Cold War RP III (Closed.)

[Slaver Pirates of Vaas]

So, we're mostly resetting the RP if I'm not mistaken correct? If we are, then I'm gonna reapp my previous nation.

Sarderia, unless you have any objections, my previous nation had a hold of some of those Caribbean islands.

You could take Sint Maarten or other Dutch Islands, or the French possessions if Monsone allowed. The Caribbean is already an US state.

I find them being turned into US states to be a very peculiar event, considering they don't possess the economy nor population to be given that high of status.

The islands I'm claiming specifically are Barbados, Saint Lucia, and Saint Vincent fyi

[HypErcApitAl]

So, we're mostly resetting the RP if I'm not mistaken correct? If we are, then I'm gonna reapp my previous nation.

Sarderia, unless you have any objections, my previous nation had a hold of some of those Caribbean islands.

YES

MY MAN IS HERE

VAAS THE DON

[Sarderia]

You could take Sint Maarten or other Dutch Islands, or the French possessions if Monsone allowed. The Caribbean is already an US state.

I find them being turned into US states to be a very peculiar event, considering they don't possess the economy nor population to be given that high of status.

The islands I'm claiming specifically are Barbados, Saint Lucia, and Saint Vincent fyi

Originally I planned those islands to be grouped with larger ex-British colonies, such as Trinidad and Tobago, Antigua and Barbuda, Virgin Islands, Dominica, and Grenada. But you can have St Lucia.

[Arvenia]

Is this a literal reboot? I thought it was supposed to be a continuation of the previous OOC thread.

[HypErcApitAl]

Is this a literal reboot? I thought it was supposed to be a continuation of the previous OOC thread.

Either/or. I mean, I'm not rping Polaria this time, so they don't exist in this version (as history cannot change before 1900 and Polaria changes alot of things w/ their existence)

[Arvenia]

I find it really difficult to pick a nation for this RP. Which nation should I be?

[Sarderia]

Is this a literal reboot? I thought it was supposed to be a continuation of the previous OOC thread.

This is neither a continuation nor a reboot. Mathuvan took FWM's template, but as far as I know FWM never sanctioned it officially. FWM ended the previous roleplay and told the players to make another one. This is a completely different roleplay with the same premise.

[Mathuvan Union]

Is this a literal reboot? I thought it was supposed to be a continuation of the previous OOC thread.

This is neither a continuation nor a reboot. Mathuvan took FWM's template, but as far as I know FWM never sanctioned it officially. FWM ended the previous roleplay and told the players to make another one. This is a completely different roleplay with the same premise.

A few things are different, but yes, effectively.
I actually telegrammed you about it.

[Mathuvan Union]

Country Name: Vanguard Republic
Fictional or Real: Fictional
Head of State: President Yumi Sung

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Government Type: Authoritarian Democracy
Capital: Pyongyang
GDP: 17.24 in 2020 currency
Population: 67,897,552
Location: Korea (both North and South), Manchuria (Manchukuo)
History: Pyongyang, the ancestral capitol of the Vanguards, and remaining the capitol of the Vanguard Republic. The Vanguard Republic, in its past, used to be the "Vanguard Kingdom," until reformatting into a Democracy, though entrusting its Presidents w/ the old powers of the Princess (technically they were a Principality, but still) in which every president all the way to Yumi has championed the people and protected them, though ofcourse giving them many freedoms.

The Vanguards have stood the test of Time, though now the Soviets threaten them and their way-of-life, so they immediately joined NATO, seeing it as a shield (though not particularly keen on the Americans)

There is a vice-president, (Alyssa Chi-Song)

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though she functions as a figurehead but also the "Conduit of the People."

The Vanguards are also referred to as "Daikorea," and they also use this:

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as their flag.

Vanguard was occupied by the Japanese as a vassal, and now harbor hate and resentment for the japanese (which are surprisingly a US ally)

National Animal/Symbol: Vanguard Pheonix
Faction: NATO, also leans more to France and Europe

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I assume that Korea didn’t split up?
Monsone is this a rule violation?

[Mathuvan Union]

Country Name: United States of America

Fictional or Real: Semi-Real (Alt-History)

Head of State: President Harry S. Truman (D)

Government Type: Federal Constitutional Representative Democracy

Capital: Washington, District of Columbia

GDP: US$ 304 Billion (2020 dollars)

Population: 152,3 million

Location: U.S. proper (incl. all US territories, Puerto Rico, Alaska and Hawaii), Canadian Maritime Provinces (NS, NB, and PEI), Dominican Republic, British Caribbean Islands (St. Kitts and Nevis, Barbados, etc.), Gran Colombia (Panama, Colombia and Venezuela)

History: Points of Divergence:

• There are much more Patriots than Loyalists in the American Revolution, that means less refugees fleeing into Canada.
• The US won the War of 1812 courtesy ot strong public opinion and preparedness. There are revolts in Canada that supported the US troops. In the peace agreement, the remaining British Atlantic colonies (Canadian Maritime Provinces) and the sugar-producing Caribbean islands are transferred to the US.
• Congress ratified Dominican Republic President Buenaventura Baez's proposal to admit the DR into the United States, sent to President Ulysses S. Grant.
• Under the threat of US invasion, and also internal political instability, Colombia agreed to sell the entirety of the Panama isthmus to President Theodore Roosevelt's government.
• After funding the coups in Nicaragua, the US turned to Colombia again. General António Rafael de la Vega successfully overthrow the Colombian government in a 1913 coup. Sponsored by the US, de la Vega's government launched a surprise attack to Venezuela, in addition to funding another coup there. Gran Colombia is granted status as an U.S. protectorate.

Faction: North Atlantic Treaty Organization

Uh oh spaghettio!
Rule violation - no major changes to history after 1900
Also you are waayyyy to huge for a country that is completely different to what it was irl.

[Mathuvan Union]

Mathuvan, I think Australia claiming Malaysia and Singapore might be plausible, but Australia having Dutch East Indies and Indochina is not. Indonesia is a Dutch colony while Indochina is a French colony, and the UK is basically allied to those two countries during the later part of the 18t Century.

They were freed by the French, had you looked at Monsones history
I will be backing out of Indochina. For now.

IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT, PEOPLE
A) AUSTRALIA DOESNT HAVE ANY PART OF INDOCHINA
B) THE IC WILL BE UP LATER IN THE DAY!!!

[Mathuvan Union]

I find them being turned into US states to be a very peculiar event, considering they don't possess the economy nor population to be given that high of status.

The islands I'm claiming specifically are Barbados, Saint Lucia, and Saint Vincent fyi

Originally I planned those islands to be grouped with larger ex-British colonies, such as Trinidad and Tobago, Antigua and Barbuda, Virgin Islands, Dominica, and Grenada. But you can have St Lucia.

You know there are these things called the British Virgin Islands, and, BRITAIN OWNS THEM.

You may be allies, but that’s like Britain saying Ireland is theirs.

[Mathuvan Union]

Specify what countries. Who is “losif stalin’? And your population is way to high.

rejected. Try again.

Census of the Soviet Union. You’ll see that I’ve actually rounded down.

That is the Russian spelling of the name. You know, because the Soviet Union is primarily Russia, especially with Stalin in charge. However, if Jospeh Stalin makes you feel better, then there.

Do I REALLY need to specify which countries? (mind you, calling for example the Tajik region a country is meta gaming)

Ugh, here we go.

Russian Soviet Federated Socialist Republic
Karelo-Finnish SSR
Lithuanian SSR
Latvian SSR
Estonian SSR
Belorussian SSR
Ukrainian SSR
Moldavian SSR
Georgian SSR
Armenian SSR
Azerbaidzhan SSR
Uzbek SSR
Turkmen SSR
Tadjik SSR
Kirghiz SSR
Kazakh SSR

Better?

Yes and no. You put yourself to hard work, when I meant, a more accurate description than East Europe and Eurasia. Literally just saying for location ‘USSR’ would have been fine.

[Mathuvan Union]

Waiting to show our soccer superiority during the 1950 FIFA World Cup

Urugay won IRL in 1950.

And frankly, Brasil sucked like hell until Pelé came about.

[Sarderia]

Originally I planned those islands to be grouped with larger ex-British colonies, such as Trinidad and Tobago, Antigua and Barbuda, Virgin Islands, Dominica, and Grenada. But you can have St Lucia.

You know there are these things called the British Virgin Islands, and, BRITAIN OWNS THEM.

You may be allies, but that’s like Britain saying Ireland is theirs.

Yeah, but in this history the US owns it after the War of 1812. I can drop it if you want though.

[Sarderia]

Country Name: United States of America

Fictional or Real: Semi-Real (Alt-History)

Head of State: President Harry S. Truman (D)

Government Type: Federal Constitutional Representative Democracy

Capital: Washington, District of Columbia

GDP: US$ 304 Billion (2020 dollars)

Population: 152,3 million

Location: U.S. proper (incl. all US territories, Puerto Rico, Alaska and Hawaii), Canadian Maritime Provinces (NS, NB, and PEI), Caribbean Islands (St. Kitts and Nevis, Anguilla, Antigua and Barbuda), Dominican Republic, Panama, and Venezuela

History: Points of Divergence:

• There are much more Patriots than Loyalists in the American Revolution, that means less refugees fleeing into Canada.
• The US won the War of 1812 courtesy ot strong public opinion and preparedness. There are revolts in Canada that supported the US troops. In the peace agreement, the remaining British Atlantic colonies (Canadian Maritime Provinces) and the sugar-producing Caribbean islands are transferred to the US.
• Congress ratified Dominican Republic President Buenaventura Baez's proposal to admit the DR into the United States, sent to President Ulysses S. Grant.
• In 1886, President Chester A. Arthur backed the Liberal faction in the Estados Unidos de Colombia, the form of Colombian government at that time, to prevent the Conservatives from gaining power and reforming the country. A coup by General Rafael Andrés de la Vega was carried out by US help, subsequently installing a puppet government. Further in 1889, President Arthur's administration supported ex-Presisent Joaquín Crespo's coup against Juan Pablo Rojas Paul's administration. The President tasked the newly-formed Squadron of Evolution to bombard Maracaibo and landed US troops, moving in concert with Crespo's supporters and eventually supplanted the Venezuelan government with Crespo as President. On 1892, both Colombia and Venezuela are made US territories. However, Colombia was granted independence under another puppet government on 1895.
• Under the threat of US invasion, and also internal political instability, Colombia agreed to sell the entirety of the Panama isthmus to President Theodore Roosevelt's government.

Faction: North Atlantic Treaty Organization

[Fennoscandia Union]

Country Name: Fourth Brazilian Republic
Fictional or Real: Real
Head of State: Eurico Gaspar Dutra
Government Type: Multi-Party Republic
Capital: Rio de Janeiro
GDP: $13 billion
Population: 52 million
Location: Historical Brazil
History: RL History
Faction: Non-Aligned

Can I change my history to: History: RL History until 1947 where the Salte Plan receives a significant amount of funding from the budget after it was proposed.

[Minskiev]

Well Mathuvan has addressed my nation, I’ve fixed errors they pointed out, and changed it to their liking. I’m going to assume I’m accepted, unless told otherwise.

[Fennoscandia Union]

Also, remove Hokkaido, Finland, North Korea and that part of Norway and Sweden. from your claim. It's impossible the US would let Japan to be split.

Do you still have these places.

[Fennoscandia Union]

Urugay won IRL in 1950.

And frankly, Brasil sucked like hell until Pelé came about.

We were 1 game away from winning the 1950 FIFA World Cup, and we were the favorites. It is viewed as one of the largest upsets in football history.

[Monsone]

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I assume that Korea didn’t split up?
Monsone is this a rule violation?

Not really. Korea should have remained united, and there is only a Korean people (North and South Korea are just nationalities). Plus it is a pretty minor change that might delete the Korean war, but gives the USSR a western aligned nation on it's border, which is likely enough to start something similar to the Korean war. Or the solution is the Communist Party of Vanguard is controlled by the USSR and the Korean Peoples army is still a thing. I also thing joining NATO is a no, since the USA would create SEATO for Asia.

[Slaver Pirates of Vaas]

Country Name: The Pirate State of Vaas
Fictional or Real: Fictional
Head of State: Vaas (no known last name)
Government Type: State Capitalism
Capital: Castries in Saint Lucia
GDP: Unknown, but estimates suggest that at least 75 million USD(1950) in black market cash is funneled through the country and government.
Population: 569,921
Location: The Caribbean islands of Barbados, Saint Lucia, and Saint Vincent
History: During World War Two, the colonial hold on the islands of the Caribbean had grown quite weak and a lack of Allied military presence allowed for an "opportunistic entrepreneur" to take control of some of the islands. This "entrepreneur" is named Vaas, a Brazilian gangster and drug trafficker that has known affiliations with many prominent militant groups and crime families throughout Latin America. Recognizing the vast importance of holding full control of a few islands off the mainland, Vaas uses his connections to militant groups and Brazilian gangsters to effectively occupy and administrate these islands. Over time, Vaas establishes a capitalist government to extract the wealth of the Caribbean people and the drug trade that is bound for developed nations like the United States. While Vaas is indifferent about the massive shift in politics in the world following the war, it is believed that, for the right price, Vaas can again utilize his large army of pirates to hamper trade routes flowing through the Gulf of Mexico or conduct operations in foreign countries. Rumors have also spread about Vaas's ability to influence small Latin American governments and some go so far as to suggest that Vaas has the power to actually topple some of these governments and install shadow puppets to do his bidding.
Faction: Non-allied

[Monsone]

Country Name: United States of America

Fictional or Real: Semi-Real (Alt-History)

Head of State: President Harry S. Truman (D)

Government Type: Federal Constitutional Representative Democracy

Capital: Washington, District of Columbia

GDP: US$ 304 Billion (2020 dollars)

Population: 152,3 million

Location: U.S. proper (incl. all US territories, Puerto Rico, Alaska and Hawaii), Canadian Maritime Provinces (NS, NB, and PEI), Caribbean Islands (St. Kitts and Nevis, Anguilla, Antigua and Barbuda), Dominican Republic, Panama, and Venezuela

History: Points of Divergence:

• There are much more Patriots than Loyalists in the American Revolution, that means less refugees fleeing into Canada.
• The US won the War of 1812 courtesy ot strong public opinion and preparedness. There are revolts in Canada that supported the US troops. In the peace agreement, the remaining British Atlantic colonies (Canadian Maritime Provinces) and the sugar-producing Caribbean islands are transferred to the US.
• Congress ratified Dominican Republic President Buenaventura Baez's proposal to admit the DR into the United States, sent to President Ulysses S. Grant.
• In 1886, President Chester A. Arthur backed the Liberal faction in the Estados Unidos de Colombia, the form of Colombian government at that time, to prevent the Conservatives from gaining power and reforming the country. A coup by General Rafael Andrés de la Vega was carried out by US help, subsequently installing a puppet government. Further in 1889, President Arthur's administration supported ex-Presisent Joaquín Crespo's coup against Juan Pablo Rojas Paul's administration. The President tasked the newly-formed Squadron of Evolution to bombard Maracaibo and landed US troops, moving in concert with Crespo's supporters and eventually supplanted the Venezuelan government with Crespo as President. On 1892, both Colombia and Venezuela are made US territories. However, Colombia was granted independence under another puppet government on 1895.
• Under the threat of US invasion, and also internal political instability, Colombia agreed to sell the entirety of the Panama isthmus to President Theodore Roosevelt's government.

Faction: North Atlantic Treaty Organization

Mostly good. But turning Venezuela and Colombia into colonies and keeping Venezuela is unrealistic. Venezuela is the home of Simon Bolivar, and in being so, Venezuela has a strong national identity. Because of this, they would never stand to be a part of America. The puppet governments are realistic, but they are long gone by now.

[Mathuvan Union]

Country Name: The Pirate State of Vaas
Fictional or Real: Fictional
Head of State: Vaas (no known last name)
Government Type: State Capitalism
Capital: Castries in Saint Lucia
GDP: Unknown, but estimates suggest that at least 75 million USD(1950) in black market cash is funneled through the country and government.
Population: 569,921
Location: The Caribbean islands of Barbados, Saint Lucia, and Saint Vincent
History: During World War Two, the colonial hold on the islands of the Caribbean had grown quite weak and a lack of Allied military presence allowed for an "opportunistic entrepreneur" to take control of some of the islands. This "entrepreneur" is named Vaas, a Brazilian gangster and drug trafficker that has known affiliations with many prominent militant groups and crime families throughout Latin America. Recognizing the vast importance of holding full control of a few islands off the mainland, Vaas uses his connections to militant groups and Brazilian gangsters to effectively occupy and administrate these islands. Over time, Vaas establishes a capitalist government to extract the wealth of the Caribbean people and the drug trade that is bound for developed nations like the United States. While Vaas is indifferent about the massive shift in politics in the world following the war, it is believed that, for the right price, Vaas can again utilize his large army of pirates to hamper trade routes flowing through the Gulf of Mexico or conduct operations in foreign countries. Rumors have also spread about Vaas's ability to influence small Latin American governments and some go so far as to suggest that Vaas has the power to actually topple some of these governments and install shadow puppets to do his bidding.
Faction: Non-allied

Accepted

[Sarderia]

Country Name: United States of America

Fictional or Real: Semi-Real (Alt-History)

Head of State: President Harry S. Truman (D)

Government Type: Federal Constitutional Representative Democracy

Capital: Washington, District of Columbia

GDP: US$ 304 Billion (2020 dollars)

Population: 152,3 million

Location: U.S. proper (incl. all US territories, Puerto Rico, Alaska and Hawaii), Canadian Maritime Provinces (NS, NB, and PEI), Caribbean Islands (St. Kitts and Nevis, Anguilla, Antigua and Barbuda), Dominican Republic, Panama, and Venezuela

History: Points of Divergence:

• There are much more Patriots than Loyalists in the American Revolution, that means less refugees fleeing into Canada.
• The US won the War of 1812 courtesy ot strong public opinion and preparedness. There are revolts in Canada that supported the US troops. In the peace agreement, the remaining British Atlantic colonies (Canadian Maritime Provinces) and the sugar-producing Caribbean islands are transferred to the US.
• Congress ratified Dominican Republic President Buenaventura Baez's proposal to admit the DR into the United States, sent to President Ulysses S. Grant.
• In 1886, President Chester A. Arthur backed the Liberal faction in the Estados Unidos de Colombia, the form of Colombian government at that time, to prevent the Conservatives from gaining power and reforming the country. A coup by General Rafael Andrés de la Vega was carried out by US help, subsequently installing a puppet government. Further in 1889, President Arthur's administration supported ex-Presisent Joaquín Crespo's coup against Juan Pablo Rojas Paul's administration. The President tasked the newly-formed Squadron of Evolution to bombard Maracaibo and landed US troops, moving in concert with Crespo's supporters and eventually supplanted the Venezuelan government with Crespo as President. On 1892, both Colombia and Venezuela are made US territories. However, Colombia was granted independence under another puppet government on 1895.
• Under the threat of US invasion, and also internal political instability, Colombia agreed to sell the entirety of the Panama isthmus to President Theodore Roosevelt's government.

Faction: North Atlantic Treaty Organization

Mostly good. But turning Venezuela and Colombia into colonies and keeping Venezuela is unrealistic. Venezuela is the home of Simon Bolivar, and in being so, Venezuela has a strong national identity. Because of this, they would never stand to be a part of America. The puppet governments are realistic, but they are long gone by now.

True, but Venezuela is also the first region to secede from Gran Colombia. Even at the first years of Gran Colombia, José Antonio Páez, the Commandant General of Venezuela, often clashed with Bolivar (the nation's leader whose residence is in Colombia most of the time). Bolivar himself prepared to march to Venezuela to supress the separatists in 1826. Suffice to say, "nationalist" identities doesn't matter too much now - Venezuela in this RP has the same degree of autonomy Puerto Rico had in our world this time, with Venezuelan citizens being US citizens. That is realistic enough for me.

On another unrelated note, France shouldn't have owned Lebanon on 1950, because the French bombing of Damascus backfired into a British-founded retaliation by Syrians, and thus ousting any remnant of French presence in the Middle East. Lebanon also was a founding UN member state, so the League of Nations member status was officially terminated.