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Which Cold War era US President was the best?

Poll ended at Fri Jul 03, 2020 10:54 am

Harry S. Truman (1945–1953)
2
3%
Dwight D. Eisenhower (1953–1961)
25
32%
John F. Kennedy (1961–1963)
17
22%
Lyndon B. Johnson (1963–1969)
6
8%
Richard Nixon (1969–1974)
7
9%
Gerald Ford (1974–1977)
0
No votes
Jimmy Carter (1977–1981)
3
4%
Ronald Reagan (1981–1989)
12
16%
George H. W. Bush (1989–1993)
1
1%
All of the Above/None of the Above/Other (please specify)
4
5%
 
Total votes : 77

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Violent Mike
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Postby Violent Mike » Thu Jun 18, 2020 3:29 pm

Questarian New Yorkshire wrote:lets be honest, when was the last time privately owned cinema produced anything like art? most modern films are trash. they commit the audience to recognise and repeat the tropes provided by the the film rather than to re-imagine its context. they almost never happen on an epic scale. they're almost all forgettable.

Almost all media being forgettable is nothing new.

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Postby The East Marches II » Thu Jun 18, 2020 3:29 pm

Questarian New Yorkshire wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
Is shitposting not an art?

shitposting is an art, it isn't Art


I'll allow it

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Postby The East Marches II » Thu Jun 18, 2020 3:29 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
If a suit on a wall counts as art, my reaction image folder counts

what cultural value does your reaction image folder add, pray tell?


It is the only thing which can accurately portray the depths of despair this clown world has driven men to.

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Postby Novus America » Thu Jun 18, 2020 3:29 pm

The Archbishopric of York wrote:Picking this up from the previous thread:
Proctopeo wrote:On a related note, I really don't understand "environmentalists" who hate nuclear power.

I think it can ultimately be chocked up to a kind of quasi-superstitious fear of science, much like the anti-vaccination movement and many of the objections raised to genetic modification of crops. It's frustrating how many opportunities to reduce the impact of carbon emissions on the climate, not to mention increase countries' abilities to fulfil their energy requirements without importing fossil fuels from morally dubious producers, may have been squandered due to the kneejerk dislike of anything nuclear amongst the so-called "green left."


Daily reminder. Nixon has a plan to make US electric power production pollution free by 19 fucking 80! But some alleged “environmentalists“ decided nuclear was scary so we continue to use coal instead.

It is beyond stupid.

Same thing happened in Germany which is switching from nuclear to natural gas, in the name of environmentalism. Words cannot describe the stupidness of that idea.

The rainbow capitalists have green washed natural gas. Yes it polluted less than coal. But a fuckton more than nuclear. They leave that last part out.
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Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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Postby Lucja » Thu Jun 18, 2020 3:30 pm

Questarian New Yorkshire wrote:Stanley Kubrick made art. Quentin Tarantino makes drivel.


The movie of his that made the most impression on me, A Clockwork Orange was a decent film but fell apart without the central moral about freedom of choice and the ending.
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Postby Italios » Thu Jun 18, 2020 3:30 pm

Here are my thoughts on Tarantino.

He hit it big, understandably, with Resevoir Dogs. mostly because it hit all the right notes of the type of film that strike the perfect balance between "Award bait," "loved by critics" and "loved by regular people." it's a crime film. it has weird looking people acting well (Steve Buscemi). well done, quentin.*

a lot of his other stuff is very self-serving and vain. he's known he's the shit for a long time, and that gives him special privileges to do things that normally don't get a pass. they're cool and epic moments in film because their Tarantino moments. the most recent Tarantino film I watched was in the beginning of lockdown, Inglorious Basterds. case in point: cool and epic misspelling in the name, which is not explained either in the IB cinematic universe or in the real world by Tarantino. it's not funny, imo. it's just a Tarantino moment. he also bungles foreign things really hard because he's american. the vibe surrounding this alt-history WWII was just awful, big dick swaggering americanizing of the past. look at us, we won the war single handedly!

I posted a film recommendation list in the last thread, with a bonus highlight of some dystopian-type films if you care to see them. I also recommend, in general, French cinema. american cinema, like Tarantino, is revisionist american dick swaggering. French film is not revisionist, because the French actually do things in history, often aggressively and suddenly and without thought, which is what makes a big splash in film. French film also touches on absurdism and other related topics, which has a unique place in the big screen culturally. I recommend Pierrot le Fou, Plein de Soleil, Fat Girl and Notre jour viendra off the top of my head.

*I'll note the trend of "Oscar bait" started with americans, with the film The Deer Hunter, because americans are mortifyingly good at commodifying things, even film, which is like antithetical to consumerism.
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Postby Cekoviu » Thu Jun 18, 2020 3:30 pm

The East Marches II wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:what cultural value does your reaction image folder add, pray tell?


It is the only thing which can accurately portray the depths of despair this clown world has driven men to.

given the lack of depth to the reaction images i've seen you post, i can only conclude that we have not yet caused men enough despair
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Postby Proctopeo » Thu Jun 18, 2020 3:32 pm

The Archbishopric of York wrote:Picking this up from the previous thread:
Proctopeo wrote:On a related note, I really don't understand "environmentalists" who hate nuclear power.

I think it can ultimately be chocked up to a kind of quasi-superstitious fear of science, much like the anti-vaccination movement and many of the objections raised to genetic modification of crops. It's frustrating how many opportunities to reduce the impact of carbon emissions on the climate, not to mention increase countries' abilities to fulfil their energy requirements without importing fossil fuels from morally dubious producers, may have been squandered due to the kneejerk dislike of anything nuclear amongst the so-called "green left."

And then there's Germany, who shut down all their reactors because of Fukushima.
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Postby The East Marches II » Thu Jun 18, 2020 3:32 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
It is the only thing which can accurately portray the depths of despair this clown world has driven men to.

given the lack of depth to the reaction images i've seen you post, i can only conclude that we have not yet caused men enough despair


Ah, only because the mods would ruin me should I post them in full force. Though you are probably right. We have not yet begun to plumb the depths of despair needed for true greatness.

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Postby The Archbishopric of York » Thu Jun 18, 2020 3:32 pm

Novus America wrote:
The Archbishopric of York wrote:Picking this up from the previous thread:

I think it can ultimately be chocked up to a kind of quasi-superstitious fear of science, much like the anti-vaccination movement and many of the objections raised to genetic modification of crops. It's frustrating how many opportunities to reduce the impact of carbon emissions on the climate, not to mention increase countries' abilities to fulfil their energy requirements without importing fossil fuels from morally dubious producers, may have been squandered due to the kneejerk dislike of anything nuclear amongst the so-called "green left."


Daily reminder. Nixon has a plan to make US electric power production pollution free by 19 fucking 80! But some alleged “environmentalists“ decided nuclear was scary so we continue to use coal instead.

It is beyond stupid.

Same thing happened in Germany which is switching from nuclear to natural gas, in the name of environmentalism. Words cannot describe the stupidness of that idea.

Oh, yes, I am well aware. This is one of the reasons that I am a fan of Nixon. He also had a proposal to introduce a universal basic income in the form of a negative income tax rate. In many ways he was really ahead of his time as a policymaker.

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Postby Cekoviu » Thu Jun 18, 2020 3:32 pm

what in god's name is dsaz and why is it in people's signatures all of a sudden
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Postby Kowani » Thu Jun 18, 2020 3:35 pm

Novus America wrote:
Kowani wrote:I don’t watch movies very often. Mostly when I do, it’s not by choice.


An the majority of the party opposes. It’s not even in the party platform.


Sure, but besides being riddled with exceptions, just because it is not in the platform does not mean they will not or cannot make an exception to get their favored legislation through.

A death blow to moderate or centrist Democrats like Manchin or Klobuchar. Passing that legislation is tatamount to political suicide for many of them. Guns are to the Dems what Abortion is to the Reps: a motivational tool for votes that they’re not going to fight for.
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Postby The New California Republic » Thu Jun 18, 2020 3:36 pm

Cekoviu wrote:what in god's name is dsaz and why is it in people's signatures all of a sudden

Dsaz?
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Postby Novus America » Thu Jun 18, 2020 3:37 pm

The Archbishopric of York wrote:
Novus America wrote:
Daily reminder. Nixon has a plan to make US electric power production pollution free by 19 fucking 80! But some alleged “environmentalists“ decided nuclear was scary so we continue to use coal instead.

It is beyond stupid.

Same thing happened in Germany which is switching from nuclear to natural gas, in the name of environmentalism. Words cannot describe the stupidness of that idea.

Oh, yes, I am well aware. This is one of the reasons that I am a fan of Nixon. He also had a proposal to introduce a universal basic income in the form of a negative income tax rate. In many ways he was really ahead of his time as a policymaker.


He had some good ideas. He was a brilliant man. Unfortunately his compete lack of political ethics led to his downfall.

I just thing it funny how we have green washed natural gas “it produces half the pollution of coal!”

Which is like saying “cow shit is half as stinky as cat shit, now eat this cow pie instead of the delicious meal (nuclear) you could have instead, just be happy you are eating less cat shit!”
Great but you are still forcing me to eat shit unnecessarily.

It is so stupid I lack the words.
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Zombie Ike/Teddy Roosevelt 2020.

Novus America represents my vision of an awesome Atompunk near future United States of America expanded to the entire North American continent, Guyana and the Philippines. The population would be around 700 million.
Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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The Archbishopric of York
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Postby The Archbishopric of York » Thu Jun 18, 2020 3:38 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
The Archbishopric of York wrote:Picking this up from the previous thread:

I think it can ultimately be chocked up to a kind of quasi-superstitious fear of science, much like the anti-vaccination movement and many of the objections raised to genetic modification of crops. It's frustrating how many opportunities to reduce the impact of carbon emissions on the climate, not to mention increase countries' abilities to fulfil their energy requirements without importing fossil fuels from morally dubious producers, may have been squandered due to the kneejerk dislike of anything nuclear amongst the so-called "green left."

And then there's Germany, who shut down all their reactors because of Fukushima.

I've heard Fukushima invoked as an argument against wider usage of nuclear power here in the UK. Never mind that the Fukushima disaster was the result of a large-scale earthquake and tsunami, neither of which are terribly common occurrences in the British Isles. Apparently post-9/11 British nuclear power stations are designed to be able to withstand the impact of a plane crashing into them, which is realistically about the worst thing that could possibly happen to one here. Don't ask me for a source on that, though; it was some years ago that I read it.

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Postby Novus America » Thu Jun 18, 2020 3:39 pm

Kowani wrote:
Novus America wrote:
Sure, but besides being riddled with exceptions, just because it is not in the platform does not mean they will not or cannot make an exception to get their favored legislation through.

A death blow to moderate or centrist Democrats like Manchin or Klobuchar. Passing that legislation is tatamount to political suicide for many of them. Guns are to the Dems what Abortion is to the Reps: a motivational tool for votes that they’re not going to fight for.


Well except see Virginia. They will ban many gun sales to the poor it in states they control, so yes the still is a major threat from them. Sure it is more likely they attack it on the down ballot though.
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Zombie Ike/Teddy Roosevelt 2020.

Novus America represents my vision of an awesome Atompunk near future United States of America expanded to the entire North American continent, Guyana and the Philippines. The population would be around 700 million.
Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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Postby The East Marches II » Thu Jun 18, 2020 3:40 pm

Italios wrote:Here are my thoughts on Tarantino.

He hit it big, understandably, with Resevoir Dogs. mostly because it hit all the right notes of the type of film that strike the perfect balance between "Award bait," "loved by critics" and "loved by regular people." it's a crime film. it has weird looking people acting well (Steve Buscemi). well done, quentin.*

a lot of his other stuff is very self-serving and vain. he's known he's the shit for a long time, and that gives him special privileges to do things that normally don't get a pass. they're cool and epic moments in film because their Tarantino moments. the most recent Tarantino film I watched was in the beginning of lockdown, Inglorious Basterds. case in point: cool and epic misspelling in the name, which is not explained either in the IB cinematic universe or in the real world by Tarantino. it's not funny, imo. it's just a Tarantino moment. he also bungles foreign things really hard because he's american. the vibe surrounding this alt-history WWII was just awful, big dick swaggering americanizing of the past. look at us, we won the war single handedly!

I posted a film recommendation list in the last thread, with a bonus highlight of some dystopian-type films if you care to see them. I also recommend, in general, French cinema. american cinema, like Tarantino, is revisionist american dick swaggering. French film is not revisionist, because the French actually do things in history, often aggressively and suddenly and without thought, which is what makes a big splash in film. French film also touches on absurdism and other related topics, which has a unique place in the big screen culturally. I recommend Pierrot le Fou, Plein de Soleil, Fat Girl and Notre jour viendra off the top of my head.

*I'll note the trend of "Oscar bait" started with americans, with the film The Deer Hunter, because americans are mortifyingly good at commodifying things, even film, which is like antithetical to consumerism.


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Shutter Island was excellent. One of the few times a movie has actually made me ponder something. If you guys haven't seen it, I would recommend it. Also good was the director's cut of Kingdom of Heaven. It changes the feel of the movie entirely. Less muh co-operation and more touching on emotion. Really much better than what we saw in theater.
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Postby The East Marches II » Thu Jun 18, 2020 3:42 pm

GoT goes to the Duellists by Ridley Scott. There is nothing to it, which is why it is so excellent.

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Postby Kowani » Thu Jun 18, 2020 3:43 pm

The Archbishopric of York wrote:
Novus America wrote:
Daily reminder. Nixon has a plan to make US electric power production pollution free by 19 fucking 80! But some alleged “environmentalists“ decided nuclear was scary so we continue to use coal instead.

It is beyond stupid.

Same thing happened in Germany which is switching from nuclear to natural gas, in the name of environmentalism. Words cannot describe the stupidness of that idea.

Oh, yes, I am well aware. This is one of the reasons that I am a fan of Nixon. He also had a proposal to introduce a universal basic income in the form of a negative income tax rate. In many ways he was really ahead of his time as a policymaker.

Laughs in Drug War
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Postby The East Marches II » Thu Jun 18, 2020 3:44 pm

Kowani wrote:
The Archbishopric of York wrote:Oh, yes, I am well aware. This is one of the reasons that I am a fan of Nixon. He also had a proposal to introduce a universal basic income in the form of a negative income tax rate. In many ways he was really ahead of his time as a policymaker.

Laughs in Drug War


Yes, just look how he beat Clinton to the punch :^)

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Postby The East Marches II » Thu Jun 18, 2020 3:45 pm

The drug war would be rather easy to win. The powers that be don't want to win it. It is too profitable. Death squads don't fund themselves!

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Postby Kowani » Thu Jun 18, 2020 3:46 pm

The East Marches II wrote:
Kowani wrote:Laughs in Drug War


Yes, just look how he beat Clinton to the punch :^)

I’ve criticized Clinton and Obama’s helping exacerbate and worsen the Drug War before, so if you think I’m just a partisan hack, try again.
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Postby Novus America » Thu Jun 18, 2020 3:47 pm

Kowani wrote:
The Archbishopric of York wrote:Oh, yes, I am well aware. This is one of the reasons that I am a fan of Nixon. He also had a proposal to introduce a universal basic income in the form of a negative income tax rate. In many ways he was really ahead of his time as a policymaker.

Laughs in Drug War


Obviously he had major flaws too. Does not change he still had some great ideas (but some bad ones too obviously).
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Zombie Ike/Teddy Roosevelt 2020.

Novus America represents my vision of an awesome Atompunk near future United States of America expanded to the entire North American continent, Guyana and the Philippines. The population would be around 700 million.
Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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Postby Kowani » Thu Jun 18, 2020 3:48 pm

The East Marches II wrote:The drug war would be rather easy to win. The powers that be don't want to win it. It is too profitable. Death squads don't fund themselves!


It’s not meant to be won. It’s the equivalent of a mob racket.
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Postby The East Marches II » Thu Jun 18, 2020 3:48 pm

Kowani wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
Yes, just look how he beat Clinton to the punch :^)

I’ve criticized Clinton and Obama’s helping exacerbate and worsen the Drug War before, so if you think I’m just a partisan hack, try again.


While I do think you are just a partisan hack, it has nothing to do with a joke. Nixon was ahead of his time in policy? Way to miss it.

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