Dumb Ideologies wrote:Why does "a spiritual mother" sound like something a minigun-wielding nun would declare herself to be just after she's kicked down the church doors!?
Because mothers protect their children.
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by Sundiata » Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:41 am
Dumb Ideologies wrote:Why does "a spiritual mother" sound like something a minigun-wielding nun would declare herself to be just after she's kicked down the church doors!?
by Dumb Ideologies » Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:47 am
by Ostroeuropa » Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:52 am
Dumb Ideologies wrote:To answer this point seriously, I think we can acknowledge the reality that women generally are better disposed towards caring roles without telling those who aren't that they're faulty or defying their own essential nature by not feeling "called" to such a role.
by Sundiata » Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:53 am
Dumb Ideologies wrote:To answer this point seriously, I think we can acknowledge the reality that women generally are better disposed towards caring roles without telling those who aren't that they're faulty or defying their own essential nature by not feeling "called" to such a role.
by Dumb Ideologies » Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:56 am
Sundiata wrote:Dumb Ideologies wrote:To answer this point seriously, I think we can acknowledge the reality that women generally are better disposed towards caring roles without telling those who aren't that they're faulty or defying their own essential nature by not feeling "called" to such a role.
While fair, it's also important to note that the genius of women is a wide spectrum which ranges from the compassionate gifts of Mother Theresa to military genius of St. Joan of Arc. But regardless of where specific women fall on that spectrum they're still called to virtue.
by Ostroeuropa » Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:03 am
by Sundiata » Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:08 am
Dumb Ideologies wrote:Sundiata wrote:While fair, it's also important to note that the genius of women is a wide spectrum which ranges from the compassionate gifts of Mother Theresa to military genius of St. Joan of Arc. But regardless of where specific women fall on that spectrum they're still called to virtue.
If everyone is called to virtue but that virtue can take different forms then it's difficult - or at least to me as an agnostic-atheist - to understand what you mean by the unique motherly virtues of women as opposed to virtue in men.
by Ostroeuropa » Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:08 am
Sundiata wrote:Dumb Ideologies wrote:
If everyone is called to virtue but that virtue can take different forms then it's difficult - or at least to me as an agnostic-atheist - to understand what you mean by the unique motherly virtues of women as opposed to virtue in men.
Ultimately, I'm referring to the feminine genius. It's an intangible form of genius that women have which makes them equal to men in terms of their deserved dignity but distinguished in terms of their beauty.
by Purgatio » Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:12 am
Sundiata wrote:Purgatio wrote:
Wait till you learn about those women who are born to be lesbians. I mean, I've debated with you in the past to know you don't think lesbianism is a thing or that people can be born gay/lesbian but....yeah, whether you like it or not, some women out there are born, biologically and innately, as lesbians. Solely attracted to other women. Are they all "made to be mothers" too? What a load of nonsense this is.
Regarding same-sex attraction, the feelings of people who experience it, are in fact legitimate. But to answer your question, yes. Women who experience same-sex attraction are called to be spiritual mothers. Or in other words, virtuous and kind.
by Purgatio » Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:12 am
Sundiata wrote:Dumb Ideologies wrote:
If everyone is called to virtue but that virtue can take different forms then it's difficult - or at least to me as an agnostic-atheist - to understand what you mean by the unique motherly virtues of women as opposed to virtue in men.
Ultimately, I'm referring to the feminine genius. It's an intangible form of genius that women have which makes them equal to men in terms of their deserved dignity but distinguished in terms of their beauty.
by Sundiata » Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:20 am
by Sundiata » Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:36 am
by VVerkia » Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:38 am
Ostroeuropa wrote:It's part of their identity that they are "caring" and so they seek to monopolize that role, in the process becoming actually quite uncaring and routinely sacrificing the wellbeing of their charges to their own egos.
Depends what you mean by caring.
by Dumb Ideologies » Tue Jul 07, 2020 6:00 am
Sundiata wrote:Ostroeuropa wrote:
What exactly does it entail?
Appreciating motherhood, both physical and spiritual and not viewing femininity as a weakness. Spiritual motherhood precedes physical motherhood.After all, the Lord was received in his mother's heart before he was received in his mother's womb.
by Purgatio » Tue Jul 07, 2020 6:10 am
by Nobel Hobos 2 » Tue Jul 07, 2020 6:22 am
by Galloism » Tue Jul 07, 2020 6:38 am
by Giovenith » Tue Jul 07, 2020 8:57 am
Rojava Free State wrote:
I knew of a girl who was forced to marry a guy the family chose for her at 17. They were Albanian and her entire life was ruined, now she's a slave to this rich rando.
Imagine being such a misogynist piece of shit you force your daughter to basically be raped by a man. Cause i doubt she got pregnant by him willingly.
Sundiata wrote:Fulton J. Sheen said it best, "Every woman is made to be a mother either physical or spiritual."
It's good to have opportunities to be tender and kind.
Sundiata wrote:Ostroeuropa wrote:
What exactly does it entail?
Appreciating motherhood, both physical and spiritual and not viewing femininity as a weakness. Spiritual motherhood precedes physical motherhood.After all, the Lord was received in his mother's heart before he was received in his mother's womb.
by Galloism » Tue Jul 07, 2020 9:10 am
Giovenith wrote:Rojava Free State wrote:
I knew of a girl who was forced to marry a guy the family chose for her at 17. They were Albanian and her entire life was ruined, now she's a slave to this rich rando.
Imagine being such a misogynist piece of shit you force your daughter to basically be raped by a man. Cause i doubt she got pregnant by him willingly.
I think the part that got me most in the interviews is Dawn, the 13 year old who was married to a 32 year old, trying to separate from her "husband" and the police bringing her back as a runaway minor and the courts telling her that she was too young to be a mother and that there was nothing they can do "because you were in a union" (as if unions aren't something that members in it can dissolve at any time?). Oh, so she's old enough to get married, have sex, and give birth, but when she wants to leave or raise her kids independently, suddenly she's just a child? How about you don't fucking marry or screw people too young to handle independence or children? How about if someone is basically rendered as captured property because of their age when in a marriage, you don't marry them to someone? Flipping back and forth between "too young" and "old enough" based on what is convenient for the abuser, and the law was supporting it.
And not that this makes it worse than other victims, but this was with a white family in California, not some insulated immigrant family from a culture where this was normal. So it shows that the reach of callous misogyny and bad ideas about marriage and children can reach into supposedly forward-thinking countries and systems. These are California judges who allowed a 13 year old to be married to a 32 year old, who was outright claiming to have been raped and abused by this guy (in case it wasn't obvious enough from the circumstances), and were like, "Oh well. You may be a bride but you're also a child so you're basically property, now shut up and get back to being a slave." What a nightmarish scenario.
by Giovenith » Tue Jul 07, 2020 9:30 am
Galloism wrote:Giovenith wrote:
I think the part that got me most in the interviews is Dawn, the 13 year old who was married to a 32 year old, trying to separate from her "husband" and the police bringing her back as a runaway minor and the courts telling her that she was too young to be a mother and that there was nothing they can do "because you were in a union" (as if unions aren't something that members in it can dissolve at any time?). Oh, so she's old enough to get married, have sex, and give birth, but when she wants to leave or raise her kids independently, suddenly she's just a child? How about you don't fucking marry or screw people too young to handle independence or children? How about if someone is basically rendered as captured property because of their age when in a marriage, you don't marry them to someone? Flipping back and forth between "too young" and "old enough" based on what is convenient for the abuser, and the law was supporting it.
And not that this makes it worse than other victims, but this was with a white family in California, not some insulated immigrant family from a culture where this was normal. So it shows that the reach of callous misogyny and bad ideas about marriage and children can reach into supposedly forward-thinking countries and systems. These are California judges who allowed a 13 year old to be married to a 32 year old, who was outright claiming to have been raped and abused by this guy (in case it wasn't obvious enough from the circumstances), and were like, "Oh well. You may be a bride but you're also a child so you're basically property, now shut up and get back to being a slave." What a nightmarish scenario.
Stuff like this is frighteningly common. People not old enough to drink or smoke can be sent to war. People not old enough to vote can be charged as an adult with serious crimes. Boys not even old enough to drive can be forced to support their rapists for fathering their children.
There's a whole slew of double standards when it comes to children vs adults and when you are treated as a child vs when you are treated as an adult. The one you just talked about is one of the most heinous, but there are plenty to go around.
by VVerkia » Tue Jul 07, 2020 9:35 am
Giovenith wrote:And not that this makes it worse than other victims, but this was with a white family in California, not some insulated immigrant family from a culture where this was normal. So it shows that the reach of callous misogyny and bad ideas about marriage and children can reach into supposedly forward-thinking countries and systems. These are California judges who allowed a 13 year old to be married to a 32 year old, who was outright claiming to have been raped and abused by this guy (in case it wasn't obvious enough from the circumstances), and were like, "Oh well. You may be a bride but you're also a child so you're basically property, now shut up and get back to being a slave." What a nightmarish scenario.
by Rojava Free State » Tue Jul 07, 2020 10:00 am
VVerkia wrote:Giovenith wrote:And not that this makes it worse than other victims, but this was with a white family in California, not some insulated immigrant family from a culture where this was normal. So it shows that the reach of callous misogyny and bad ideas about marriage and children can reach into supposedly forward-thinking countries and systems. These are California judges who allowed a 13 year old to be married to a 32 year old, who was outright claiming to have been raped and abused by this guy (in case it wasn't obvious enough from the circumstances), and were like, "Oh well. You may be a bride but you're also a child so you're basically property, now shut up and get back to being a slave." What a nightmarish scenario.
I was married at 26. I was too young, immature and i don't was sincere about myself (so in the end marriage was untrue and invalid). From my pov, age is only some kind of social border to distinguish laws based on simple but not always accurate points. Some peoples can be more mature in young, and some not even in old. Also can be more mature in one things and lack maturity in others. Whatever maturity means - it isn't necessary something that others want to impose of other (eg. probably famous example "alcohol, drug etc. is symbol of maturity, so when someone use it, then that someone is mature - nope. Even when someone have many years and often use alcohol etc. it doesn't mean, that someone is mature). Statements like "you are too old/young" isn't necessary appropriate. It rise problem like, "you are too old, so you must hurry and marry someone" or "you are too young to be (put lgbt terms like gay, trans etc.)", but it doesn't mean, that someone really is or not (put lgbt terms). My "wanting to be normal girl" was clear for me since i was 13-14 year, earlier i had premises. About my attraction etc. stuff, i wasn't sure until age 31. Now i'm not in marriage of any kind, and never will be.
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.
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