UK Politics Thread XII: The Lockdown

[CoraSpia]

At 10:30 this morning the Intelligence and Security Committee will finallly publish its long awaited report on the Russian threat to the UK.

Was this the one mark francois defended not publishing because if they did 'people wouldn't vote tory?'

[Novus America]

Brexit dies not involve joining the US, which is in some ways less neoliberal than than EU, (although in some ways more) being more open to tariffs and rejecting austerity based fiscal policies. The US is actually more left in some ways than the EU, although less left than others, though the left right dichotomy falls apart here, rejection of neoliberal economics is not inherently left wing (would anyone say Hamilton was a leftist?).

The US will at least not set austerity spending rules on you unlike the EU.

Because the EU is decidedly neoliberal staying in it made the economic changes nearly impossible but sure trade with the US hardly solves the problem either.

Leaving the EU was of course no silver bullet, but trying to fix things in the EU very hard as well.

Nobody is talking about joining the US. We are talking about trade and the economic realities of the world for the UK outside of the EU.

Given that we have now burned our bridges with China, we are going to need a big trade deal settled quickly with someone. That really puts us over a barrel in terms of negotiating with the US.

I expect we will start saying really nice things about India soon as well.

Sure you are in a bad negotiating position (but you would never get anything good out of the PRC anyways, whose trade policies are purely predatory so reducing trade with them is good).

[Phoenicaea]

^we see nowadays where american and chinese economic policies head us all. european, and even british, have been surely better, or less worse.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

Nobody is talking about joining the US. We are talking about trade and the economic realities of the world for the UK outside of the EU.

Given that we have now burned our bridges with China, we are going to need a big trade deal settled quickly with someone. That really puts us over a barrel in terms of negotiating with the US.

I expect we will start saying really nice things about India soon as well.

Sure you are in a bad negotiating position (but you would never get anything good out of the PRC anyways, whose trade policies are purely predatory so reducing trade with them is good).

If our government had an ounce of sense they would have played the US and China off against each other.

[Novus America]

Sure you are in a bad negotiating position (but you would never get anything good out of the PRC anyways, whose trade policies are purely predatory so reducing trade with them is good).

If our government had an ounce of sense they would have played the US and China off against each other.

Not going to work because neither needs you for trade and you have little either needs or wants.
How would that work? You offer to buy more agricultural products from the US?
Why would the PRC care? All they care about is dumping stuff on you, they will never give you fair access to the very restricted PRC markets. For the PRC trade is a one way street. You buy their stuff.
They do not give you anything in return.

Besides that would require you giving up on Hong Kong completely.

Besides playing both sides just earns the enmity of both. Because then both sides see you are not their friend.

Pick the less bad side.

[Souseiseki]

There have been widespread public allegations that Russia sought to influence the 2016 referendum on the UK’s membership of the EU. The impact of any such attempts would be difficult – if not impossible – to assess, and we have not sought to do so.

i'm fucking dying holy shit

[Vassenor]

There have been widespread public allegations that Russia sought to influence the 2016 referendum on the UK’s membership of the EU. The impact of any such attempts would be difficult – if not impossible – to assess, and we have not sought to do so.

i'm fucking dying holy shit

So we're still on the "we can't look into that because it might call Brexit into question" train?

[Kowani]

i'm fucking dying holy shit

So we're still on the "we can't look into that because it might call Brexit into question" train?

That’s not what was said at all.

[The New California Republic]

New poll is up.

[The Huskar Social Union]

MPs have voted against New Clause 17, with 340 votes to 251.

The New Clause intended to protect the NHS and publicly funded health and care services in other parts of the UK from any form of control from outside the UK.

[The Huskar Social Union]

MPs have voted against New Clause 17, with 340 votes to 251.

The New Clause intended to protect the NHS and publicly funded health and care services in other parts of the UK from any form of control from outside the UK.

MPs have voted against amendment 10, with 345 votes to 244.

This amendment would have ensured that the consent of a devolved government is required for regulations under section 2(1) if those regulations contain matters which are within the remit of the devolved government.

[Vassenor]

MPs have voted against New Clause 17, with 340 votes to 251.

The New Clause intended to protect the NHS and publicly funded health and care services in other parts of the UK from any form of control from outside the UK.

#CorbynWasRight

[The Huskar Social Union]

Deleted some comments as i thought i was gona go off on one so have a smiley face instead:


: )

[The Islands of Versilia]

MPs have voted against New Clause 17, with 340 votes to 251.

The New Clause intended to protect the NHS and publicly funded health and care services in other parts of the UK from any form of control from outside the UK.

MPs have voted against amendment 10, with 345 votes to 244.

This amendment would have ensured that the consent of a devolved government is required for regulations under section 2(1) if those regulations contain matters which are within the remit of the devolved government.

I can’t see myself ever trusting a Tory candidate in the future, let alone the traitor in Number 10. People like to blame globalist cabals but the Tory party are the real traitors and butcherers of Britain.

[The Huskar Social Union]

MPs have voted against amendment 10, with 345 votes to 244.

This amendment would have ensured that the consent of a devolved government is required for regulations under section 2(1) if those regulations contain matters which are within the remit of the devolved government.

I can’t see myself ever trusting a Tory candidate in the future, let alone the traitor in Number 10. People like to blame globalist cabals but the Tory party are the real traitors and butcherers of Britain.

Yeah but did you know Brexit means brexit and labour are anti semites.


Okay give me another majority four years from now kthxbai

[The Islands of Versilia]

I can’t see myself ever trusting a Tory candidate in the future, let alone the traitor in Number 10. People like to blame globalist cabals but the Tory party are the real traitors and butcherers of Britain.

Yeah but did you know Brexit means brexit and labour are anti semites.


Okay give me another majority four years from now kthxbai

I couldn’t be happier if Brexit was outright cancelled and/or Starmer literally threw Bojo out of Number 10 like a barkeep throws out an unwelcome patron.

But dear god, if the people choose a Tory majority in the next election, I’m committing to my plans to emigrate when I can.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

MPs have voted against New Clause 17, with 340 votes to 251.

The New Clause intended to protect the NHS and publicly funded health and care services in other parts of the UK from any form of control from outside the UK.

This will be buried under the no doubt purely coincidental release of the Russia report.

[Vassenor]

MPs have voted against New Clause 17, with 340 votes to 251.

The New Clause intended to protect the NHS and publicly funded health and care services in other parts of the UK from any form of control from outside the UK.

This will be buried under the no doubt purely coincidental release of the Russia report.

I mean it's already been buried. I can't actually find anyone reporting on it.

[Vassenor]

Russia report: Inquiry into potential Brexit vote interference rejected by UK government

So it took less than an hour for the government to reject calls for an inquiry into potential interference into Brexit resulting from the report.

What are they trying to hide?

[Agarntrop]

Malignant fucking tory MPs.

Jesus Christ.

They reach new lows every day.

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[Agarntrop]

Russia report: Inquiry into potential Brexit vote interference rejected by UK government

So it took less than an hour for the government to reject calls for an inquiry into potential interference into Brexit resulting from the report.

What are they trying to hide?

The leave campaign was funded by Russia because it would fuck nato sideways and now theyre hiding it????

Imagine my shock!! /s

[The Islands of Versilia]

Malignant fucking tory MPs.

Jesus Christ.

They reach new lows every day.

EDIT:

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Liars. Liars, cheats, scoundrels and criminals. We should go back to using the Irish word where their name came from and call them what they truly are: thieves and robbers.

[The Free Joy State]

MPs have voted against New Clause 17, with 340 votes to 251.

The New Clause intended to protect the NHS and publicly funded health and care services in other parts of the UK from any form of control from outside the UK.

This will be buried under the no doubt purely coincidental release of the Russia report.

They also voted against protecting the safety and welfare standards of agricultural imports, as well as voting to throw health services under the bus.

Research (sorry for the link) shows 75% of people want the NHS excluded from trade deals -- this may be enough to make to Tories unelectable. This will not prevent the next four years (at least) being shit if the Tories go through with this horrid idea.

[Ostroeuropa]

There's a pretty simple wrecking solution Labour could use to stop the Tories being able to behave this way.

Just appropriate the public assets they sell off without compensation, and make it clear this is eternal labour policy for any public asset sold without referendum. "Buyers beware, Conservatives sell faulty goods. You will lose your money.".

They can't keep Labour out of office literally forever, so it becomes an inevitability that makes their behavior impossible. If they cry about it, point out it's the left wing equivalent of what they are doing, which is wrecking maneuvers designed to undermine even the possibility of state assets, since any attempt to build them results in the Tories selling them off for cheap to their mates. So, we should do a wrecking maneuver designed to undermine even the possibility of the privatization of state assets.

Make the billionaire class realize collaboration with the Tories on this kind of stuff will just see their money go up in smoke and society wont tolerate it.

This is more likely to be saleable in the event they try and privatize the NHS, but can be applied across the board as part of the backlash. Just seize the railways, NHS, mail and so on back for the public and do not pay a penny for them.

They'll scream and howl about it disincentivizes investment and so on, but we can just point out "That's the point. We don't want this kind of investment happening. We want it disincentivized. Billionaires too thick to understand the difference between this and other forms of investment are not a loss. They can go be a problem for some other country, preferably one we actually want weakened.".

[Gormwood]

Russia report: Inquiry into potential Brexit vote interference rejected by UK government

So it took less than an hour for the government to reject calls for an inquiry into potential interference into Brexit resulting from the report.

What are they trying to hide?

A Tory Pee Party Tape?