Cold War RP III (Closed.)

[Mathuvan Union]

they may be stronger, but as we learned IRL in Vietnam, that doesn't matter much when the opposition has tonnes of motivated forces

That is pretty much I wanna go with a Vietnam situation. But in South America and I feel it would be a lot closer since it is right on America doorstep and I would think that would still be sympathies for the Americans

you have home advatnage and terrain advantadge, americans aren't used to jungles.

[Mathuvan Union]

your independence is equivalent to Australia's independence in 1901.
not really independence.

More on Australia Act 1986 than 1901. After all, you haven't saw the IC post yet, so don't make assumptions.

I haven't seen waht and what the hell act are you talking about?

[Monsone]

And they are just going to accept a dictator as an US puppet after you spent the better part of years building them up to a regard that it would be incredibly hard for them to maintain such a thing

I don't understand your words. US rule in Venezuela has been marked with consistent economic growth and relative stability. Now they have a swift, quick, and relatively peaceful independence process, they have a strongman, benevolent yet authoritarian ruler (that is in no way a caudillo) as the new leader, and they would stay in great terms with the US. Why would they want another regime to take its place?

You realize that a Caudillo is a strongman. The terms are one in the same. There can be a benevolent Caudillo like Primo de Rivera in Spain, or an extremely bloodthirsty Caudillo like Pinochet in Chile. Any strongman (specifically in the Spanish-speaking world), is a Caudillo.

[Sarderia]

That is pretty much I wanna go with a Vietnam situation. But in South America and I feel it would be a lot closer since it is right on America doorstep and I would think that would still be sympathies for the Americans

you have home advatnage and terrain advantadge, americans aren't used to jungles.

Too bad we have the Venezuela National Guard which pretty much used the entire Orinoco basin for training ground.

More on Australia Act 1986 than 1901. After all, you haven't saw the IC post yet, so don't make assumptions.

I haven't seen waht and what the hell act are you talking about?

The independence process would be just like how Britain granted Australia independence with the Australia act 1986, get it? But less with "Her Majesty" and more "You can do whatever you want as long as Venezuela is aligned to NATO".

[Mathuvan Union]

you have home advatnage and terrain advantadge, americans aren't used to jungles.

Too bad we have the Venezuela National Guard which pretty much used the entire Orinoco basin for training ground.

I haven't seen waht and what the hell act are you talking about?

The independence process would be just like how Britain granted Australia independence with the Australia act 1986, get it? But less with "Hey Majesty" and more "You can do whatever you want as long as Venezuela is aligned to NATO".

if you insult my head of state you are attacking me and my country. I suggest you stop.
its not the venezuela nation guard and more a national guard for a state

[Greater Liverpool]

your independence is equivalent to Australia's independence in 1901.
not really independence.

More on Australia Act 1986 than 1901. After all, you haven't saw the IC post yet, so don't make assumptions.

Dude leave at the fact that the OP has said what he has to say you can accept what he has said and continue or don't and see what happens.

[Greater Liverpool]

you have home advatnage and terrain advantadge, americans aren't used to jungles.

Too bad we have the Venezuela National Guard which pretty much used the entire Orinoco basin for training ground.

I haven't seen waht and what the hell act are you talking about?

The independence process would be just like how Britain granted Australia independence with the Australia act 1986, get it? But less with "Her Majesty" and more "You can do whatever you want as long as Venezuela is aligned to NATO".

Ask the Vietnam army how training local forces went.

[Mathuvan Union]

More on Australia Act 1986 than 1901. After all, you haven't saw the IC post yet, so don't make assumptions.

Dude leave at the fact that the OP has said what he has to say you can accept what he has said and continue or don't and see what happens.

defiance of rule 3 = ban.

[Sarderia]

Too bad we have the Venezuela National Guard which pretty much used the entire Orinoco basin for training ground.

The independence process would be just like how Britain granted Australia independence with the Australia act 1986, get it? But less with "Hey Majesty" and more "You can do whatever you want as long as Venezuela is aligned to NATO".

if you insult my head of state you are attacking me and my country. I suggest you stop.

That is literally an OOC comment and a reference, not intended to be personal on any kind.

More on Australia Act 1986 than 1901. After all, you haven't saw the IC post yet, so don't make assumptions.

Dude leave at the fact that the OP has said what he has to say you can accept what he has said and continue or don't and see what happens.

So I'm not allowed to give Venezuela independence now? Boy, does it progress so fast.

Too bad we have the Venezuela National Guard which pretty much used the entire Orinoco basin for training ground.

The independence process would be just like how Britain granted Australia independence with the Australia act 1986, get it? But less with "Her Majesty" and more "You can do whatever you want as long as Venezuela is aligned to NATO".

Ask the Vietnam army how training local forces went.

Problem is they've been trained since like 1900s

[Greater Liverpool]

they may be stronger, but as we learned IRL in Vietnam, that doesn't matter much when the opposition has tonnes of motivated forces

And foreign aid on top of it.

Like obviously this isn't going to be a conventional war, this is all building up to be this world's asymmetrical 50s war. Like the French's Indochina war in OTL.

Like I know. I want that I love guerilla warfare and the politics behind it makes RP so much funnier then just a regular old war.

[Mathuvan Union]

if you insult my head of state you are attacking me and my country. I suggest you stop.

That is literally an OOC comment and a reference, not intended to be personal on any kind.

Dude leave at the fact that the OP has said what he has to say you can accept what he has said and continue or don't and see what happens.

So I'm not allowed to give Venezuela independence now? Boy, does it progress so fast.

Ask the Vietnam army how training local forces went.

Problem is they've been trained since like 1900s

with a different gov.
also, my head of state deal is different than yours. I have a queen/monarch to be loyal to.
you have a president who you rag on about

[Wasi State]

And foreign aid on top of it.

Like obviously this isn't going to be a conventional war, this is all building up to be this world's asymmetrical 50s war. Like the French's Indochina war in OTL.

Like I know. I want that I love guerilla warfare and the politics behind it makes RP so much funnier then just a regular old war.

Yeah, why Sard is so adamant about not letting it happen I haven't a clue, we're crafting a story collectively here at the end of the day. And honestly I don't get why it be deemed implausible by him, it's perfectly realistic for the scope of this RP.

[Sarderia]

That is literally an OOC comment and a reference, not intended to be personal on any kind.

So I'm not allowed to give Venezuela independence now? Boy, does it progress so fast.

Problem is they've been trained since like 1900s

with a different gov.
also, my head of state deal is different than yours. I have a queen/monarch to be loyal to.
you have a president who you rag on about

Yeah, they have a different government alright, which would be aligned to NATO. The US is giving them independence, it would be expected of the new Venezuelan government to be conforming of the US. Even the Philippines was US-leaning despite rising in mass rebellion against the US in real life.

Like I know. I want that I love guerilla warfare and the politics behind it makes RP so much funnier then just a regular old war.

Yeah, why Sard is so adamant about not letting it happen I haven't a clue, we're crafting a story collectively here at the end of the day. And honestly I don't get why it be deemed implausible by him, it's perfectly realistic for the scope of this RP.

It's not implausible, they could start a guerilla war now if they so wish. I'm merely stating that the US will eventually grant Venezuela independence as well, regardless of the guerilla group.

[Sarderia]

So, after the mess, I am considering to re-form the US lore with a few differences:

• The Reconstruction process is still happening, and neither Andrew Johnson nor Ulysses S. Grant did pull out Union forces from the South. While being impeached, Johnson used the strength of the Union Army to stamp out Nathan Bedford Forrest and his colleagues in the KKK, while Ulysses S. Grant continued the effort. Eventually, Reconstruction process would be stopped, but Union troops would still be stationed in areas of predominantly African-American population to protect them from political and civil violence during the Jim Crow era (that would make a strong case in the Republican historical opposition against racism).

In Venezuela there will be several major changes:

• Venezuela is released from the US nearing the onset of World War II (around 1939). A dictator, under the name (fictional) of Anton Castillo, more popularly known as El Presidente, rules Venezuela after the US left. The nation would basically still be an US puppet, but Venezuela would have full control of its military and foreign relations, and is able to interfere with 3rd World conflicts (like Cuba and the Soviet Union). El Presidente rules with an iron fist, similar to Fidel Castro in Cuba, and the only party allowed in Venezuela would be the "National Bolivarian Party of Venezuela", and the ideology is nationalism. The economy would follow a fiscally conservative, capitalist method. It would be aligned to NATO. For the better part of the Cold War, the US would be using Venezuela as a proxy for illicit deals (think the Iran-Contra affair, but all the blame is delegated to another nation).

I am willing to do a guerilla war this style, but remember that El Presidente ruled Venezuela with an extremely tight grip, using an assortment of CIA agents to secret police all the way to employ cocaine cartels as his personal paramilitary and intelligence.

[Greater Liverpool]

So, after the mess, I am considering to re-form the US lore with a few differences:

• The Reconstruction process is still happening, and neither Andrew Johnson nor Ulysses S. Grant did pull out Union forces from the South. While being impeached, Johnson used the strength of the Union Army to stamp out Nathan Bedford Forrest and his colleagues in the KKK, while Ulysses S. Grant continued the effort. Eventually, Reconstruction process would be stopped, but Union troops would still be stationed in areas of predominantly African-American population to protect them from political and civil violence during the Jim Crow era (that would make a strong case in the Republican historical opposition against racism).

In Venezuela there will be several major changes:

• Venezuela is released from the US nearing the onset of World War II (around 1939). A dictator, under the name (fictional) of Anton Castillo, more popularly known as El Presidente, rules Venezuela after the US left. The nation would basically still be an US puppet, but Venezuela would have full control of its military and foreign relations, and is able to interfere with 3rd World conflicts (like Cuba and the Soviet Union). El Presidente rules with an iron fist, similar to Fidel Castro in Cuba, and the only party allowed in Venezuela would be the "National Bolivarian Party of Venezuela", and the ideology is nationalism. The economy would follow a fiscally conservative, capitalist method. It would be aligned to NATO. For the better part of the Cold War, the US would be using Venezuela as a proxy for illicit deals (think the Iran-Contra affair, but all the blame is delegated to another nation).

I am willing to do a guerilla war this style, but remember that El Presidente ruled Venezuela with an extremely tight grip, using an assortment of CIA agents to secret police all the way to employ cocaine cartels as his personal paramilitary and intelligence.

It is the 1950s Cocanie cartels are not a thing yet.

[Sarderia]

So, after the mess, I am considering to re-form the US lore with a few differences:

• The Reconstruction process is still happening, and neither Andrew Johnson nor Ulysses S. Grant did pull out Union forces from the South. While being impeached, Johnson used the strength of the Union Army to stamp out Nathan Bedford Forrest and his colleagues in the KKK, while Ulysses S. Grant continued the effort. Eventually, Reconstruction process would be stopped, but Union troops would still be stationed in areas of predominantly African-American population to protect them from political and civil violence during the Jim Crow era (that would make a strong case in the Republican historical opposition against racism).

In Venezuela there will be several major changes:

• Venezuela is released from the US nearing the onset of World War II (around 1939). A dictator, under the name (fictional) of Anton Castillo, more popularly known as El Presidente, rules Venezuela after the US left. The nation would basically still be an US puppet, but Venezuela would have full control of its military and foreign relations, and is able to interfere with 3rd World conflicts (like Cuba and the Soviet Union). El Presidente rules with an iron fist, similar to Fidel Castro in Cuba, and the only party allowed in Venezuela would be the "National Bolivarian Party of Venezuela", and the ideology is nationalism. The economy would follow a fiscally conservative, capitalist method. It would be aligned to NATO. For the better part of the Cold War, the US would be using Venezuela as a proxy for illicit deals (think the Iran-Contra affair, but all the blame is delegated to another nation).

I am willing to do a guerilla war this style, but remember that El Presidente ruled Venezuela with an extremely tight grip, using an assortment of CIA agents to secret police all the way to employ cocaine cartels as his personal paramilitary and intelligence.

It is the 1950s Cocanie cartels are not a thing yet.

The point is he has all sorts of drug cartels, jungle guerilla movements, even Native American groups in his sphere of influence. Venezuela is a police state, but at least the citizens are experiencing an economic growth thanks to the capitalist society.

[Monsone]

So, after the mess, I am considering to re-form the US lore with a few differences:

• The Reconstruction process is still happening, and neither Andrew Johnson nor Ulysses S. Grant did pull out Union forces from the South. While being impeached, Johnson used the strength of the Union Army to stamp out Nathan Bedford Forrest and his colleagues in the KKK, while Ulysses S. Grant continued the effort. Eventually, Reconstruction process would be stopped, but Union troops would still be stationed in areas of predominantly African-American population to protect them from political and civil violence during the Jim Crow era (that would make a strong case in the Republican historical opposition against racism).

In Venezuela there will be several major changes:

• Venezuela is released from the US nearing the onset of World War II (around 1939). A dictator, under the name (fictional) of Anton Castillo, more popularly known as El Presidente, rules Venezuela after the US left. The nation would basically still be an US puppet, but Venezuela would have full control of its military and foreign relations, and is able to interfere with 3rd World conflicts (like Cuba and the Soviet Union). El Presidente rules with an iron fist, similar to Fidel Castro in Cuba, and the only party allowed in Venezuela would be the "National Bolivarian Party of Venezuela", and the ideology is nationalism. The economy would follow a fiscally conservative, capitalist method. It would be aligned to NATO. For the better part of the Cold War, the US would be using Venezuela as a proxy for illicit deals (think the Iran-Contra affair, but all the blame is delegated to another nation).

I am willing to do a guerilla war this style, but remember that El Presidente ruled Venezuela with an extremely tight grip, using an assortment of CIA agents to secret police all the way to employ cocaine cartels as his personal paramilitary and intelligence.

Needles to say:

No major history changes after 1900. Unless your country was colonised after 1900

I'd say this is a major change. But I'll let the OP decide.

[Sarderia]

So, after the mess, I am considering to re-form the US lore with a few differences:

• The Reconstruction process is still happening, and neither Andrew Johnson nor Ulysses S. Grant did pull out Union forces from the South. While being impeached, Johnson used the strength of the Union Army to stamp out Nathan Bedford Forrest and his colleagues in the KKK, while Ulysses S. Grant continued the effort. Eventually, Reconstruction process would be stopped, but Union troops would still be stationed in areas of predominantly African-American population to protect them from political and civil violence during the Jim Crow era (that would make a strong case in the Republican historical opposition against racism).

In Venezuela there will be several major changes:

• Venezuela is released from the US nearing the onset of World War II (around 1939). A dictator, under the name (fictional) of Anton Castillo, more popularly known as El Presidente, rules Venezuela after the US left. The nation would basically still be an US puppet, but Venezuela would have full control of its military and foreign relations, and is able to interfere with 3rd World conflicts (like Cuba and the Soviet Union). El Presidente rules with an iron fist, similar to Fidel Castro in Cuba, and the only party allowed in Venezuela would be the "National Bolivarian Party of Venezuela", and the ideology is nationalism. The economy would follow a fiscally conservative, capitalist method. It would be aligned to NATO. For the better part of the Cold War, the US would be using Venezuela as a proxy for illicit deals (think the Iran-Contra affair, but all the blame is delegated to another nation).

I am willing to do a guerilla war this style, but remember that El Presidente ruled Venezuela with an extremely tight grip, using an assortment of CIA agents to secret police all the way to employ cocaine cartels as his personal paramilitary and intelligence.

Needles to say:

No major history changes after 1900. Unless your country was colonised after 1900

I'd say this is a major change. But I'll let the OP decide.

Technically Venezuela was colonized in 1900. If it's not, I'll just roll back the date all the way to 1890

[The Baton Rouge Free State]

So, after the mess, I am considering to re-form the US lore with a few differences:

• The Reconstruction process is still happening, and neither Andrew Johnson nor Ulysses S. Grant did pull out Union forces from the South. While being impeached, Johnson used the strength of the Union Army to stamp out Nathan Bedford Forrest and his colleagues in the KKK, while Ulysses S. Grant continued the effort. Eventually, Reconstruction process would be stopped, but Union troops would still be stationed in areas of predominantly African-American population to protect them from political and civil violence during the Jim Crow era (that would make a strong case in the Republican historical opposition against racism).

In Venezuela there will be several major changes:

• Venezuela is released from the US nearing the onset of World War II (around 1939). A dictator, under the name (fictional) of Anton Castillo, more popularly known as El Presidente, rules Venezuela after the US left. The nation would basically still be an US puppet, but Venezuela would have full control of its military and foreign relations, and is able to interfere with 3rd World conflicts (like Cuba and the Soviet Union). El Presidente rules with an iron fist, similar to Fidel Castro in Cuba, and the only party allowed in Venezuela would be the "National Bolivarian Party of Venezuela", and the ideology is nationalism. The economy would follow a fiscally conservative, capitalist method. It would be aligned to NATO. For the better part of the Cold War, the US would be using Venezuela as a proxy for illicit deals (think the Iran-Contra affair, but all the blame is delegated to another nation).

I am willing to do a guerilla war this style, but remember that El Presidente ruled Venezuela with an extremely tight grip, using an assortment of CIA agents to secret police all the way to employ cocaine cartels as his personal paramilitary and intelligence.

I feel like just saying boom economic growth because capitalism is kinda dumb, many capitalist states failed to see any growth for many years after their independence: Malaysia, Indonesia, South Korea, South Vietnam, many African Nations, etc. Its not garunteed, and just cause theres US investment doesnt necessarily denote growth either, Puerto Rico received lots of investment from the United States in the 1950s, but experienced economic stagnation during that same period in the 50s.

[Sarderia]

So, after the mess, I am considering to re-form the US lore with a few differences:

• The Reconstruction process is still happening, and neither Andrew Johnson nor Ulysses S. Grant did pull out Union forces from the South. While being impeached, Johnson used the strength of the Union Army to stamp out Nathan Bedford Forrest and his colleagues in the KKK, while Ulysses S. Grant continued the effort. Eventually, Reconstruction process would be stopped, but Union troops would still be stationed in areas of predominantly African-American population to protect them from political and civil violence during the Jim Crow era (that would make a strong case in the Republican historical opposition against racism).

In Venezuela there will be several major changes:

• Venezuela is released from the US nearing the onset of World War II (around 1939). A dictator, under the name (fictional) of Anton Castillo, more popularly known as El Presidente, rules Venezuela after the US left. The nation would basically still be an US puppet, but Venezuela would have full control of its military and foreign relations, and is able to interfere with 3rd World conflicts (like Cuba and the Soviet Union). El Presidente rules with an iron fist, similar to Fidel Castro in Cuba, and the only party allowed in Venezuela would be the "National Bolivarian Party of Venezuela", and the ideology is nationalism. The economy would follow a fiscally conservative, capitalist method. It would be aligned to NATO. For the better part of the Cold War, the US would be using Venezuela as a proxy for illicit deals (think the Iran-Contra affair, but all the blame is delegated to another nation).

I am willing to do a guerilla war this style, but remember that El Presidente ruled Venezuela with an extremely tight grip, using an assortment of CIA agents to secret police all the way to employ cocaine cartels as his personal paramilitary and intelligence.

I feel like just saying boom economic growth because capitalism is kinda dumb, many capitalist states failed to see any growth for many years after their independence: Malaysia, Indonesia, South Korea, South Vietnam, many African Nations, etc. Its not garunteed, and just cause theres US investment doesnt necessarily denote growth either, Puerto Rico received lots of investment from the United States in the 1950s, but experienced economic stagnation during that same period in the 50s.

Okay then, I'll scale it down: at least their citizens are not so poor in poverty like Cuba after the Revolution.

[Greater Liverpool]

I feel like just saying boom economic growth because capitalism is kinda dumb, many capitalist states failed to see any growth for many years after their independence: Malaysia, Indonesia, South Korea, South Vietnam, many African Nations, etc. Its not garunteed, and just cause theres US investment doesnt necessarily denote growth either, Puerto Rico received lots of investment from the United States in the 1950s, but experienced economic stagnation during that same period in the 50s.

Okay then, I'll scale it down: at least their citizens are not so poor in poverty like Cuba after the Revolution.

Let the OP decide.

[Monsone]

I feel like just saying boom economic growth because capitalism is kinda dumb, many capitalist states failed to see any growth for many years after their independence: Malaysia, Indonesia, South Korea, South Vietnam, many African Nations, etc. Its not garunteed, and just cause theres US investment doesnt necessarily denote growth either, Puerto Rico received lots of investment from the United States in the 1950s, but experienced economic stagnation during that same period in the 50s.

Okay then, I'll scale it down: at least their citizens are not so poor in poverty like Cuba after the Revolution.

Ironically enough, an independent Venezuela would be richer. I think Venezuela would be as rich as IRL, but also a lot less equal than IRL in this RP at the moment.

[Monsone]

Needles to say:

No major history changes after 1900. Unless your country was colonised after 1900

I'd say this is a major change. But I'll let the OP decide.

Technically Venezuela was colonized in 1900. If it's not, I'll just roll back the date all the way to 1890

The US Army was a joke in 1890. Trapdoor rifles where still standard issue when smokeless powder bolt-action rifles where being adopted by most major powers.

My point is, the US Army would be unable to conqueror Venezuela in 1890. And would likely be unable to until after the Spanish-American War.

[The Baton Rouge Free State]

Technically Venezuela was colonized in 1900. If it's not, I'll just roll back the date all the way to 1890

The US Army was a joke in 1890. Trapdoor rifles where still standard issue when smokeless powder bolt-action rifles where being adopted by most major powers.

Remember that time in 1912 when the US army almost lost several battles to a single Mexican Cartel? Thats basically what the US was dealing with.

[Monsone]

The US Army was a joke in 1890. Trapdoor rifles where still standard issue when smokeless powder bolt-action rifles where being adopted by most major powers.

Remember that time in 1912 when the US army almost lost several battles to a single Mexican Cartel? Thats basically what the US was dealing with.

Yep. Or the time the US took casualties when seizing an uninhabited and undefended island in the Pacific during WW2.