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Postby Attempted Socialism » Mon Aug 19, 2019 1:57 am

A Swedish expert argues that the attacks in Denmark are similar to gang-related attacks in Sweden (Though he has no evidence that they're actually related). After pressure from government agencies, the gangs retaliate by attacking e.g. police stations or tax agencies - exactly as happened in Denmark. Swedish police points out that criminals with the resources can outsource their attacks, hiring people to take the fall for them. However, DR reiterates that so far, no public knowledge has surfaced tying Danish or Swedish gangs to either attack.

Meanwhile, one of the suspects is under arrest and is facing extradition. He can appeal to a higher level court, but my impression is that it will at most delay the extradition with a few weeks. No personal details have been made public except that the suspect has not been convicted before.


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Postby Attempted Socialism » Wed Aug 28, 2019 2:45 am

The suspect is now extradited to Denmark, and the investigation continues. He will be put before the City Court (Lowest level court in Denmark) later today.


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Postby Esheaun Stroakuss » Wed Aug 28, 2019 3:03 am

Denmark ain't no stranger to these kinds of attacks. Think the church burnings in the nineties.
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Postby Gravlen » Wed Aug 28, 2019 3:22 am

Esheaun Stroakuss wrote:Denmark ain't no stranger to these kinds of attacks. Think the church burnings in the nineties.

I don't think that was Denmark. It was in Norway, by Norwegians.
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Postby Esheaun Stroakuss » Wed Aug 28, 2019 3:26 am

Gravlen wrote:
Esheaun Stroakuss wrote:Denmark ain't no stranger to these kinds of attacks. Think the church burnings in the nineties.

I don't think that was Denmark. It was in Norway, by Norwegians.


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Postby Attempted Socialism » Wed Aug 28, 2019 5:09 am

Esheaun Stroakuss wrote:
Gravlen wrote:I don't think that was Denmark. It was in Norway, by Norwegians.


Goes to show how much I know. Just ignore me.

The Nowegian church burnings were done mostly by a Norwegian Neo-Nazi Metal musician. We did have a Communist rebel organisation, the so-called Blekingegade Gang, which was active in the 70'ies and 80'ies.

The suspect had a first hearing before the Court, although it was closed for the press. One suspect, age 23, remains at large.


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Postby Loben The 2nd » Wed Aug 28, 2019 5:41 am

Attempted Socialism wrote:
Esheaun Stroakuss wrote:
Goes to show how much I know. Just ignore me.

The Nowegian church burnings were done mostly by a Norwegian Neo-Nazi Metal musician. We did have a Communist rebel organisation, the so-called Blekingegade Gang, which was active in the 70'ies and 80'ies.

The suspect had a first hearing before the Court, although it was closed for the press. One suspect, age 23, remains at large.


Hmmmm closed to the press. What could they be hiding.
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Postby Attempted Socialism » Wed Aug 28, 2019 5:48 am

Loben The 2nd wrote:
Attempted Socialism wrote:The Nowegian church burnings were done mostly by a Norwegian Neo-Nazi Metal musician. We did have a Communist rebel organisation, the so-called Blekingegade Gang, which was active in the 70'ies and 80'ies.

The suspect had a first hearing before the Court, although it was closed for the press. One suspect, age 23, remains at large.


Hmmmm closed to the press. What could they be hiding.
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To people without some preferred, made-up narrative, it's because the police don't want to let information about the investigation out, in case the suspect they haven't caught can use it, and the suspect wanted to protect their privacy and family.


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Postby Loben The 2nd » Wed Aug 28, 2019 5:52 am

Attempted Socialism wrote:
Loben The 2nd wrote:
Hmmmm closed to the press. What could they be hiding.
Probably the DRAMATIC REVELATION OF THE REAL PLOT of whatever insane conspiracy theory you're a fan of. Should I look for ties to Soros, Clinton and the IKEA plot to commit a great replacement?
To people without some preferred, made-up narrative, it's because the police don't want to let information about the investigation out, in case the suspect they haven't caught can use it, and the suspect wanted to protect their privacy and family.


Maybe the court is controlled by ferrets, and the cops double ferrets.
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Postby Farnhamia » Mon Jun 29, 2020 2:14 pm

Posting this up to the first page to allow for updates on the trials.
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Postby Attempted Socialism » Mon Jun 29, 2020 2:34 pm

Modly sanctioned updates from the rotten state of Denmark:

The two suspects were in court today. Half a year ago the investigation changed track and alleged that the bombing was an act of terror, which the defence vigorously denies. The motive is still unknown, even if it is terror -- both suspects claim innocence.
Their explanations for what happened are diverging, though. One suspect, the one who drove the car, claims they'd been in Copenhagen for dinner and they had parked close to the tax agency offices at the time of the bombing while the other suspect visited a friend. Meanwhile, the other suspect claimed they had only been to Christiania to buy marijuana (Christiania -- a part of Copenhagen -- is basically the unofficial official go-to place for it), and he visited a female friend. Cellphone data places his phone closer to the place of the bombing, which he couldn't explain.
Technicians have found residue of explosives in the car which both suspects denies knowledge of.

All in all this seems somewhat weird. Their explanations obviously don't hold up, so I question their honesty and innocence, but when the prosecutor has had ample opportunity to lay out a case for terror, and didn't provide any kind of motive I can't see how they are going to lift that burden of proof. Terror is a deliberate act, to frighten or intimidate the public and induce some kind of action. Without a motive, how can they prove terror? And why did that allegation only appear after half a year of investigation?
Meanwhile, the alleged relation to gangs has been largely absent. I think it was because there were a series of gang turf conflicts during the Summer of 2019, which made it plausible then. At least, I haven't seen anything from the prosecution in the news where they allege a gang relation.


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Postby Attempted Socialism » Thu Jul 09, 2020 2:38 pm

Aaaand both were convicted.

The prosecutor had argued for an increased (7+ years) prison sentence due to alleged terror, but the judge did not accept that argument. Instead, they were "merely" convicted to 4 years (The driver) and 5 years (The bomb-placer). The prosecutor also asked for damages, a total of around 6.2 million Danish kroner (Or approximately 1 million USD) but I couldn't find news reports stating whether they were convicted of the damages as well.

What perplexed me from the beginning was the motive, and that has not been clarified. The prosecutor alluded to them being hired for the job, which sounds plausible on the face of it, but didn't present any evidence for it in court. The bomb was apparently high-grade dynamite, so it is reasonable that it was provided by whoever bought the hit. Meanwhile, a director at the Tax Agency hypothesised a criminal group as a culprit, but again without evidence. I have also heard from contacts that the rumour at the Tax Agency is it may be revenge for crackdowns on tax avoidance by gangs, but again without any evidence (Or, at least the version that was relayed to me), any clear suspect since the crackdowns against gangs were mostly police actions, not tax enforcement).
All in all this saga is very weird. Why they did it is still a mystery, and I couldn't even find any confirmation that the police is still looking for whoever may have hired the two (Though I have a hard time imagining them not doing so).


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Postby Gravlen » Thu Jul 09, 2020 3:59 pm

Looking forward to seeing this weird case being made into a movie.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Thu Jul 09, 2020 7:42 pm

So was it gangs or was it terrorists?
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Postby Attempted Socialism » Fri Jul 10, 2020 12:09 am

Rojava Free State wrote:So was it gangs or was it terrorists?

Are you asking me to guess? Since the prosecutor couldn't establish a motive, it can't be terror. But the things pointing to gangs are just as circumspect. My guess is that gangs are more likely, but both rest on weak evidence.


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Postby Socialist States of Ludistan » Fri Jul 10, 2020 12:11 am

I’m from Denmark, and I know who did it, it’s those damn swedes.
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Attempted Socialism wrote:Aaaand both were convicted.

The prosecutor had argued for an increased (7+ years) prison sentence due to alleged terror, but the judge did not accept that argument. Instead, they were "merely" convicted to 4 years (The driver) and 5 years (The bomb-placer). The prosecutor also asked for damages, a total of around 6.2 million Danish kroner (Or approximately 1 million USD) but I couldn't find news reports stating whether they were convicted of the damages as well.

What perplexed me from the beginning was the motive, and that has not been clarified. The prosecutor alluded to them being hired for the job, which sounds plausible on the face of it, but didn't present any evidence for it in court. The bomb was apparently high-grade dynamite, so it is reasonable that it was provided by whoever bought the hit. Meanwhile, a director at the Tax Agency hypothesised a criminal group as a culprit, but again without evidence. I have also heard from contacts that the rumour at the Tax Agency is it may be revenge for crackdowns on tax avoidance by gangs, but again without any evidence (Or, at least the version that was relayed to me), any clear suspect since the crackdowns against gangs were mostly police actions, not tax enforcement).
All in all this saga is very weird. Why they did it is still a mystery, and I couldn't even find any confirmation that the police is still looking for whoever may have hired the two (Though I have a hard time imagining them not doing so).

I knew it! It was those damn swedes!
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Postby Attempted Socialism » Fri Jul 10, 2020 12:22 am

Socialist States of Ludistan wrote:I’m from Denmark, and I know who did it, it’s those damn swedes.

I shouldn't laugh, but this is the perfect use of that meme.


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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Fri Jul 10, 2020 12:36 am

No-one was killed, and it seems that was deliberate.

So it's heartening to see a judge take my view, that deliberate destruction of property (other than vital infrastructure like electricity) actually shouldn't be called terrorism. Even if it's done with a bomb.
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Postby Attempted Socialism » Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:19 am

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:No-one was killed, and it seems that was deliberate.

So it's heartening to see a judge take my view, that deliberate destruction of property (other than vital infrastructure like electricity) actually shouldn't be called terrorism. Even if it's done with a bomb.

While I agree with you, I have the impression that the judge here ruled on the evidence presented, which was non-existent. Had the prosecutor presented evidence for a motive to intimidate through a policy change, I don't know how the ruling would have gone down.


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Postby Knask » Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:35 am

Socialist States of Ludistan wrote:I’m from Denmark, and I know who did it, it’s those damn swedes.

Party Swedes, go home!

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Postby Purpelia » Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:58 am

So what is this? Swedish gangs running away from the virus decide to start bombing Denmark instead?
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Fri Jul 10, 2020 1:59 am

Purpelia wrote:So what is this? Swedish gangs running away from the virus decide to start bombing Denmark instead?


Nothing to do with the virus. It happened last year. Thread was revived because the perp went to trial.
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Postby Attempted Socialism » Fri Jul 10, 2020 2:07 am

Purpelia wrote:So what is this? Swedish gangs running away from the virus decide to start bombing Denmark instead?


Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Purpelia wrote:So what is this? Swedish gangs running away from the virus decide to start bombing Denmark instead?


Nothing to do with the virus. It happened last year. Thread was revived because the perp went to trial.

Furthermore, the gang relation is, at this point, merely an allegation for which the prosecutor presented no substantial evidence. The motive of it all is still unclear, even as the perpetrators are going to jail (Pending any appeals).


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Postby Rojava Free State » Fri Jul 10, 2020 4:55 am

Attempted Socialism wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:So was it gangs or was it terrorists?

Are you asking me to guess? Since the prosecutor couldn't establish a motive, it can't be terror. But the things pointing to gangs are just as circumspect. My guess is that gangs are more likely, but both rest on weak evidence.


So all we know is some guys bombed the police.
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