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Are the police racist?

Yes
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No
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Other (explain below)
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Postby No State Here » Mon Jul 13, 2020 2:45 pm

The Reformed American Republic wrote:To be honest, I think some races cannot live together and as long as they do, conflict is inevitable.

Uh… no
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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Mon Jul 13, 2020 2:51 pm

Punainen Suomi wrote:
The Reformed American Republic wrote:To be honest, I think some races cannot live together and as long as they do, conflict is inevitable.

The Libertarian -> Fascist pipeline in action.

Lol. I haven't been a libertarian for a while, nor am I currently fascist. I don't even believe in establishing a white ethnostate, which is a core tenant of WN. Was it a bigoted idea to float? Perhaps, but It in my view is a valid debate to have, especially when there is racial conflict around the world. I'm not fascist, and I reject many core tenants of fascism. Also, don't fascists want purely homogeneous societies with all races separate? That's not what I want.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Mon Jul 13, 2020 2:52 pm

The Reformed American Republic wrote:
Punainen Suomi wrote:The Libertarian -> Fascist pipeline in action.

Lol. I haven't been a libertarian for a while, nor am I currently fascist. I don't even believe in establishing a white ethnostate, which is a core tenant of WN. Was it a bigoted idea to float? Perhaps, but It in my view is a valid debate to have, especially when there is racial conflict around the world. I'm not fascist, and I reject many core tenants of fascism.


There is a current racial conflict happening in america due to 300 years of slavery. It wasnt always this way and won't always be this way.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Mon Jul 13, 2020 2:53 pm

Punainen Suomi wrote:
The Reformed American Republic wrote:To be honest, I think some races cannot live together and as long as they do, conflict is inevitable.

The Libertarian -> Fascist pipeline in action.


How can something be in action when it doesn't exist?
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Postby Rojava Free State » Mon Jul 13, 2020 2:54 pm

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Without evidence? Broski just called for racial segregation and you think there isnt much evidence he has beliefs somewhat similar to white nationalists?


They didn't call for race segregation. They questioned whether certain races were capable of living together without conflict ( something I personally disagree with as I mentioned after they made the post but would never try to misrepresent them on ).

Also, you didn't say "similar to white nationalists." You said "white nationalist" without any qualifiers. Broski.

So if you want to know whether or not I agree with calling someone who asks a question like that a "white nationalist." No. No I don't.


He wonders if certain races can live together. Sounds dangerously close to white nationalism.
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Postby No State Here » Mon Jul 13, 2020 2:54 pm

Punainen Suomi wrote:
The Reformed American Republic wrote:To be honest, I think some races cannot live together and as long as they do, conflict is inevitable.

The Libertarian -> Fascist pipeline in action.

What?
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Postby Rojava Free State » Mon Jul 13, 2020 2:55 pm

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Rojava Free State wrote:
Racist? Lol, I don't think any race of people should trust the police in america, not even white people.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkZf6_jK3Zs

Long but worth a watch. Especially the second half.


Oh for sure.
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.

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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Mon Jul 13, 2020 2:55 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:
The Reformed American Republic wrote:Lol. I haven't been a libertarian for a while, nor am I currently fascist. I don't even believe in establishing a white ethnostate, which is a core tenant of WN. Was it a bigoted idea to float? Perhaps, but It in my view is a valid debate to have, especially when there is racial conflict around the world. I'm not fascist, and I reject many core tenants of fascism.


There is a current racial conflict happening in america due to 300 years of slavery. It wasnt always this way and won't always be this way.

There is plenty of racial conflict in Europe, the Middle East, as well as some other parts of the world as well. Some groups can live together, others cannot.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Mon Jul 13, 2020 2:56 pm

No State Here wrote:
Punainen Suomi wrote:The Libertarian -> Fascist pipeline in action.

What?


Certain people twist themselves into a pretzel trying to explain how an ideology that advocates minimal government is a pipeline to an ideology that advocates pure and unadulterated tyranny.
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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Mon Jul 13, 2020 2:56 pm

No State Here wrote:
Punainen Suomi wrote:The Libertarian -> Fascist pipeline in action.

What?

I'm a former libertarian, and they think I'm now fascist, so they think it proves their pipeline assumption true.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Mon Jul 13, 2020 2:57 pm

The Reformed American Republic wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
There is a current racial conflict happening in america due to 300 years of slavery. It wasnt always this way and won't always be this way.

There is plenty of racial conflict in Europe, the Middle East, as well as some other parts of the world as well. Some groups can live together, others cannot.


Some groups currently can't. I dont think there are two skin color groups that never got along.
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Mon Jul 13, 2020 3:05 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:
Punainen Suomi wrote:The Libertarian -> Fascist pipeline in action.


How can something be in action when it doesn't exist?

It exists, there are plenty of examples you can find online, and even on this forum, of various right-libertarians making steps into the AuthRight and going in that direction until they either hit fascism or fascism adjacent ideologies. Also, just because it's a thing that happens doesn't mean it's guaranteed for all libertarians to go fascist.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Mon Jul 13, 2020 3:05 pm

The Reformed American Republic wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
There is a current racial conflict happening in america due to 300 years of slavery. It wasnt always this way and won't always be this way.

There is plenty of racial conflict in Europe, the Middle East, as well as some other parts of the world as well. Some groups can live together, others cannot.


Whites and whites certainly can't live together. Just look at Northern Ireland.

Or perhaps there is more to it than skin colour. Nah, that can't be right. I'm sure your incredibly simplistic view is right. Nuance is for cucks and communists.

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Postby Rojava Free State » Mon Jul 13, 2020 3:07 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
The Reformed American Republic wrote:There is plenty of racial conflict in Europe, the Middle East, as well as some other parts of the world as well. Some groups can live together, others cannot.


Whites and whites certainly can't live together. Just look at Northern Ireland.

Or perhaps there is more to it than skin colour. Nah, that can't be right. I'm sure your incredibly simplistic view is right. Nuance is for cucks and communists.


Technically speaking that was a racial conflict between Nordic people and the horrible Mediterranean celts...according to racial theorists that people stopped taking seriously in the 20th century.
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Postby Stellar Colonies » Mon Jul 13, 2020 3:11 pm

The poll is certainly neck and neck.
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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Mon Jul 13, 2020 3:16 pm

If you truly want to know why I floated that viewpoint, it was because I wanted to play this. I was interested in the discussion it would spring up.
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Postby Greed and Death » Mon Jul 13, 2020 3:16 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
The Reformed American Republic wrote:There is plenty of racial conflict in Europe, the Middle East, as well as some other parts of the world as well. Some groups can live together, others cannot.


Whites and whites certainly can't live together. Just look at Northern Ireland.

Or perhaps there is more to it than skin colour. Nah, that can't be right. I'm sure your incredibly simplistic view is right. Nuance is for cucks and communists.


whites and black people are natural enemies just like whites and brown people, and whites and native Americans, and Whites and other whites. Damn white people they ruined whiteness.

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Postby Vassenor » Mon Jul 13, 2020 3:24 pm

The Reformed American Republic wrote:If you truly want to know why I floated that viewpoint, it was because I wanted to play this. I was interested in the discussion it would spring up.


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Postby Punainen Suomi » Mon Jul 13, 2020 3:36 pm

The Reformed American Republic wrote:
Punainen Suomi wrote:The Libertarian -> Fascist pipeline in action.

Lol. I haven't been a libertarian for a while, nor am I currently fascist. I don't even believe in establishing a white ethnostate, which is a core tenant of WN. Was it a bigoted idea to float? Perhaps, but It in my view is a valid debate to have, especially when there is racial conflict around the world. I'm not fascist, and I reject many core tenants of fascism. Also, don't fascists want purely homogeneous societies with all races separate? That's not what I want.

You may not be a fascist yet, but your admittance of being a former Libertarian and presently a nationalist combined with that particular statement seems to indicate that you are moving in a particular direction, wouldn't you agree? You're certainly not moving in a direction that promotes ideas of liberty (as flawed as I personally find that interpretation). We'll see where you go from here, although your back-pedalling is also noted
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No State Here wrote:What?


Certain people twist themselves into a pretzel trying to explain how an ideology that advocates minimal government is a pipeline to an ideology that advocates pure and unadulterated tyranny.
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I'm not suggesting that all libertarians will eventually become fascists, there are certainly many who stick with their ideals. But it cannot be denied that modern fascist movements are home to a fair few people who have previously identified themselves as libertarians, ancaps or something similar.
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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Mon Jul 13, 2020 3:50 pm

Punainen Suomi wrote:We'll see where you go from here...

I'm going nowhere because...
The Reformed American Republic wrote:If you truly want to know why I floated that viewpoint, it was because I wanted to play this. I was interested in the discussion it would spring up.


I was playing devil's advocate. I only floated the idea to start a discussion, not because I actually have the goal of separating races. Yes, I'm a nationalist, but I'm a civic nationalist, and I have always been one, even during my time as a libertarian. The only reason why I abandoned libertarianism was do to the realization that it would lead to unfettered oligarchic rule by robber barons. I mix American civic nationalism with social democratic economics.

Edit: Also, I just noticed you are a Maoist. Your ideology isn't better than fascism btw.

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Do people still believe this bullshit BLM lie? If anything the BLM movement is racist itself, everyone that thinks the police is racist then you are an retard.

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Postby Uiiop » Mon Jul 13, 2020 4:09 pm

The Reformed American Republic wrote:If you truly want to know why I floated that viewpoint, it was because I wanted to play this. I was interested in the discussion it would spring up.

If you're honest then you should already have known that people wouldn't take up that discussion especially with such a poor defense .
Such stating such an absurd claim and going with vague mutterings to support is trash argumentation.
Why even bother when one only quarter-asses it?
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Postby Atheris » Mon Jul 13, 2020 4:40 pm

The Reformed American Republic wrote:To be honest, I think some races cannot live together and as long as they do, conflict is inevitable.

*points to america*
*points to iran*
*points to india*
*points to brazil*
not you, china
*points to mexico*
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Postby Stellar Colonies » Mon Jul 13, 2020 6:16 pm

Atheris wrote:
The Reformed American Republic wrote:To be honest, I think some races cannot live together and as long as they do, conflict is inevitable.

*points to america*
*points to iran*
*points to india*
*points to brazil*
not you, china
*points to mexico*

Singapore too, probably.

Although they aren't that nice towards their migrant workers.
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Postby Aureumterra » Mon Jul 13, 2020 6:50 pm

Punainen Suomi wrote:
The Reformed American Republic wrote:To be honest, I think some races cannot live together and as long as they do, conflict is inevitable.

The Libertarian -> Fascist pipeline in action.

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Postby Vassenor » Tue Jul 14, 2020 12:16 am

Uiiop wrote:
The Reformed American Republic wrote:If you truly want to know why I floated that viewpoint, it was because I wanted to play this. I was interested in the discussion it would spring up.

If you're honest then you should already have known that people wouldn't take up that discussion especially with such a poor defense .
Such stating such an absurd claim and going with vague mutterings to support is trash argumentation.
Why even bother when one only quarter-asses it?


Hiding behind "devil's advocate" or "just asking questions" seems like a pretty common defence when called out for shitty views.
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