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by South Odreria 2 » Mon Jul 27, 2020 6:27 pm
Valrifell wrote:
Disregard whatever this poster says
by Uiiop » Mon Jul 27, 2020 7:17 pm
Picairn wrote:Thermodolia wrote:Nah Jacobin is hot garbage. Pravda is better
Jacobin once downplayed a genocide to justify their hate for US interventions. https://mobile.twitter.com/jacobinmag/s ... 3284858882
Whether you agree with US interventions or not, downplaying a genocide is NOT okay.
by Blargoblarg » Mon Jul 27, 2020 10:50 pm
by South Odreria 2 » Mon Jul 27, 2020 10:53 pm
Cisairse wrote:jacobin is pretty okay
Valrifell wrote:
Disregard whatever this poster says
by Nobel Hobos 2 » Mon Jul 27, 2020 11:06 pm
Ors Might wrote:Kowani wrote:Step one: Not doing this.
..Yeah, not doing that would be a wonderful first step. Jesus.
by Mirjt » Tue Jul 28, 2020 3:39 am
Blargoblarg wrote:Jacobin is one of the more left-wing sources I trust, along with Common Dreams, The Intercept, In These Times, and Current Affairs.
by Cisairse » Tue Jul 28, 2020 6:22 am
Mirjt wrote:Blargoblarg wrote:Jacobin is one of the more left-wing sources I trust, along with Common Dreams, The Intercept, In These Times, and Current Affairs.
I hadn't heard of The Intercept, but I had heard of all the others and I also trust these, though I would also recommend TruthOut
by Fahran » Tue Jul 28, 2020 12:04 pm
Blargoblarg wrote:Jacobin is one of the more left-wing sources I trust, along with Common Dreams, The Intercept, In These Times, and Current Affairs.
by Bear Stearns » Tue Jul 28, 2020 12:07 pm
Blargoblarg wrote:Jacobin is one of the more left-wing sources I trust, along with Common Dreams, The Intercept, In These Times, and Current Affairs.
by Cisairse » Tue Jul 28, 2020 12:08 pm
Fahran wrote:Blargoblarg wrote:Jacobin is one of the more left-wing sources I trust, along with Common Dreams, The Intercept, In These Times, and Current Affairs.
Aren't most of these lefty rags with pretty overt biases?
by Mirjt » Tue Jul 28, 2020 12:08 pm
Fahran wrote:Blargoblarg wrote:Jacobin is one of the more left-wing sources I trust, along with Common Dreams, The Intercept, In These Times, and Current Affairs.
Aren't most of these lefty rags with pretty overt biases?
by Asle Leopolka » Tue Jul 28, 2020 12:14 pm
Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:Ors Might wrote:..Yeah, not doing that would be a wonderful first step. Jesus.
He might be saying he can regulate corporations more using only Executive Orders. I doubt.
Or he might be expressing lack of confidence in Congressional Democrats to do anything. That's depressingly plausible.
by FutureAmerica » Tue Jul 28, 2020 5:59 pm
Mirjt wrote:This topic is directed toward U.S. Leftists (edit: and Progressives) whom are currently not planning to vote for Biden.
For me:
I do not support Biden or his neo-liberal to deeply conservative viewpoints and policies. I do not trust Biden with important issues. (That said, I don't despise Joe Biden because I believe in loving every single human being). I currently plan to vote for Howie Hawkins (and down ticket for progressive democrats, independents, and third party candidates) in November; though that may not matter because I live in Maryland, a safe blue state, which will probably cast all 10 of its electoral votes for Joe Biden. I am, however, willing to risk a Trump second term to show the Democratic establishment that they need to earn my vote (they don't just get my vote because they aren't the worse option). I already consider Bernie Sanders policies to be a moderate compromise (his policies were social democracy, which is a moderate compromise between socialism and capitalism) so I am hesitant to compromise further; that said I think (or hope) that the left has more power right now, and so offer Biden this deal: I will consider voting for Biden, if he meets all the following conditions (this is the minimum price for my vote):
1. He must adopt at least 90% of each of the following plans published by Bernie Sanders:
A. Medicare for All
B. Green New Deal
C. Ending Mass Incarceration
D. Any 3 Economics Plans (Biden may choose from a list of plans published by Bernie Sanders)
2. He must publish his own plan for improving U.S. Democracy (with ideas like ranked choice voting, multi-member districts, campaign finance reform, public campaign funding, support and protection for non-electoral politics, etc...).
3. He must allow leftists at least 45% influence in the DNC.
4. He must allow leftists to choose his Vice President (we will choose a woman so Biden may keep his campaign promise of having a woman Vice President).
5. He must allow and endorse Bernie Sanders (and Alexandria Ocasio Cortez, and Ilhan Omar, and Ayanna Presley, and Rashida Talib, and all the other Progressives in Congress) to handle future Democratic responses to the Covid-19 pandemic.
6. He must, on video, sign a pledge (which will be copied and distributed to anyone who wants a copy) that states that if he does not attempt to fulfill each of the above campaign promises during his first 18 months in office, then he will resign after the 2022 midterm elections.
Note: I am okay with adding other stipulations to the signed pledge, such as swearing on the Christian Bible, or making the pledge a full-fledged legal document that can be used to sue Biden should he break it.
Note: I am not even really sure Biden is aware he needs to win over leftists (or independents, or typically non-voters), he probably thinks that the leftists have no where to go but the Democratic Party and he thinks he already has the votes of the Democrats. In his mind he probably thinks he needs to win over Republicans (which is nearly impossible) and swing voters.
by US-SSR » Tue Jul 28, 2020 7:45 pm
by Centai Mal » Thu Jul 30, 2020 11:50 am
US-SSR wrote:What would it take for you to vote for Biden. Him being a Democrat?
George HW Bush: economy tanked.
George W Bush: economy tanked.
Donald J Trump: economy tanked.
One definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. Are we really insane? I hope not.
by Aureumterra » Thu Jul 30, 2020 12:59 pm
Centai Mal wrote:US-SSR wrote:What would it take for you to vote for Biden. Him being a Democrat?
George HW Bush: economy tanked.
George W Bush: economy tanked.
Donald J Trump: economy tanked.
One definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. Are we really insane? I hope not.
Nah apparently we don’t care if we get another four years under a Republican who WILL replace RBG, we just wanna own the DNC
by Centai Mal » Thu Jul 30, 2020 1:42 pm
by Mirjt » Thu Jul 30, 2020 2:14 pm
by Cisairse » Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:05 pm
Mirjt wrote:I would prefer it if we decided to use a rotating court, or give Supreme Court justices a single term limit of 18 years, instead of a single lifetime term.
Robert Reich made a video about numerous Supreme Court reforms we should make: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxsOXTdCUaw&t=3s
And Thom Hartmann wrote a book about how the Supreme Court's power of judicial review subverts democracy, and may have been an unconstitutional power grab in and of itself, and it is possible to restrict the power of judicial review.
by Tarsonis » Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:29 pm
US-SSR wrote:What would it take for you to vote for Biden. Him being a Democrat?
George HW Bush: economy tanked.
George W Bush: economy tanked.
Donald J Trump: economy tanked.
One definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. Are we really insane? I hope not.
by Nobel Hobos 2 » Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:45 pm
Mirjt wrote:
3. He must allow leftists at least 45% influence in the DNC.
by Fahran » Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:47 pm
Cisairse wrote:If you're going to call the publisher of the Snowden leaks, which was probably the biggest scandal of the Obama administration, a "lefty rag," then, sure.
by The Cazistan » Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:49 pm
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