What Would It Take for You to Vote for Biden?

[Aguaria Major]

Everyone here needs to come to grips with reality and accept 2 very bleak facts:

1. If you do not vote for Biden, you will have played a role in Trump being re-elected (I don't need to explain how that action will lead to that outcome because you ALL knows damn well how the American electoral system works and how Republicans cheat so that the only thing that will beat them is a popular vote landslide). You have also sent the message that you see no difference between a mere center-right politician and a fascist, and that you do not care about real American values (republicanism, individual freedom, equality, justice, and the rule of law) enough to remove the stain of the latter from the United States.

2. If you TRULY want someone who isn't Biden or Trump to be in charge, then you will have to commit, wholeheartedly (and when I say that, I mean put yourself in the line of police fire and be willing to DIE) to a violent overthrow of the American government. Because for as undemocratic as the 2-party system is, we're stuck with it until we can put someone truly progressive in to change it. And that time will unfortunately not be in 2020 unless said violent revolution happens.

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I can bet you that at least 90% of you are not going, or even willing, to march to your death in an attempt to storm the White House or the Capitol anytime soon, so that narrows down the options for what you can do for a peaceful transition of government that will put the nation on the path toward true progressivism, doesn't it?

You all know what has to be done. And if you will not do it, then please refer to point #1.

Libertarian communist though I am, a thing I cannot stand about the left as a group is the fact we never get off our damn high horses. We'd rather protest and get nothing done if it means we "took the high road" than get our hands a bit dirty or vote for someone we may not like, if only to put ourselves on a path towards actual change. Now that may sound hypocritical coming from someone with my particular stats, but I can get away with being the 100th least corrupt nation in the world because I'm the only person in charge of it and no one else is there to muck up my political systems.

Either vote for Biden, attempt to overthrow the government, or accept that you helped Trump. It's that simple.

(BTW, I voted for Bernie in the primary so I'm not happy about having to make that decision either. But it's what has to be done)

[Thermodolia]

Everyone here needs to come to grips with reality and accept 2 very bleak facts:

1. If you do not vote for Biden, you will have played a role in Trump being re-elected (I don't need to explain how that action will lead to that outcome because you ALL knows damn well how the American electoral system works and how Republicans cheat so that the only thing that will beat them is a popular vote landslide). You have also sent the message that you see no difference between a mere center-right politician and a fascist, and that you do not care about real American values (republicanism, individual freedom, equality, justice, and the rule of law) enough to remove the stain of the latter from the United States.

This presumed that the extremely small number of third party voters will somehow give Trump the election. With the poll numbers we are seeing there is no way that 1% or less of the American electorate will somehow give the election to Trump by voting third party.

Also Trump is definitely not a fascist, many a fascist aren’t happy with Trump at all and increasingly distance Trump from fascism. Trump is just a right wing authoritarian.

2. If you TRULY want someone who isn't Biden or Trump to be in charge, then you will have to commit, wholeheartedly (and when I say that, I mean put yourself in the line of police fire and be willing to DIE) to a violent overthrow of the American government. Because for as undemocratic as the 2-party system is, we're stuck with it until we can put someone truly progressive in to change it. And that time will unfortunately not be in 2020 unless said violent revolution happens.

Don’t worry about us. If I could overthrow the government I’d do it today.

And I can bet you that at least 90% of you are not going, or even willing, to march to your death in an attempt to storm the White House or the Capitol anytime soon, so that narrows down the options for what you can do for a peaceful transition if government that will put the nation on the path to true progressivism, doesn't it?

Who gives a shit about progressivism?

You all know what has to be done. And if you will not do it, then please refer to point #1.

People should vote their Conscience. And just so you know many of those who aren’t voting Biden are voting for all down ballot democrats. It’s just Biden they don’t like.

Libertarian communist though I am, a thing I cannot stand about the left as a group is the fact we never get off our damn high horses. We'd rather protest and get nothing done if it means we "took the high road" than get our hands a bit dirty or vote for someone we may not like, if only to put ourselves on a path towards actual change. Now that may sound hypocritical coming from someone with my particular stats, but I can get away with being the 100th least corrupt nation in the world because I'm the only person in charge of it and no one else is there to muck up my political systems.

Nobody gives a fuck about your NS stats. Nobody here cares.

Either vote for Biden, attempt to overthrow the government, or accept that you helped Trump.

The last part predicates on the fact that the election has to be close in order for third party voters to help Trump, when in fact current polling says it will be far from close.

[Ors Might]

Everyone here needs to come to grips with reality and accept 2 very bleak facts:

1. If you do not vote for Biden, you will have played a role in Trump being re-elected (I don't need to explain how that action will lead to that outcome because you ALL knows damn well how the American electoral system works and how Republicans cheat so that the only thing that will beat them is a popular vote landslide). You have also sent the message that you see no difference between a mere center-right politician and a fascist, and that you do not care about real American values (republicanism, individual freedom, equality, justice, and the rule of law) enough to remove the stain of the latter from the United States.

2. If you TRULY want someone who isn't Biden or Trump to be in charge, then you will have to commit, wholeheartedly (and when I say that, I mean put yourself in the line of police fire and be willing to DIE) to a violent overthrow of the American government. Because for as undemocratic as the 2-party system is, we're stuck with it until we can put someone truly progressive in to change it. And that time will unfortunately not be in 2020 unless said violent revolution happens.

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I can bet you that at least 90% of you are not going, or even willing, to march to your death in an attempt to storm the White House or the Capitol anytime soon, so that narrows down the options for what you can do for a peaceful transition of government that will put the nation on the path toward true progressivism, doesn't it?

You all know what has to be done. And if you will not do it, then please refer to point #1.

Libertarian communist though I am, a thing I cannot stand about the left as a group is the fact we never get off our damn high horses. We'd rather protest and get nothing done if it means we "took the high road" than get our hands a bit dirty or vote for someone we may not like, if only to put ourselves on a path towards actual change. Now that may sound hypocritical coming from someone with my particular stats, but I can get away with being the 100th least corrupt nation in the world because I'm the only person in charge of it and no one else is there to muck up my political systems.

Either vote for Biden, attempt to overthrow the government, or accept that you helped Trump. It's that simple.

(BTW, I voted for Bernie in the primary so I'm not happy about having to make that decision either. But it's what has to be done)

1. I’m sick of hearing this bullshit reasoning. First off, unless one lives in a swing state or in one where their state could flip, no individual vote will likely fucking matter. Might as well vote your conscious (an abhorrent thought, I know). Second, no, that’s not how shit fucking works. People that want others to vote for a candidate don’t get to whinge and whine that people that aren’t sold are helping the enemy. That’s extremely pathetic and childish and makes the candidate in question seem less worthy of support. Third, and stay with me here, by voting for a candidate that isn’t Trump or Biden, one sends the message that they refuse to put up with either’s shit. A vote for not!Trump and not!Biden is not a vote for either one.

2. Hey, if I thought people were pissed off about this crap enough to where I’d have backup, I’d happily march on Washington. That’d be my political philosophy coming to true fruition. Unfortunately we aren’t there yet and as funny as it might be to watch some lone stranger get absolutely yeeted cross country by a hail of gunfire, it wouldn’t accomplish much besides add to youtube fail compilations.

If you want people to vote Biden, make a better case for him rather than using weak shaming tactics. You aren’t the first to go that route and, as far as I know, it hasn’t worked.

[American Pere Housh]

Everyone here needs to come to grips with reality and accept 2 very bleak facts:

1. If you do not vote for Biden, you will have played a role in Trump being re-elected (I don't need to explain how that action will lead to that outcome because you ALL knows damn well how the American electoral system works and how Republicans cheat so that the only thing that will beat them is a popular vote landslide). You have also sent the message that you see no difference between a mere center-right politician and a fascist, and that you do not care about real American values (republicanism, individual freedom, equality, justice, and the rule of law) enough to remove the stain of the latter from the United States.

2. If you TRULY want someone who isn't Biden or Trump to be in charge, then you will have to commit, wholeheartedly (and when I say that, I mean put yourself in the line of police fire and be willing to DIE) to a violent overthrow of the American government. Because for as undemocratic as the 2-party system is, we're stuck with it until we can put someone truly progressive in to change it. And that time will unfortunately not be in 2020 unless said violent revolution happens.

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I can bet you that at least 90% of you are not going, or even willing, to march to your death in an attempt to storm the White House or the Capitol anytime soon, so that narrows down the options for what you can do for a peaceful transition of government that will put the nation on the path toward true progressivism, doesn't it?

You all know what has to be done. And if you will not do it, then please refer to point #1.

Libertarian communist though I am, a thing I cannot stand about the left as a group is the fact we never get off our damn high horses. We'd rather protest and get nothing done if it means we "took the high road" than get our hands a bit dirty or vote for someone we may not like, if only to put ourselves on a path towards actual change. Now that may sound hypocritical coming from someone with my particular stats, but I can get away with being the 100th least corrupt nation in the world because I'm the only person in charge of it and no one else is there to muck up my political systems.

Either vote for Biden, attempt to overthrow the government, or accept that you helped Trump. It's that simple.

(BTW, I voted for Bernie in the primary so I'm not happy about having to make that decision either. But it's what has to be done)

Have fun trying to overthrow the US government because the US military would crush your little rebellion.

[Thermodolia]

Everyone here needs to come to grips with reality and accept 2 very bleak facts:

1. If you do not vote for Biden, you will have played a role in Trump being re-elected (I don't need to explain how that action will lead to that outcome because you ALL knows damn well how the American electoral system works and how Republicans cheat so that the only thing that will beat them is a popular vote landslide). You have also sent the message that you see no difference between a mere center-right politician and a fascist, and that you do not care about real American values (republicanism, individual freedom, equality, justice, and the rule of law) enough to remove the stain of the latter from the United States.

2. If you TRULY want someone who isn't Biden or Trump to be in charge, then you will have to commit, wholeheartedly (and when I say that, I mean put yourself in the line of police fire and be willing to DIE) to a violent overthrow of the American government. Because for as undemocratic as the 2-party system is, we're stuck with it until we can put someone truly progressive in to change it. And that time will unfortunately not be in 2020 unless said violent revolution happens.

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I can bet you that at least 90% of you are not going, or even willing, to march to your death in an attempt to storm the White House or the Capitol anytime soon, so that narrows down the options for what you can do for a peaceful transition of government that will put the nation on the path toward true progressivism, doesn't it?

You all know what has to be done. And if you will not do it, then please refer to point #1.

Libertarian communist though I am, a thing I cannot stand about the left as a group is the fact we never get off our damn high horses. We'd rather protest and get nothing done if it means we "took the high road" than get our hands a bit dirty or vote for someone we may not like, if only to put ourselves on a path towards actual change. Now that may sound hypocritical coming from someone with my particular stats, but I can get away with being the 100th least corrupt nation in the world because I'm the only person in charge of it and no one else is there to muck up my political systems.

Either vote for Biden, attempt to overthrow the government, or accept that you helped Trump. It's that simple.

(BTW, I voted for Bernie in the primary so I'm not happy about having to make that decision either. But it's what has to be done)

Have fun trying to overthrow the US government because the US military would crush your little rebellion.

I wouldn’t be so sure of that. The military is more likely to remain neutral. Depending on the circumstances the military might even intervene on behalf of the people against the government

[Crockerland]

Everyone here needs to come to grips with reality and accept 2 very bleak facts:

1. If you do not vote for Biden, you will have played a role in Trump being re-elected (I don't need to explain how that action will lead to that outcome because you ALL knows damn well how the American electoral system works and how Republicans cheat so that the only thing that will beat them is a popular vote landslide). You have also sent the message that you see no difference between a mere center-right politician and a fascist, and that you do not care about real American values (republicanism, individual freedom, equality, justice, and the rule of law) enough to remove the stain of the latter from the United States.

So refusing to vote for the guy who opposes my individual freedom means I don't care about my individual freedom? Great logic.

[American Pere Housh]

Have fun trying to overthrow the US government because the US military would crush your little rebellion.

I wouldn’t be so sure of that. The military is more likely to remain neutral. Depending on the circumstances the military might even intervene on behalf of the people against the government

If you can get past the Secret Service then by all means go for it though the US military will respond if the White House is attacked.

[Galloism]

Everyone here needs to come to grips with reality and accept 2 very bleak facts:

1. If you do not vote for Biden, you will have played a role in Trump being re-elected (I don't need to explain how that action will lead to that outcome because you ALL knows damn well how the American electoral system works and how Republicans cheat so that the only thing that will beat them is a popular vote landslide). You have also sent the message that you see no difference between a mere center-right politician and a fascist, and that you do not care about real American values (republicanism, individual freedom, equality, justice, and the rule of law) enough to remove the stain of the latter from the United States.

Given Biden has championed explicitly and implicitly sexist and racist legislation and regulatory policy and never apologized for it or given any indication it was wrong, implicitly arguing that he’s a vote for equality and justice is quite laughable.

Better than Trump? Sure.

Equality and justice? Don’t make me laugh.

[Diopolis]

2. If you TRULY want someone who isn't Biden or Trump to be in charge, then you will have to commit, wholeheartedly (and when I say that, I mean put yourself in the line of police fire and be willing to DIE) to a violent overthrow of the American government. Because for as undemocratic as the 2-party system is, we're stuck with it until we can put someone truly progressive in to change it. And that time will unfortunately not be in 2020 unless said violent revolution happens.

This is false.
The political right has accomplished goals that go against the interests of both parties before, by working from bottom up political infrastructure developed through non-partisan elected offices(sheriffs, for example).
There is no reason why the same tactic wouldn't work for the left if they were capable of pulling it off.

[Aguaria Major]

Everyone here needs to come to grips with reality and accept 2 very bleak facts:

1. If you do not vote for Biden, you will have played a role in Trump being re-elected (I don't need to explain how that action will lead to that outcome because you ALL knows damn well how the American electoral system works and how Republicans cheat so that the only thing that will beat them is a popular vote landslide). You have also sent the message that you see no difference between a mere center-right politician and a fascist, and that you do not care about real American values (republicanism, individual freedom, equality, justice, and the rule of law) enough to remove the stain of the latter from the United States.

This presumed that the extremely small number of third party voters will somehow give Trump the election. With the poll numbers we are seeing there is no way that 1% or less of the American electorate will somehow give the election to Trump by voting third party.

Also Trump is definitely not a fascist, many a fascist aren’t happy with Trump at all and increasingly distance Trump from fascism. Trump is just a right wing authoritarian.

2. If you TRULY want someone who isn't Biden or Trump to be in charge, then you will have to commit, wholeheartedly (and when I say that, I mean put yourself in the line of police fire and be willing to DIE) to a violent overthrow of the American government. Because for as undemocratic as the 2-party system is, we're stuck with it until we can put someone truly progressive in to change it. And that time will unfortunately not be in 2020 unless said violent revolution happens.

Don’t worry about us. If I could overthrow the government I’d do it today.

And I can bet you that at least 90% of you are not going, or even willing, to march to your death in an attempt to storm the White House or the Capitol anytime soon, so that narrows down the options for what you can do for a peaceful transition if government that will put the nation on the path to true progressivism, doesn't it?

Who gives a shit about progressivism?

You all know what has to be done. And if you will not do it, then please refer to point #1.

People should vote their Conscience. And just so you know many of those who aren’t voting Biden are voting for all down ballot democrats. It’s just Biden they don’t like.

Libertarian communist though I am, a thing I cannot stand about the left as a group is the fact we never get off our damn high horses. We'd rather protest and get nothing done if it means we "took the high road" than get our hands a bit dirty or vote for someone we may not like, if only to put ourselves on a path towards actual change. Now that may sound hypocritical coming from someone with my particular stats, but I can get away with being the 100th least corrupt nation in the world because I'm the only person in charge of it and no one else is there to muck up my political systems.

Nobody gives a fuck about your NS stats. Nobody here cares.

Either vote for Biden, attempt to overthrow the government, or accept that you helped Trump.

The last part predicates on the fact that the election has to be close in order for third party voters to help Trump, when in fact current polling says it will be far from close.

1. Third parties won't be the only thing that will help Trump get re-elected. If enough people on the left just decide they're not going to vote, that'll work in his favor. Like I said: Republicans cheat. Be that through voter suppression, gerrymandering or just plain old-fashioned tampering with votes like they did in 2004 and attempted to in 2012 with their voting machines flipping for Romney. With all that skullduggery, a majority isn't enough anymore. The left needs a united front against him.

2. Good. Now go out and storm the capital.

3. Most of the people in this topic, for a start, and a good chunk of the American left who are inevitably going to stay home or write-in on election day given Bernie lost the nomination.

4. And if their consciences tell them that Trump and Biden are somehow are on the same level, their consciences are DEAD WRONG. Even if Democrats win a majority in both houses, the supermajority they'd need in Congress to make Trump's veto on whatever they pass irrelevant is VERY unlikely to happen. And even if democrats win majorities locally or at the state level, there's still that pesky federalism problem to deal with. Trump can still impede progress all the way at the local level and has shown himself not to be above getting in petty court squabbles over progressive action taken at these levels of government. Like it or not, the president holds more power than most people think. Some would even argue TOO much. So putting a Democrat in the White House is still important. Even if it's Biden.

5. Good for you. I don't care that you don't care, smartass.

6. I reiterate: Republicans cheat. Polls in June 2016 also said that election would be a handed Hillary victory. You cannot underestimate them.

[Aguaria Major]

Everyone here needs to come to grips with reality and accept 2 very bleak facts:

1. If you do not vote for Biden, you will have played a role in Trump being re-elected (I don't need to explain how that action will lead to that outcome because you ALL knows damn well how the American electoral system works and how Republicans cheat so that the only thing that will beat them is a popular vote landslide). You have also sent the message that you see no difference between a mere center-right politician and a fascist, and that you do not care about real American values (republicanism, individual freedom, equality, justice, and the rule of law) enough to remove the stain of the latter from the United States.

2. If you TRULY want someone who isn't Biden or Trump to be in charge, then you will have to commit, wholeheartedly (and when I say that, I mean put yourself in the line of police fire and be willing to DIE) to a violent overthrow of the American government. Because for as undemocratic as the 2-party system is, we're stuck with it until we can put someone truly progressive in to change it. And that time will unfortunately not be in 2020 unless said violent revolution happens.

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I can bet you that at least 90% of you are not going, or even willing, to march to your death in an attempt to storm the White House or the Capitol anytime soon, so that narrows down the options for what you can do for a peaceful transition of government that will put the nation on the path toward true progressivism, doesn't it?

You all know what has to be done. And if you will not do it, then please refer to point #1.

Libertarian communist though I am, a thing I cannot stand about the left as a group is the fact we never get off our damn high horses. We'd rather protest and get nothing done if it means we "took the high road" than get our hands a bit dirty or vote for someone we may not like, if only to put ourselves on a path towards actual change. Now that may sound hypocritical coming from someone with my particular stats, but I can get away with being the 100th least corrupt nation in the world because I'm the only person in charge of it and no one else is there to muck up my political systems.

Either vote for Biden, attempt to overthrow the government, or accept that you helped Trump. It's that simple.

(BTW, I voted for Bernie in the primary so I'm not happy about having to make that decision either. But it's what has to be done)

1. I’m sick of hearing this bullshit reasoning. First off, unless one lives in a swing state or in one where their state could flip, no individual vote will likely fucking matter. Might as well vote your conscious (an abhorrent thought, I know). Second, no, that’s not how shit fucking works. People that want others to vote for a candidate don’t get to whinge and whine that people that aren’t sold are helping the enemy. That’s extremely pathetic and childish and makes the candidate in question seem less worthy of support. Third, and stay with me here, by voting for a candidate that isn’t Trump or Biden, one sends the message that they refuse to put up with either’s shit. A vote for not!Trump and not!Biden is not a vote for either one.

2. Hey, if I thought people were pissed off about this crap enough to where I’d have backup, I’d happily march on Washington. That’d be my political philosophy coming to true fruition. Unfortunately we aren’t there yet and as funny as it might be to watch some lone stranger get absolutely yeeted cross country by a hail of gunfire, it wouldn’t accomplish much besides add to youtube fail compilations.

If you want people to vote Biden, make a better case for him rather than using weak shaming tactics. You aren’t the first to go that route and, as far as I know, it hasn’t worked.

1. Enemy?! You think Biden is an enemy of the left, and I'm supposedly the one whining?

Not if ONE individual decides not to vote or to vote third party, but if a BUNCH of people think that way?! You have to remember that Republicans cheat. Gerrymandering, voter suppression, and just changing the results with their corporate voting machines have made it so that the left needs a united front to beat them, and if 20% of the left stays home, and even if we win the popular vote again, Republicans will exploit the Hell out of the corrupt system they put in place so that they will win.

By all means. Vote for a third party candidate and throw your vote away. As if voting third party actually ever made a difference in America with the last 100 years. Voting third party with the current system is essentially throwing a tantrum - it will do nothing and people will just think you're an entitled prick. I agree that the system needs to be changed so that won't be the situation anymore, but you're never going to change such an old, corrupt system by merely voting third party. It will start with slowly turning one of the major 2 parties progressive enough that they will change the system. And the party that will do that is certainly not going to be any that Donald Trump belongs to.

2. So, what I'm hearing then, is that for all you claim to have such a righteous conscience and that your third party vote is some bold act that will tell all the mainstream cucks like me to fuck off, when it comes to actually going and making a change yourself, you're too much of a coward to do it yourself? Someone has got to be the first to march in a revolution, and as long as people have your mentality, it will never happen.

[Aguaria Major]

Everyone here needs to come to grips with reality and accept 2 very bleak facts:

1. If you do not vote for Biden, you will have played a role in Trump being re-elected (I don't need to explain how that action will lead to that outcome because you ALL knows damn well how the American electoral system works and how Republicans cheat so that the only thing that will beat them is a popular vote landslide). You have also sent the message that you see no difference between a mere center-right politician and a fascist, and that you do not care about real American values (republicanism, individual freedom, equality, justice, and the rule of law) enough to remove the stain of the latter from the United States.

So refusing to vote for the guy who opposes my individual freedom means I don't care about my individual freedom? Great logic.

What individual freedoms of yours is he trying to repress, exactly? He's an Obama democrat. Was Obama a threat to your individual freedoms?

[Thermodolia]

This presumed that the extremely small number of third party voters will somehow give Trump the election. With the poll numbers we are seeing there is no way that 1% or less of the American electorate will somehow give the election to Trump by voting third party.

Also Trump is definitely not a fascist, many a fascist aren’t happy with Trump at all and increasingly distance Trump from fascism. Trump is just a right wing authoritarian.


Don’t worry about us. If I could overthrow the government I’d do it today.


Who gives a shit about progressivism?


People should vote their Conscience. And just so you know many of those who aren’t voting Biden are voting for all down ballot democrats. It’s just Biden they don’t like.


Nobody gives a fuck about your NS stats. Nobody here cares.


The last part predicates on the fact that the election has to be close in order for third party voters to help Trump, when in fact current polling says it will be far from close.

1. Third parties won't be the only thing that will help Trump get re-elected. If enough people on the left just decide they're not going to vote, that'll work in his favor. Like I said: Republicans cheat. Be that through voter suppression, gerrymandering or just plain old-fashioned tampering with votes like they did in 2004 and attempted to in 2012 with their voting machines flipping for Romney. With all that skullduggery, a majority isn't enough anymore. The left needs a united front against him.

Ok and current poll numbers have Biden way way ahead. People on the left aren’t staying home but going out and voting. We know this because several places have had record high turnout just for the primaries. You’re building your argument on false information.

3. Most of the people in this topic, for a start, and a good chunk of the American left who are inevitably going to stay home or write-in on election day given Bernie lost the nomination.

Again that’s been shown to be false but hey keep spouting that lie and it will become true.

4. And if their consciences tell them that Trump and Biden are somehow are on the same level, their consciences are DEAD WRONG.

Biden is a soggy sandwich while Trump is a 7 day old sandwich. Not really the same but a soggy sandwich isn’t much better. Which is what they are saying, you’re the only one who’s claiming that Biden and Trump are the same.

Even if Democrats win a majority in both houses, the supermajority they'd need in Congress to make Trump's veto on whatever they pass irrelevant is VERY unlikely to happen. And even if democrats win majorities locally or at the state level, there's still that pesky federalism problem to deal with. Trump can still impede progress all the way at the local level and has shown himself not to be above getting in petty court squabbles over progressive action taken at these levels of government. Like it or not, the president holds more power than most people think. Some would even argue TOO much. So putting a Democrat in the White House is still important. Even if it's Biden.

The courts have ruled against Trump when he tried that shit. Trump isn’t a dictator he can’t up and declare anything. If the democrats have a majority of the states and congress Trump will be a dead duck.

6. I reiterate: Republicans cheat. Polls in June 2016 also said that election would be a handed Hillary victory. You cannot underestimate them.

Nobody is saying that. The polls didn’t say that, the polls where very close in a lot of states. As it currently stands Trump is in a very bad position so it really doesn’t matter if less than 1% of Americans vote for the greens.

[Aguaria Major]

I wouldn’t be so sure of that. The military is more likely to remain neutral. Depending on the circumstances the military might even intervene on behalf of the people against the government

If you can get past the Secret Service then by all means go for it though the US military will respond if the White House is attacked.

I'm not in favor of a violent uprising, smartass. I'm going to vote for Biden, as much as he sickens me as an individual. I made the point about revolution to do just that - make a point.

[Galloism]

So refusing to vote for the guy who opposes my individual freedom means I don't care about my individual freedom? Great logic.

What individual freedoms of yours is he trying to repress, exactly? He's an Obama democrat. Was Obama a threat to your individual freedoms?

Yes?

[Aguaria Major]

Everyone here needs to come to grips with reality and accept 2 very bleak facts:

1. If you do not vote for Biden, you will have played a role in Trump being re-elected (I don't need to explain how that action will lead to that outcome because you ALL knows damn well how the American electoral system works and how Republicans cheat so that the only thing that will beat them is a popular vote landslide). You have also sent the message that you see no difference between a mere center-right politician and a fascist, and that you do not care about real American values (republicanism, individual freedom, equality, justice, and the rule of law) enough to remove the stain of the latter from the United States.

Given Biden has championed explicitly and implicitly sexist and racist legislation and regulatory policy and never apologized for it or given any indication it was wrong, implicitly arguing that he’s a vote for equality and justice is quite laughable.

Better than Trump? Sure.

Equality and justice? Don’t make me laugh.

Did I say he is a beacon of equality and justice? No. Merely that he isn't "stable genius" and that putting him in will be a step in the long fight TOWARDS equality and justice. The sooner we can remove Trump, the sooner we can start on that path.

[Washington Resistance Army]

So refusing to vote for the guy who opposes my individual freedom means I don't care about my individual freedom? Great logic.

What individual freedoms of yours is he trying to repress, exactly? He's an Obama democrat. Was Obama a threat to your individual freedoms?

Massively, yes.

[Galloism]

Given Biden has championed explicitly and implicitly sexist and racist legislation and regulatory policy and never apologized for it or given any indication it was wrong, implicitly arguing that he’s a vote for equality and justice is quite laughable.

Better than Trump? Sure.

Equality and justice? Don’t make me laugh.

Did I say he is a beacon of equality and justice? No. Merely that he isn't "stable genius" and that putting him in will be a step in the long fight TOWARDS equality and justice. The sooner we can remove Trump, the sooner we can start on that path.

Given that he's explicitly promised to straight up rescind regulations that were, in an ironic trend, put in under Trump as a step towards equality and justice based on gender, it's kind of a step backwards on equality and justice from a gender aspect.

It would be a step forward on the race aspect.

So it's kind of a mix. Not a step forward or a step back, at least when it comes to equality and justice.

What it WOULD be a step forward for is sane government again.

[Thermodolia]

If you can get past the Secret Service then by all means go for it though the US military will respond if the White House is attacked.

I'm not in favor of a violent uprising, smartass. I'm going to vote for Biden, as much as he sickens me as an individual. I made the point about revolution to do just that - make a point.

And yet you call yourself a communist

[Gormwood]

So refusing to vote for the guy who opposes my individual freedom means I don't care about my individual freedom? Great logic.

What individual freedoms of yours is he trying to repress, exactly? He's an Obama democrat. Was Obama a threat to your individual freedoms?

The "freedom" to access all the big shootys he wants while any unhinged dipshit with a chip on his shoulder can also do the same.

[Aguaria Major]

1. Third parties won't be the only thing that will help Trump get re-elected. If enough people on the left just decide they're not going to vote, that'll work in his favor. Like I said: Republicans cheat. Be that through voter suppression, gerrymandering or just plain old-fashioned tampering with votes like they did in 2004 and attempted to in 2012 with their voting machines flipping for Romney. With all that skullduggery, a majority isn't enough anymore. The left needs a united front against him.

Ok and current poll numbers have Biden way way ahead. People on the left aren’t staying home but going out and voting. We know this because several places have had record high turnout just for the primaries. You’re building your argument on false information.

3. Most of the people in this topic, for a start, and a good chunk of the American left who are inevitably going to stay home or write-in on election day given Bernie lost the nomination.

Again that’s been shown to be false but hey keep spouting that lie and it will become true.

4. And if their consciences tell them that Trump and Biden are somehow are on the same level, their consciences are DEAD WRONG.

Biden is a soggy sandwich while Trump is a 7 day old sandwich. Not really the same but a soggy sandwich isn’t much better. Which is what they are saying, you’re the only one who’s claiming that Biden and Trump are the same.

Even if Democrats win a majority in both houses, the supermajority they'd need in Congress to make Trump's veto on whatever they pass irrelevant is VERY unlikely to happen. And even if democrats win majorities locally or at the state level, there's still that pesky federalism problem to deal with. Trump can still impede progress all the way at the local level and has shown himself not to be above getting in petty court squabbles over progressive action taken at these levels of government. Like it or not, the president holds more power than most people think. Some would even argue TOO much. So putting a Democrat in the White House is still important. Even if it's Biden.

The courts have ruled against Trump when he tried that shit. Trump isn’t a dictator he can’t up and declare anything. If the democrats have a majority of the states and congress Trump will be a dead duck.

6. I reiterate: Republicans cheat. Polls in June 2016 also said that election would be a handed Hillary victory. You cannot underestimate them.

Nobody is saying that. The polls didn’t say that, the polls where very close in a lot of states. As it currently stands Trump is in a very bad position so it really doesn’t matter if less than 1% of Americans vote for the greens.

1. You ALWAYS have to remember that Republicans cheat. Gerrymandering, voter suppression, and just changing the results with their corporate voting machines have made it so that the left needs a united front to beat them, and if 20% of the left stays home, and even if we win the popular vote again, Republicans will exploit the Hell out of the corrupt system they put in place so that they will win.

2. See above. Polls don't matter anymore now because of that fact. And even so - Biden appears to be winning now, but if people relent in their support for the non-Trump candidate in any way by the time November hits, Trump will win. What I'm trying to do is remind everyone of the severity of this matter.

3. Even if people admit Biden is better because he's only a soggy sandwich and Trump is worse because he's 7 days old, id they decide not to eat at all, they still lose, and it will be their own fault. The soggy sandwich might be gross but it is still edible, whereas the other one will give you salmonella if you eat it.

4. But those court proceedings take months. He's like a tennis ball cannon on the fastest setting. He spews so much bullshit that we can't counter it all fast enough. Plus, even if he isn't a de-facto dictator he still has time to do wreak plenty more damage with our federal agencies and our foreign policy to boot. And you better believe he'll do just that if he gets the time.

5. See #1.

[Washington Resistance Army]

What individual freedoms of yours is he trying to repress, exactly? He's an Obama democrat. Was Obama a threat to your individual freedoms?

The "freedom" to access all the big shootys he wants while any unhinged dipshit with a chip on his shoulder can also do the same.

There's also, ya know, the extrajudicial killing of an American citizen and the reauthorization of PATRIOT.

[Gormwood]

I'm not in favor of a violent uprising, smartass. I'm going to vote for Biden, as much as he sickens me as an individual. I made the point about revolution to do just that - make a point.

And yet you call yourself a communist

Ah, No True Comminist. They all have to conform to Murikan stereotypes of communists and be Khmer Rouge Brutal.

[Aguaria Major]

Did I say he is a beacon of equality and justice? No. Merely that he isn't "stable genius" and that putting him in will be a step in the long fight TOWARDS equality and justice. The sooner we can remove Trump, the sooner we can start on that path.

Given that he's explicitly promised to straight up rescind regulations that were, in an ironic trend, put in under Trump as a step towards equality and justice based on gender, it's kind of a step backwards on equality and justice from a gender aspect.

It would be a step forward on the race aspect.

So it's kind of a mix. Not a step forward or a step back, at least when it comes to equality and justice.

What it WOULD be a step forward for is sane government again.

Okay then. That last bit. There's the reason to vote against Trump.

[Gormwood]

The "freedom" to access all the big shootys he wants while any unhinged dipshit with a chip on his shoulder can also do the same.

There's also, ya know, the extrajudicial killing of an American citizen and the reauthorization of PATRIOT.

Only a big deal to conservatives because the Saudis didn't do it with bonesaws.