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by Kannap » Sun Jul 12, 2020 8:00 pm
Luna Amore wrote:Please remember to attend the ritualistic burning of Kannap for heresy
by Greed and Death » Sun Jul 12, 2020 8:01 pm
by Kannap » Sun Jul 12, 2020 8:01 pm
Luna Amore wrote:Please remember to attend the ritualistic burning of Kannap for heresy
by Greed and Death » Sun Jul 12, 2020 8:02 pm
by Organized States » Sun Jul 12, 2020 8:04 pm
by Greed and Death » Sun Jul 12, 2020 8:11 pm
Organized States wrote:Kannap wrote:
Better start cutting budgets where you can. For example, does the NYPD really need $89 billion a year?
It doesn't. I hate to say it this way (and trust me, people might take this the completely the wrong way), but there's been a significant amount of investment since 9/11 into counter-terrorism and counter-terrorism surveillance by the NYPD. These functions are definitely more than covered by Federal authorities and represent a massive bloat to the NYPD's mission and budget.
by 95X » Sun Jul 12, 2020 8:13 pm
Nation not my RL views, etc.
Poe's Law. Nonpartisan.
by Organized States » Sun Jul 12, 2020 8:15 pm
Greed and Death wrote:Organized States wrote:It doesn't. I hate to say it this way (and trust me, people might take this the completely the wrong way), but there's been a significant amount of investment since 9/11 into counter-terrorism and counter-terrorism surveillance by the NYPD. These functions are definitely more than covered by Federal authorities and represent a massive bloat to the NYPD's mission and budget.
Both wrong.
NYPD's budget is only 10 billion and half of that is for pensions and other benefits.
https://cbcny.org/research/seven-facts- ... for%20debt
by Post War America » Sun Jul 12, 2020 8:21 pm
San Lumen wrote:Post War America wrote:
States often do fund projects for reasons other than generating revenue. Germany subsidizes filmmaking for cultural as well as monetary reasons, and the US as much as it nominally hates public spending dumps about three quarters of a trillion dollars every year into the financial black hole that is its Armed Forces.
A theatre production or concert should therefore be unprofitable and not have the money to pay the production costs or the salaries of those involved in the show? Its as if your trying to espouse an ideology here and refuse to listen to facts and deny reality.
Gravlen wrote:The famous Bowling Green Massacre is yesterday's news. Today it's all about the Cricket Blue Carnage. Tomorrow it'll be about the Curling Yellow Annihilation.
by Greed and Death » Sun Jul 12, 2020 8:21 pm
by San Lumen » Sun Jul 12, 2020 8:22 pm
Post War America wrote:San Lumen wrote:
A theatre production or concert should therefore be unprofitable and not have the money to pay the production costs or the salaries of those involved in the show? Its as if your trying to espouse an ideology here and refuse to listen to facts and deny reality.
No sir I'm saying that with state backing whether or not they turn a profit would be irrelevant. If the do great, if not... at least they still provide value to culture.
As for ideology I have fairly consistently espoused the notion that things should not be valued solely on their ability to generate profits for Capitalists. This is not an unrealistic notion either as Capitalism has existed for only a few hundred years at most, and even broader systemic hierarchies have dominated for a small percentage of humanity's time on Ear th. What I fail to grasp is how you can be so bull headed as to ignore this and any proposal other than returning to what you seek normal as either unrealistic or apocalyptic in nature.
by Australian rePublic » Sun Jul 12, 2020 8:24 pm
San Lumen wrote:Kannap wrote:
For theatres to reopen without social distancing, people will have to die and spread the virus. How many people dying and having the virus is acceptable for these places to reopen?
They wont be because they can't make a profit therefore Billy is hung out to dry by the government because they wont give the arts a penny. He has to possibly give up on his career and the one place he can be himself and go work a desk job completely miserable.
by San Lumen » Sun Jul 12, 2020 8:26 pm
Australian rePublic wrote:San Lumen wrote:They wont be because they can't make a profit therefore Billy is hung out to dry by the government because they wont give the arts a penny. He has to possibly give up on his career and the one place he can be himself and go work a desk job completely miserable.
The government doesn't have millions of dollars for everything. If the economy remains closed indefinitely, sooner or later, the economy will turn to shit, and we'll have another great depression. Soon, people won't be able to afford to go to restaurants or buy luxury items. Soon, people won't be able to afford to go on holidays. Then all restaurant employees are fucked, and all accommodation providers are fucked. Small businesses are fucked, and everybody's fucked. The government doesn't have an unlimited budget to give to the arts
by Kannap » Sun Jul 12, 2020 8:34 pm
San Lumen wrote:Australian rePublic wrote:The government doesn't have millions of dollars for everything. If the economy remains closed indefinitely, sooner or later, the economy will turn to shit, and we'll have another great depression. Soon, people won't be able to afford to go to restaurants or buy luxury items. Soon, people won't be able to afford to go on holidays. Then all restaurant employees are fucked, and all accommodation providers are fucked. Small businesses are fucked, and everybody's fucked. The government doesn't have an unlimited budget to give to the arts
I dont disagree with you but some dont want to hear that and think social distancing, limited capacity and banning large events is feasible for as long we want to be
Luna Amore wrote:Please remember to attend the ritualistic burning of Kannap for heresy
by San Lumen » Sun Jul 12, 2020 8:36 pm
Kannap wrote:San Lumen wrote:
I dont disagree with you but some dont want to hear that and think social distancing, limited capacity and banning large events is feasible for as long we want to be
See, your mistake is thinking we want to do all this shit. Welcome to the real world, its not all sunshine and daisies and sometimes you have to make hard decisions, sometimes you have to suck it up and deal with mild inconvenience for a short while. If face masks, social distancing, limited capacity, and the lack of large crowded events for the next year until we have a vaccine is what it takes to minimize the spread and death toll of this virus, then so be it.
by Post War America » Sun Jul 12, 2020 8:39 pm
San Lumen wrote:Post War America wrote:
No sir I'm saying that with state backing whether or not they turn a profit would be irrelevant. If the do great, if not... at least they still provide value to culture.
As for ideology I have fairly consistently espoused the notion that things should not be valued solely on their ability to generate profits for Capitalists. This is not an unrealistic notion either as Capitalism has existed for only a few hundred years at most, and even broader systemic hierarchies have dominated for a small percentage of humanity's time on Ear th. What I fail to grasp is how you can be so bull headed as to ignore this and any proposal other than returning to what you seek normal as either unrealistic or apocalyptic in nature.
And Australian Republic already explained to you how that is not feasible
This is what they wrote: And where's the state gonna get the money? Concerts and big events bring in tourism. Without them, the entire industry would be screwed, which would have a flow on effect on the whole damned economy through the tourism multiplier effect. I can explain the tourism multiplier effect if you want. No government would sibsidise a concert from a foreign musician if this concert will bring less money to the economy than it otherwise would have
Gravlen wrote:The famous Bowling Green Massacre is yesterday's news. Today it's all about the Cricket Blue Carnage. Tomorrow it'll be about the Curling Yellow Annihilation.
by Greed and Death » Sun Jul 12, 2020 8:39 pm
San Lumen wrote:Kannap wrote:
See, your mistake is thinking we want to do all this shit. Welcome to the real world, its not all sunshine and daisies and sometimes you have to make hard decisions, sometimes you have to suck it up and deal with mild inconvenience for a short while. If face masks, social distancing, limited capacity, and the lack of large crowded events for the next year until we have a vaccine is what it takes to minimize the spread and death toll of this virus, then so be it.
That's if we can get a vaccine which im hopeful we can. The CDC said the article that sparked this conversation is nonsense
by Australian rePublic » Sun Jul 12, 2020 8:45 pm
San Lumen wrote:Post War America wrote:
No sir I'm saying that with state backing whether or not they turn a profit would be irrelevant. If the do great, if not... at least they still provide value to culture.
As for ideology I have fairly consistently espoused the notion that things should not be valued solely on their ability to generate profits for Capitalists. This is not an unrealistic notion either as Capitalism has existed for only a few hundred years at most, and even broader systemic hierarchies have dominated for a small percentage of humanity's time on Ear th. What I fail to grasp is how you can be so bull headed as to ignore this and any proposal other than returning to what you seek normal as either unrealistic or apocalyptic in nature.
And Australian Republic already explained to you how that is not feasible
This is what they wrote: And where's the state gonna get the money? Concerts and big events bring in tourism. Without them, the entire industry would be screwed, which would have a flow on effect on the whole damned economy through the tourism multiplier effect. I can explain the tourism multiplier effect if you want. No government would sibsidise a concert from a foreign musician if this concert will bring less money to the economy than it otherwise would have
by San Lumen » Sun Jul 12, 2020 8:45 pm
Post War America wrote:San Lumen wrote:And Australian Republic already explained to you how that is not feasible
This is what they wrote: And where's the state gonna get the money? Concerts and big events bring in tourism. Without them, the entire industry would be screwed, which would have a flow on effect on the whole damned economy through the tourism multiplier effect. I can explain the tourism multiplier effect if you want. No government would sibsidise a concert from a foreign musician if this concert will bring less money to the economy than it otherwise would have
It seems you are a master of ignoring inconvenient points once again. The whole fucking point of state subsidies is to keep public goods that cannot generate a profit operating. As the US government is the owner of a sovereign fiat currency, it literally has however much money it needs to have because quite frankly, no debt holder on planet Earth is going to try and call the US' debt, and most other countries that use the dollar couldn't stand up to a US invasion. Its a pretty similar situation with the RMB, the Pound Sterling, and the Euro at the very least.
To put it even more fucking bluntly, the broader systemic change I keep pushing is one where money itself would be a totally irrelevant concept, and I am merely trying to come up with ways to preserve the system with the smallest changes possible rather than tossing the whole god damn thing out and establishing a post-capitalist society. I am doing this because apparently you are to intellectually lazy to come up solutions on your own and rather than contribute anything productive to this fucking discussion you insist on whinging about the end of the god damn world because certain industries you like are facing, entirely avoidable, hard times, and poopooing any possible fucking solutions.
by Post War America » Sun Jul 12, 2020 8:48 pm
San Lumen wrote:Post War America wrote:
It seems you are a master of ignoring inconvenient points once again. The whole fucking point of state subsidies is to keep public goods that cannot generate a profit operating. As the US government is the owner of a sovereign fiat currency, it literally has however much money it needs to have because quite frankly, no debt holder on planet Earth is going to try and call the US' debt, and most other countries that use the dollar couldn't stand up to a US invasion. Its a pretty similar situation with the RMB, the Pound Sterling, and the Euro at the very least.
To put it even more fucking bluntly, the broader systemic change I keep pushing is one where money itself would be a totally irrelevant concept, and I am merely trying to come up with ways to preserve the system with the smallest changes possible rather than tossing the whole god damn thing out and establishing a post-capitalist society. I am doing this because apparently you are to intellectually lazy to come up solutions on your own and rather than contribute anything productive to this fucking discussion you insist on whinging about the end of the god damn world because certain industries you like are facing, entirely avoidable, hard times, and poopooing any possible fucking solutions.
And the solution you proposed is not feasible but you chose to ignore and instead espouse your ideology and not listen to facts.
Gravlen wrote:The famous Bowling Green Massacre is yesterday's news. Today it's all about the Cricket Blue Carnage. Tomorrow it'll be about the Curling Yellow Annihilation.
by Australian rePublic » Sun Jul 12, 2020 8:49 pm
Post War America wrote:San Lumen wrote:And Australian Republic already explained to you how that is not feasible
This is what they wrote: And where's the state gonna get the money? Concerts and big events bring in tourism. Without them, the entire industry would be screwed, which would have a flow on effect on the whole damned economy through the tourism multiplier effect. I can explain the tourism multiplier effect if you want. No government would sibsidise a concert from a foreign musician if this concert will bring less money to the economy than it otherwise would have
It seems you are a master of ignoring inconvenient points once again. The whole fucking point of state subsidies is to keep public goods that cannot generate a profit operating. As the US government is the owner of a sovereign fiat currency, it literally has however much money it needs to have because quite frankly, no debt holder on planet Earth is going to try and call the US' debt, and most other countries that use the dollar couldn't stand up to a US invasion. Its a pretty similar situation with the RMB, the Pound Sterling, and the Euro at the very least.
To put it even more fucking bluntly, the broader systemic change I keep pushing is one where money itself would be a totally irrelevant concept, and I am merely trying to come up with ways to preserve the system with the smallest changes possible rather than tossing the whole god damn thing out and establishing a post-capitalist society. I am doing this because apparently you are to intellectually lazy to come up solutions on your own and rather than contribute anything productive to this fucking discussion you insist on whinging about the end of the god damn world because certain industries you like are facing, entirely avoidable, hard times, and poopooing any possible fucking solutions.
by Post War America » Sun Jul 12, 2020 8:51 pm
Australian rePublic wrote:Post War America wrote:
It seems you are a master of ignoring inconvenient points once again. The whole fucking point of state subsidies is to keep public goods that cannot generate a profit operating. As the US government is the owner of a sovereign fiat currency, it literally has however much money it needs to have because quite frankly, no debt holder on planet Earth is going to try and call the US' debt, and most other countries that use the dollar couldn't stand up to a US invasion. Its a pretty similar situation with the RMB, the Pound Sterling, and the Euro at the very least.
To put it even more fucking bluntly, the broader systemic change I keep pushing is one where money itself would be a totally irrelevant concept, and I am merely trying to come up with ways to preserve the system with the smallest changes possible rather than tossing the whole god damn thing out and establishing a post-capitalist society. I am doing this because apparently you are to intellectually lazy to come up solutions on your own and rather than contribute anything productive to this fucking discussion you insist on whinging about the end of the god damn world because certain industries you like are facing, entirely avoidable, hard times, and poopooing any possible fucking solutions.
And where are you gonna get the money from? No country has infinite coffers
Gravlen wrote:The famous Bowling Green Massacre is yesterday's news. Today it's all about the Cricket Blue Carnage. Tomorrow it'll be about the Curling Yellow Annihilation.
by San Lumen » Sun Jul 12, 2020 8:53 pm
Post War America wrote:Australian rePublic wrote:And where are you gonna get the money from? No country has infinite coffers
Most countries operate with a fiat currency you know. That means they can print additional money in situations where the economy needs additional spending. For somebody who insists on quoting out of their Econ textbook I'm surprised you haven't read that yet.
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