The Marlborough wrote:The abolish the police crowd is what really soured everything. Some of y'all have no idea what areas that have little to no police presence are like.
I’m still wondering when they hijacked the movement.
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by Auze » Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:42 pm
The Marlborough wrote:The abolish the police crowd is what really soured everything. Some of y'all have no idea what areas that have little to no police presence are like.
by Novus America » Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:43 pm
Cisairse wrote:Novus America wrote:
The have a long history of making it difficult or impossible to fire child rapists?
https://www.investors.com/politics/edit ... -teachers/
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.chicag ... utType=amp
Teachers work for the state, have huge institutional power, and the teachers unions sometimes abuse that horribly. What fundamentally makes them better?
Protecting child rapists is definitely a concern. If that's an institutional problem, we should definitely work to address it.
As for what "fundamentally" makes them better, the answer is simple: teachers are not warriors in class conflict. Teachers are not on the front lines of the workingman's struggle for power and liberation; they are not abetting the bourgeois state in its quest for oppression of the proletariat.
by The Village Green SSR » Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:44 pm
by Novus America » Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:44 pm
The Marlborough wrote:The abolish the police crowd is what really soured everything. Some of y'all have no idea what areas that have little to no police presence are like.
by Diopolis » Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:46 pm
The Marlborough wrote:The abolish the police crowd is what really soured everything. Some of y'all have no idea what areas that have little to no police presence are like.
Cisairse wrote:Novus America wrote:
I mean well okay, even in the present you might be screwed. But I doubt you are out their fighting for the revolution or whatever.
Sure people get killed by police, although this is not always bad (and most the people killing during this unrest were NOT killed by police) although it can be bad when the killing is not legally and ethically justified but I fail to see how this changes the point.
If there is a Marxist revolution the left cons end up being put up against a wall by the ones who have the guns. Guns win.
Yes, which is why the left should arm itself.
by Cisairse » Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:46 pm
Novus America wrote:Cisairse wrote:Protecting child rapists is definitely a concern. If that's an institutional problem, we should definitely work to address it.
As for what "fundamentally" makes them better, the answer is simple: teachers are not warriors in class conflict. Teachers are not on the front lines of the workingman's struggle for power and liberation; they are not abetting the bourgeois state in its quest for oppression of the proletariat.
I mean you really think institutional pose is not enforced by ideas as well as guns?
Novus America wrote: Sure the teachers might not always have the guns themselves but they wield power. And all to often abuse it, and the teachers unions all to often protect the abusers. I fail to see how protecting rapists is better just because whatever Marxist word salad we slap on the end.
by Fahran » Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:46 pm
by Diopolis » Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:47 pm
Novus America wrote:The Marlborough wrote:The abolish the police crowd is what really soured everything. Some of y'all have no idea what areas that have little to no police presence are like.
From what I have seen many “abolish police” types are middle to upper class white college white college students. Who probably never faced any violent crime.
Abolish the police certainly is less problematic for those living in gated communities with private security guards.
by Novus America » Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:47 pm
Cisairse wrote:Novus America wrote:
I mean well okay, even in the present you might be screwed. But I doubt you are out their fighting for the revolution or whatever.
Sure people get killed by police, although this is not always bad (and most the people killing during this unrest were NOT killed by police) although it can be bad when the killing is not legally and ethically justified but I fail to see how this changes the point.
If there is a Marxist revolution the left cons end up being put up against a wall by the ones who have the guns. Guns win.
Yes, which is why the left should arm itself.
by Cisairse » Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:47 pm
Diopolis wrote:That's not enough. I've said this before, but in a civil war scenario it's cohesion that carries the day, not guns. And the right has better cohesion at the moment due to the way it's socialized- you'd have to fundamentally change the way you recruit supporters in order to compete.
by The Archbishopric of York » Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:48 pm
The Village Green SSR wrote:Before I take my exam, here's a link to the new iteration of the thread.
by Cisairse » Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:49 pm
by Kowani » Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:49 pm
by Luminesa » Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:51 pm
Fahran wrote:Teachers absolutely play a role in defining how their students interact with the state and society. The notion that they play no role in broader society is a bit silly. If anything, an educational institution that engenders hegemonic liberalism arguably does more to protect elites than even the most draconian level of policing. Supposing we even countenance Marxist arguments at all.
by Diopolis » Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:52 pm
Cisairse wrote:Diopolis wrote:That's not enough. I've said this before, but in a civil war scenario it's cohesion that carries the day, not guns. And the right has better cohesion at the moment due to the way it's socialized- you'd have to fundamentally change the way you recruit supporters in order to compete.
Which is why I support the IWW and the SRA.
The SRA in particular is great because the right keeps spreading around the idea that it's somehow disorganized, tiny, or populated by people who don't know anything about guns. When in reality the opposite is true. It's great cover.
by Novus America » Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:52 pm
Cisairse wrote:Novus America wrote:
I mean you really think institutional pose is not enforced by ideas as well as guns?
Whatever my answer to that question is is kinda irrelevant because teachers don't decide curricula.
Novus America wrote: Sure the teachers might not always have the guns themselves but they wield power. And all to often abuse it, and the teachers unions all to often protect the abusers. I fail to see how protecting rapists is better just because whatever Marxist word salad we slap on the end.
This is a false dichotomy. I never said that "protecting rapists is better."
by Novus America » Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:53 pm
by Cisairse » Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:55 pm
Novus America wrote:Cisairse wrote:Have you not looked at the internet in the last year?
The left doesn't like Biden. We might vote for him, but we don't like him.
Liberals aren't left.
And yet you still lose your guns. Saying “I do not like him but let him take my guns to own Trump” will not help you if the real shit goes down.
You still vote to be disarmed. And thus still end up disarmed.
by Kowani » Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:56 pm
Novus America wrote:Cisairse wrote:Have you not looked at the internet in the last year?
The left doesn't like Biden. We might vote for him, but we don't like him.
Liberals aren't left.
And yet you still lose your guns. Saying “I do not like him but let him take my guns to own Trump” will not help you if the real shit goes down.
You still vote to be disarmed. And thus still end up disarmed.
by Novus America » Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:56 pm
by Imperium Romanum Sanctis » Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:56 pm
Cisairse wrote:Imperium Romanum Sanctis wrote:
Not as bad as the institutionalized cover-ups for sexual predators, but teachers' unions are also geared to favour a certain generation of employees to the detriment of others. If you haven't been in the system for 20+ years, the unions don't give a shit about you aside from your union dues.
In the only conversation I've had with a teacher about unions, he expressed intense frustration that newly hired teachers were more willing to negotiate lower salaries and generally held anti-union views, which he believed was contributing to a culture of disdain for new hires among teachers who had worked at the school for many years and had been very involved in previous union negotiations.
by Novus America » Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:57 pm
Kowani wrote:Novus America wrote:
And yet you still lose your guns. Saying “I do not like him but let him take my guns to own Trump” will not help you if the real shit goes down.
You still vote to be disarmed. And thus still end up disarmed.
Gun control is not passing the senate. No way, no how, absolutely not.
by Kowani » Thu Jun 18, 2020 2:58 pm
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