in real life. Places little emphasis on interpersonal relationships, particularly with online strangers for whom the investment would outweigh the returns.
Desired perception: Logical, intellectual
Public perception: Neutral-positive - blunt, cold, logical, skilled at debating
Mindset: Logos
by Sundiata » Tue Aug 11, 2020 9:12 am
by Galloism » Tue Aug 11, 2020 9:14 am
Des-Bal wrote:Galloism wrote:I think this may actually come down to how we, as a society, measure gender equality. We often measure it by only women’s oppression or lack thereof (sometimes, explicitly so).
See, I don’t think “more gender equal” countries are actually more gender equal - but they have fewer oppressions against women and more gender privileges for women while leaving men’s oppression either unchanged or intensified. Consequently, they are not “more gender equal” but generally less, given compared to other western democracies (to which they can be compared) they are actually less equal.
Taken in that context, it makes sense that countries that have higher degrees of privilege for women would also have higher disparities in career choice.
That's an interesting perspective but the central point remains the same. If barriers and oppression are not what result in fewer women in certain fields then attacking those barriers and oppressions real or imagined cannot be the solution.
by Stellar Colonies » Tue Aug 11, 2020 11:27 am
Sundiata wrote:That thread proposing female genocide was pretty sickening to read.
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I try to be objective, but I do have some biases.
North Californian.
Stellar Colonies is a loose galactic confederacy.
The Confederacy & the WA.
Add 1200 years.
by The Rich Port » Tue Aug 11, 2020 11:27 am
Sundiata wrote:That thread proposing female genocide was pretty sickening to read.
by Nuroblav » Tue Aug 11, 2020 11:31 am
Sundiata wrote:That thread proposing female genocide was pretty sickening to read.
by Thepeopl » Tue Aug 11, 2020 12:55 pm
Galloism wrote:Des-Bal wrote:
That's an interesting perspective but the central point remains the same. If barriers and oppression are not what result in fewer women in certain fields then attacking those barriers and oppressions real or imagined cannot be the solution.
That is correct - the real driver of it is who is required to be “breadwinner” in our society. Make it an equal chore, and less disparity would likely occur.
I have no idea how to accomplish this.
by New haven america » Tue Aug 11, 2020 12:56 pm
Sundiata wrote:You know, I keep coming back to this thread because I love women dearly and I always have. As a man, there are few greater rewards in life than loving a woman: body, mind, and soul. We have to push on and keep fighting to make a better world for women. A lot of times it's a thankless job but the reward is often times the service in of itself, to see her flourish.
by Des-Bal » Tue Aug 11, 2020 1:17 pm
Thepeopl wrote:By paying parental leave for both parents, like Iceland.
By ignoring sex, gender and "traditional marriage". No more "gender reveal parties" no more forced gender roles.
We could adopt the Scandinavian "non gender" schools.
We could make it mandatory that everyone learn how to cook, clean, repair electrical sockets, etc.
Let's dismantle the hold big corporations have over people. It is sickening that a lot of people don't have enough income to live comfortably with 1 job.
Cekoviu wrote:DES-BAL: Introverted, blunt, focused, utilitarian. Hard to read; not verbose online or likely in real life. Places little emphasis on interpersonal relationships, particularly with online strangers for whom the investment would outweigh the returns.
Desired perception: Logical, intellectual
Public perception: Neutral-positive - blunt, cold, logical, skilled at debating
Mindset: Logos
by Galloism » Tue Aug 11, 2020 3:42 pm
Thepeopl wrote:Galloism wrote:That is correct - the real driver of it is who is required to be “breadwinner” in our society. Make it an equal chore, and less disparity would likely occur.
I have no idea how to accomplish this.
By paying parental leave for both parents, like Iceland.
By ignoring sex, gender and "traditional marriage". No more "gender reveal parties" no more forced gender roles.
We could adopt the Scandinavian "non gender" schools.
We could make it mandatory that everyone learn how to cook, clean, repair electrical sockets, etc.
Let's dismantle the hold big corporations have over people. It is sickening that a lot of people don't have enough income to live comfortably with 1 job.
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