RWDT XX: The System Is Kapp Putsch

[Washington Resistance Army]

I must admit I'm not familiar, got a link or anything by chance? I'm not doing a whole ton tonight so I wouldn't mind something to read.

It's in the Bible. The story of the Judge Gideon.

In short, he cut down Asherah poles and destroyed altars of Baal.

Ah, I haven't read any bits of the Bible in quite some time so you'll have to forgive me for not remembering.

Tbh old Israeli religion is a really interesting topic, it's a shame most of the literature is buried in scholarly articles and other such dense things.

[The Cazistan]

If Republicans were commit to a full populist/nationalist economic platform (not the half-neocon stuff we're getting with Trump), it might be enough to permanently get the Rust Belt under their control. Places like Ohio, Michigan, and Wisconsin are becoming redder as Democrats leave those states for the Sun Belt. If Republicans commit to nationalist economics and drop the libertarian laissez-faire crap, then Pennsylvania becomes solid red, and Minnesota and Maine are now within reach, and Republicans can become somewhat competitive in New Jersey and Delaware. I'll even say that due to shifting demographics, New Hampshire and Vermont are also within the realm of possibility for going Republicans.

Not to mention that a Republican Party going hard populist on economics is going to win over a huge chunk of the white Bernie crowd too. Especially if some nationalist Republican starts floating the idea of taxing the rich at 1950s levels, with the rhetoric that the 0.1% are globalist anti-Americans...

On the flip of this scenario, however, Republicans will probably permanently lose Virginia and Georgia, and will be less competitive in Florida, Arizona, and Texas. Basically trading the Sun Belt for the Rust Belt. But I don't see what other choice they have? They are going to lose the Sun Belt anyways, but they can at least lock down the Rust Belt in conciliation. Otherwise if they try to keep the neocon/libertarian thing going post-Trump, they will lose the Rust Belt too and be left with nothing.

Essentially, the Democrats become the party of social liberalism, global capitalism, and an aggressive foreign policy. They'll probably take in a bunch of the Never-Trump Republicans and former neocons. Republicans become the party of work, family, and fatherland with an isolationist foreign policy. AOC-type progressives probably form a swing voting group that hates both sides (Democrats for being global capitalists, Republicans for being nationalists). Koch Brothers-style libertarianism is dead as a political movement.

Please, I have already dedicated myself to keeping Koch libertarianism alive at all costs.

The Koch brothers were globalist degenerates

[Diopolis]

If Republicans were commit to a full populist/nationalist economic platform (not the half-neocon stuff we're getting with Trump), it might be enough to permanently get the Rust Belt under their control. Places like Ohio, Michigan, and Wisconsin are becoming redder as Democrats leave those states for the Sun Belt. If Republicans commit to nationalist economics and drop the libertarian laissez-faire crap, then Pennsylvania becomes solid red, and Minnesota and Maine are now within reach, and Republicans can become somewhat competitive in New Jersey and Delaware. I'll even say that due to shifting demographics, New Hampshire and Vermont are also within the realm of possibility for going Republicans.

Not to mention that a Republican Party going hard populist on economics is going to win over a huge chunk of the white Bernie crowd too. Especially if some nationalist Republican starts floating the idea of taxing the rich at 1950s levels, with the rhetoric that the 0.1% are globalist anti-Americans...

On the flip of this scenario, however, Republicans will probably permanently lose Virginia and Georgia, and will be less competitive in Florida, Arizona, and Texas. Basically trading the Sun Belt for the Rust Belt. But I don't see what other choice they have? They are going to lose the Sun Belt anyways, but they can at least lock down the Rust Belt in conciliation. Otherwise if they try to keep the neocon/libertarian thing going post-Trump, they will lose the Rust Belt too and be left with nothing.

Essentially, the Democrats become the party of social liberalism, global capitalism, and an aggressive foreign policy. They'll probably take in a bunch of the Never-Trump Republicans and former neocons. Republicans become the party of work, family, and fatherland with an isolationist foreign policy. AOC-type progressives probably form a swing voting group that hates both sides (Democrats for being global capitalists, Republicans for being nationalists). Koch Brothers-style libertarianism is dead as a political movement.

Pro-gun social conservative populism is unlikely to permanently lose Florida, Georgia, Arizona, and Texas. Especially if it's pro-oil.

[Fahran]

I've seen it said by plenty of right wing people: you have to treat others as if they're people not objects for your satisfaction, so casual sex is verboten.

Because it's a common argument, both in conservative and Kantian liberal circles.

The basis of capitalism is labour as commodity. If labour is not commodity, no capitalism. If labour is not commodity, Fahran can't buy iphone. If Fahran doesn't treat brown people in another country as an object for Fahran's gratification, Fahran can't buy iphone.

You see the problem here?

I actually mentioned the essential nature of the relationship between an employer and an employee as one which treats the other as an object or means to an end in my previous post, at least without broader context. With regard to purchasing an iPhone, the correct statement would probably be more akin to Fahran ought not to buy an iPhone.

The right has no problem with using other people as objects when it comes to capitalism. It's only when its people having sex that they find it bad or something. Now this leads me to a conclusion: there is another reason that the right makes a special exemption for treating people as object when it comes to sex and nothing else.

There are, no doubt, additional arguments but, even within the framework in which we're presently operating, you cannot rationalize casual sex as ethical or a moral good. This is more of an elaborate "no you" than anything and, given my own admission that business relationships are by nature a form of objectification, supposing no other context, it's not a very successful one.

This is the reason — "y'all" are religious conservatives who want to apply judeo-christian social idealism to the world. That's fine. The problem is that judeo-christianism got cancelled a while ago and you can't make up a better reason than "don't use people as an object" when your reason should in fact be something along the lines of: "men and women need perpetual union to continue civilisation, get in the bin commie subversives", which is the Diop line that you all should be following but aren't because you're playing at being woke, unlike Diop.

Or, alternatively, I'm presenting an argument that a self-professed social democrat or socialist would find compelling, supposing they're not an out-and-out hedonist. It's not the most authentic argument possible, I'll admit that freely, but it's a functional and perfectly logical argument, especially when coupled with an argument on the telos of sexuality which might be implicitly rejected with simple nihilism or utilitarianism.

There's a reason all religions try to control the sexual behaviour of men and women, because when men can be guaranteed a family life they turn their energies and attentions to constructing civilisation, whereas when they can't be guaranteed a family life they turn their energies to eliminating it. Controlling both men and womens sexual behaviour makes society more stable, makes society more likely to produce civilisation, makes society more likely to produce lasting glory. All people recognised this since long time ago and implemented it into their code of ethics by saying if you don't follow it you pissed off Big Sky Man.

Thus ancient recognition of actual human condition became religious imperative.

Like I said in another post I don't think you can control men and women drinking vodka and putting white powder in their noses. They'll do it even in the most extreme of situations. What matters is that after a while they settle down and produce a family and direct their attentions to engineering civilisation. If they do that then it doesn't matter whether they treated ppl as object or not. If they don't then it doesn't either.

I'm more or less on board with this. Again, I wasn't really arguing for implementing laws to ban casual sex. I was more arguing that we acknowledge it as a moral vice on the grounds I mentioned, as well as on social, religious, and additional moral grounds.

[Salus Maior]

Considering the afromentioned tribal inheritance drama its quite worth of nothing how some involved parties keep attempting to drag the west and the US into it... ^^

Tbh, liberals are just about as responsible for the Israel/Middle East mess as a whole. In fact I'd say they're playing the most significant role.

How often do you hear the "But Israel is the only Western Democracy in the Middle East!!!" argument? It's liberal colonialism just as much as it is "restoring God's Chosen People" as the Evangelicals put it. And that's not even mentioning Iraq, or Hillary's attempt to do the same thing with Syria.

[Cekoviu]

alrighty lads and lasses (and laxxes or whatever), here are the in-depth rwdt statistics nobody asked for! :^)

methods
i selected four 10-page sections scattered throughout the current RWDT to use as representative source material. the tested pages were:

• 90 through 100 (primarily about Israel and whether swimming should be banned)
• 220 through 230 (hair for some reason, morality, and immigration)
• 320 through 330 (polygamy, mod decisions, smoking)
• 410 through 420 (sexual morality, "is progressivism a secular theology", alcohol)

in total, this is equal to 1000 posts on a wide range of topics relevant to the RWDT, so the posts made here should serve as an accurate image of typical RWDT occurrences.

next, i selected the 20 individuals who post in the RWDT regularly and are reasonably well-attested throughout the source pages:

Bear Stearns, Bienenhalde, Cekoviu, Diopolis, Fahran, Hanafuridake, Italios, Kowani, Luminesa, Nakena, Nap the Magnificent/The Marlborough, Northern Davincia, Novus America, Proctopeo, Questarian New Yorkshire, Salus Maior, The East Marches II, United Muscovite Nations, Valrifell, Washington Resistance Army

(halfway through, i realized i probably should've included joohan, but it was too late ;~;)

i then went through the pages selected for analysis and sorted posts by the aforementioned regulars into one of four categories: effortpost, normal post, minipost, or shitpost. the criteria are essentially as follows:

• effortpost - appeared to involve considerable effort on the part of the poster, containing multiple in-depth paragraphs and serious political analysis
• normal post - a post that appears to have involved some but not much effort to make, mostly on the order of multiple sentences to two paragraphs. includes political analysis that is not in-depth, religious argumentation, etc.
• minipost - a post that is one or two sentences or otherwise not terribly substantive, but which is serious and contributes to the conversation in a constructive manner
• shitpost - a post which is short and consists primarily or entirely of a joke, banter, or insult without contributing significantly to the conversation at hand

categorical judgments were based not on the political positions taken by posts, but their overall length and level of effort. there were of course borderline cases and my judgment is not impeccable, but as far as i can tell, the majority of posts clearly fell into one of these categories.

additionally, i used the ns profiles of users to obtain their total post count and found year (i included DEATed past incarnations in this, so the post total for, e.g. UMN includes both United Muscovite Nations and United Marxist Nations).

using the post counts per category, two indices of post quality (PQI) and overall contribution (OCI) were generated per user. the formulas are:


(n_m means "number of miniposts," etc. n on its own means total number of posts by the user within the pages analyzed.)
the primary differences between these two measurements are that OCI compounds contribution measurements exponentially, logarithmically decreases the weight of shitposts (as a user who shitposts frequently causes less damage by shitposting on her 55th time doing so than a new user on her 1st time doing so, since people adjust to it), and does not control for post total. OCI determines the direct amount of influence a user has on the RWDT, whereas PQI measures the merits of a user's posts without regard to the number or history.

results: demographics
the mean total post count for an RWDTer is approximately 23365, with the most prolific posters being UMN, luminesa, and WRA in that order and the least prolific being bienenhalde, bear stearns, and hanafuridake.

the gender ratio of the RWDTers analyzed here is 14:5:1 M:F:GQ, meaning that there is a significant gender disparity in comparison to real life, but it may be less severe than nsg at large (unfortunately, i can't seem to find any gender surveys on nsg)

the typical found date of an RWDT poster is mid-2014.

results: posting trends

Most regulars have a fairly minimal influence on the thread compared to a few much more influential people, according to OCI trends.

in contrast, many posters have overall decent post quality, with a few constant shitposters causing the most trouble.

the user with the highest average post quality was novus america (PQI = 0.968), followed by bear stearns (0.870) and kowani (0.859). the user with the lowest average quality was valrifell (PQI = -0.375), followed by TEM (-0.139) and proctopeo (-0.083).

the greatest overall contributor to the thread was questers (OCI = 1361.37), followed by fahran (666.67) and cekoviu (433.19). the lowest overall contributors were proctopeo (OCI = 6.22), luminesa (9.88), and bienenhalde (11.18).

no significant correlation between found year/total posts and OCI/PQI exists. additionally, there is no significant correlation between poster gender and OCI/PQI.

discussion
the high average post count and early found date for rwdters is not surprising, since many of the posters here have been around for quite a long time and are well-established on nsg. the fact that the rwdt is a sausage party was already obvious -- this is likely a combination of nsg's general lack of female posters and the rwdt's particular inability to be around women while maintaining any level of decorum.

i did not expect kowani and bear stearns to top the charts for PQI. i assume that their presence is essentially an artifact of sampling -- they both simply happened to make several out-of-character effortposts within this span, which boosted their scores significantly. the same is true for my presence at the top of the OCI charts, seeing as i am a relatively recent arrival and i mostly shitpost.

questers and fahran being at the top of the OCI ought to surprise nobody. luminesa and bienenhalde are low on this measurement not because their posts lack quality, but because they minimally posted within the page ranges surveyed.

resources
raw data csv
r script for analysis

conclusion
1) i have utterly wasted both my time and yours
2) proctopeo is statistically a consistently bad poster

kthxbai

[Valrifell]

alrighty lads and lasses (and laxxes or whatever), here are the in-depth rwdt statistics nobody asked for! :^)

methods
i selected four 10-page sections scattered throughout the current RWDT to use as representative source material. the tested pages were:

• 90 through 100 (primarily about Israel and whether swimming should be banned)
• 220 through 230 (hair for some reason, morality, and immigration)
• 320 through 330 (polygamy, mod decisions, smoking)
• 410 through 420 (sexual morality, "is progressivism a secular theology", alcohol)

in total, this is equal to 1000 posts on a wide range of topics relevant to the RWDT, so the posts made here should serve as an accurate image of typical RWDT occurrences.

next, i selected the 20 individuals who post in the RWDT regularly and are reasonably well-attested throughout the source pages:

Bear Stearns, Bienenhalde, Cekoviu, Diopolis, Fahran, Hanafuridake, Italios, Kowani, Luminesa, Nakena, Nap the Magnificent/The Marlborough, Northern Davincia, Novus America, Proctopeo, Questarian New Yorkshire, Salus Maior, The East Marches II, United Muscovite Nations, Valrifell, Washington Resistance Army

(halfway through, i realized i probably should've included joohan, but it was too late ;~;)

i then went through the pages selected for analysis and sorted posts by the aforementioned regulars into one of four categories: effortpost, normal post, minipost, or shitpost. the criteria are essentially as follows:

• effortpost - appeared to involve considerable effort on the part of the poster, containing multiple in-depth paragraphs and serious political analysis
• normal post - a post that appears to have involved some but not much effort to make, mostly on the order of multiple sentences to two paragraphs. includes political analysis that is not in-depth, religious argumentation, etc.
• minipost - a post that is one or two sentences or otherwise not terribly substantive, but which is serious and contributes to the conversation in a constructive manner
• shitpost - a post which is short and consists primarily or entirely of a joke, banter, or insult without contributing significantly to the conversation at hand

categorical judgments were based not on the political positions taken by posts, but their overall length and level of effort. there were of course borderline cases and my judgment is not impeccable, but as far as i can tell, the majority of posts clearly fell into one of these categories.

additionally, i used the ns profiles of users to obtain their total post count and found year (i included DEATed past incarnations in this, so the post total for, e.g. UMN includes both United Muscovite Nations and United Marxist Nations).

using the post counts per category, two indices of post quality (PQI) and overall contribution (OCI) were generated per user. the formulas are:
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(n_m means "number of miniposts," etc. n on its own means total number of posts by the user within the pages analyzed.)
the primary differences between these two measurements are that OCI compounds contribution measurements exponentially, logarithmically decreases the weight of shitposts (as a user who shitposts frequently causes less damage by shitposting on her 55th time doing so than a new user on her 1st time doing so, since people adjust to it), and does not control for post total. OCI determines the direct amount of influence a user has on the RWDT, whereas PQI measures the merits of a user's posts without regard to the number or history.

results: demographics
the mean total post count for an RWDTer is approximately 23365, with the most prolific posters being UMN, luminesa, and WRA in that order and the least prolific being bienenhalde, bear stearns, and hanafuridake.

the gender ratio of the RWDTers analyzed here is 14:5:1 M:F:GQ, meaning that there is a significant gender disparity in comparison to real life, but it may be less severe than nsg at large (unfortunately, i can't seem to find any gender surveys on nsg)

the typical found date of an RWDT poster is mid-2014.

results: posting trends

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Most regulars have a fairly minimal influence on the thread compared to a few much more influential people, according to OCI trends.

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in contrast, many posters have overall decent post quality, with a few constant shitposters causing the most trouble.

the user with the highest average post quality was novus america (PQI = 0.968), followed by bear stearns (0.870) and kowani (0.859). the user with the lowest average quality was valrifell (PQI = -0.375), followed by TEM (-0.139) and proctopeo (-0.083).

the greatest overall contributor to the thread was questers (OCI = 1361.37), followed by fahran (666.67) and cekoviu (433.19). the lowest overall contributors were proctopeo (OCI = 6.22), luminesa (9.88), and bienenhalde (11.18).

no significant correlation between found year/total posts and OCI/PQI exists. additionally, there is no significant correlation between poster gender and OCI/PQI.

discussion
the high average post count and early found date for rwdters is not surprising, since many of the posters here have been around for quite a long time and are well-established on nsg. the fact that the rwdt is a sausage party was already obvious -- this is likely a combination of nsg's general lack of female posters and the rwdt's particular inability to be around women while maintaining any level of decorum.

i did not expect kowani and bear stearns to top the charts for PQI. i assume that their presence is essentially an artifact of sampling -- they both simply happened to make several out-of-character effortposts within this span, which boosted their scores significantly. the same is true for my presence at the top of the OCI charts, seeing as i am a relatively recent arrival and i mostly shitpost.

questers and fahran being at the top of the OCI ought to surprise nobody. luminesa and bienenhalde are low on this measurement not because their posts lack quality, but because they minimally posted within the page ranges surveyed.

resources
raw data csv
r script for analysis

conclusion
1) i have utterly wasted both my time and yours
2) proctopeo is statistically a consistently bad poster

kthxbai

This is beautiful.

[Diopolis]

alrighty lads and lasses (and laxxes or whatever), here are the in-depth rwdt statistics nobody asked for! :^)

methods
i selected four 10-page sections scattered throughout the current RWDT to use as representative source material. the tested pages were:

• 90 through 100 (primarily about Israel and whether swimming should be banned)
• 220 through 230 (hair for some reason, morality, and immigration)
• 320 through 330 (polygamy, mod decisions, smoking)
• 410 through 420 (sexual morality, "is progressivism a secular theology", alcohol)

in total, this is equal to 1000 posts on a wide range of topics relevant to the RWDT, so the posts made here should serve as an accurate image of typical RWDT occurrences.

next, i selected the 20 individuals who post in the RWDT regularly and are reasonably well-attested throughout the source pages:

Bear Stearns, Bienenhalde, Cekoviu, Diopolis, Fahran, Hanafuridake, Italios, Kowani, Luminesa, Nakena, Nap the Magnificent/The Marlborough, Northern Davincia, Novus America, Proctopeo, Questarian New Yorkshire, Salus Maior, The East Marches II, United Muscovite Nations, Valrifell, Washington Resistance Army

(halfway through, i realized i probably should've included joohan, but it was too late ;~;)

i then went through the pages selected for analysis and sorted posts by the aforementioned regulars into one of four categories: effortpost, normal post, minipost, or shitpost. the criteria are essentially as follows:

• effortpost - appeared to involve considerable effort on the part of the poster, containing multiple in-depth paragraphs and serious political analysis
• normal post - a post that appears to have involved some but not much effort to make, mostly on the order of multiple sentences to two paragraphs. includes political analysis that is not in-depth, religious argumentation, etc.
• minipost - a post that is one or two sentences or otherwise not terribly substantive, but which is serious and contributes to the conversation in a constructive manner
• shitpost - a post which is short and consists primarily or entirely of a joke, banter, or insult without contributing significantly to the conversation at hand

categorical judgments were based not on the political positions taken by posts, but their overall length and level of effort. there were of course borderline cases and my judgment is not impeccable, but as far as i can tell, the majority of posts clearly fell into one of these categories.

additionally, i used the ns profiles of users to obtain their total post count and found year (i included DEATed past incarnations in this, so the post total for, e.g. UMN includes both United Muscovite Nations and United Marxist Nations).

using the post counts per category, two indices of post quality (PQI) and overall contribution (OCI) were generated per user. the formulas are:
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(n_m means "number of miniposts," etc. n on its own means total number of posts by the user within the pages analyzed.)
the primary differences between these two measurements are that OCI compounds contribution measurements exponentially, logarithmically decreases the weight of shitposts (as a user who shitposts frequently causes less damage by shitposting on her 55th time doing so than a new user on her 1st time doing so, since people adjust to it), and does not control for post total. OCI determines the direct amount of influence a user has on the RWDT, whereas PQI measures the merits of a user's posts without regard to the number or history.

results: demographics
the mean total post count for an RWDTer is approximately 23365, with the most prolific posters being UMN, luminesa, and WRA in that order and the least prolific being bienenhalde, bear stearns, and hanafuridake.

the gender ratio of the RWDTers analyzed here is 14:5:1 M:F:GQ, meaning that there is a significant gender disparity in comparison to real life, but it may be less severe than nsg at large (unfortunately, i can't seem to find any gender surveys on nsg)

the typical found date of an RWDT poster is mid-2014.

results: posting trends

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Most regulars have a fairly minimal influence on the thread compared to a few much more influential people, according to OCI trends.

(Image)
in contrast, many posters have overall decent post quality, with a few constant shitposters causing the most trouble.

the user with the highest average post quality was novus america (PQI = 0.968), followed by bear stearns (0.870) and kowani (0.859). the user with the lowest average quality was valrifell (PQI = -0.375), followed by TEM (-0.139) and proctopeo (-0.083).

the greatest overall contributor to the thread was questers (OCI = 1361.37), followed by fahran (666.67) and cekoviu (433.19). the lowest overall contributors were proctopeo (OCI = 6.22), luminesa (9.88), and bienenhalde (11.18).

no significant correlation between found year/total posts and OCI/PQI exists. additionally, there is no significant correlation between poster gender and OCI/PQI.

discussion
the high average post count and early found date for rwdters is not surprising, since many of the posters here have been around for quite a long time and are well-established on nsg. the fact that the rwdt is a sausage party was already obvious -- this is likely a combination of nsg's general lack of female posters and the rwdt's particular inability to be around women while maintaining any level of decorum.

i did not expect kowani and bear stearns to top the charts for PQI. i assume that their presence is essentially an artifact of sampling -- they both simply happened to make several out-of-character effortposts within this span, which boosted their scores significantly. the same is true for my presence at the top of the OCI charts, seeing as i am a relatively recent arrival and i mostly shitpost.

questers and fahran being at the top of the OCI ought to surprise nobody. luminesa and bienenhalde are low on this measurement not because their posts lack quality, but because they minimally posted within the page ranges surveyed.

resources
raw data csv
r script for analysis

conclusion
1) i have utterly wasted both my time and yours
2) proctopeo is statistically a consistently bad poster
Shelter in place is extremely boring. Like, boring enough to do this.
kthxbai

Fixed.

[Fahran]

Conclusion: We all need better hobbies.

[Cekoviu]

Fixed.

no that's absolutely accurate, i'm dying of boredom

[Salus Maior]

So, as I understand it, I'm not the best poster but I'm not the worst.

That's consistent with the rest of my life.

[Cekoviu]

So, as I understand it, I'm not the best poster but I'm not the worst.

That's consistent with the rest of my life.

you're actually on the higher end of the post quality scale (6th place)

[Valrifell]

It must have been very tempting to thumb the scales so you'd end up first.

[Proctopeo]

2) proctopeo is statistically a consistently bad poster

How dare you slander me with your number magic!

Though this is perhaps an artifact of me being the least represented user in the source data, and my general disposition to brevity over text walls. I can't sustain being wordy for very long

[Cekoviu]

It must have been very tempting to thumb the scales so you'd end up first.

my shitpost count is so high that i think that would be impossible

uh, i mean, something something research ethics

[Cekoviu]

2) proctopeo is statistically a consistently bad poster

How dare you slander me with your number magic!

Though this is perhaps an artifact of me being the least represented user in the source data, and my general disposition to brevity over text walls. I can't sustain being wordy for very long

akshually bienenhalde is the least represented user and he came out with a very high post quality compared to ur abysmal one :^)

[Nakena]

alrighty lads and lasses (and laxxes or whatever), here are the in-depth rwdt statistics nobody asked for! :^)

methods
i selected four 10-page sections scattered throughout the current RWDT to use as representative source material. the tested pages were:

• 90 through 100 (primarily about Israel and whether swimming should be banned)
• 220 through 230 (hair for some reason, morality, and immigration)
• 320 through 330 (polygamy, mod decisions, smoking)
• 410 through 420 (sexual morality, "is progressivism a secular theology", alcohol)

in total, this is equal to 1000 posts on a wide range of topics relevant to the RWDT, so the posts made here should serve as an accurate image of typical RWDT occurrences.

next, i selected the 20 individuals who post in the RWDT regularly and are reasonably well-attested throughout the source pages:

Bear Stearns, Bienenhalde, Cekoviu, Diopolis, Fahran, Hanafuridake, Italios, Kowani, Luminesa, Nakena, Nap the Magnificent/The Marlborough, Northern Davincia, Novus America, Proctopeo, Questarian New Yorkshire, Salus Maior, The East Marches II, United Muscovite Nations, Valrifell, Washington Resistance Army

(halfway through, i realized i probably should've included joohan, but it was too late ;~;)

i then went through the pages selected for analysis and sorted posts by the aforementioned regulars into one of four categories: effortpost, normal post, minipost, or shitpost. the criteria are essentially as follows:

• effortpost - appeared to involve considerable effort on the part of the poster, containing multiple in-depth paragraphs and serious political analysis
• normal post - a post that appears to have involved some but not much effort to make, mostly on the order of multiple sentences to two paragraphs. includes political analysis that is not in-depth, religious argumentation, etc.
• minipost - a post that is one or two sentences or otherwise not terribly substantive, but which is serious and contributes to the conversation in a constructive manner
• shitpost - a post which is short and consists primarily or entirely of a joke, banter, or insult without contributing significantly to the conversation at hand

categorical judgments were based not on the political positions taken by posts, but their overall length and level of effort. there were of course borderline cases and my judgment is not impeccable, but as far as i can tell, the majority of posts clearly fell into one of these categories.

additionally, i used the ns profiles of users to obtain their total post count and found year (i included DEATed past incarnations in this, so the post total for, e.g. UMN includes both United Muscovite Nations and United Marxist Nations).

using the post counts per category, two indices of post quality (PQI) and overall contribution (OCI) were generated per user. the formulas are:
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(n_m means "number of miniposts," etc. n on its own means total number of posts by the user within the pages analyzed.)
the primary differences between these two measurements are that OCI compounds contribution measurements exponentially, logarithmically decreases the weight of shitposts (as a user who shitposts frequently causes less damage by shitposting on her 55th time doing so than a new user on her 1st time doing so, since people adjust to it), and does not control for post total. OCI determines the direct amount of influence a user has on the RWDT, whereas PQI measures the merits of a user's posts without regard to the number or history.

results: demographics
the mean total post count for an RWDTer is approximately 23365, with the most prolific posters being UMN, luminesa, and WRA in that order and the least prolific being bienenhalde, bear stearns, and hanafuridake.

the gender ratio of the RWDTers analyzed here is 14:5:1 M:F:GQ, meaning that there is a significant gender disparity in comparison to real life, but it may be less severe than nsg at large (unfortunately, i can't seem to find any gender surveys on nsg)

the typical found date of an RWDT poster is mid-2014.

results: posting trends

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Most regulars have a fairly minimal influence on the thread compared to a few much more influential people, according to OCI trends.

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in contrast, many posters have overall decent post quality, with a few constant shitposters causing the most trouble.

the user with the highest average post quality was novus america (PQI = 0.968), followed by bear stearns (0.870) and kowani (0.859). the user with the lowest average quality was valrifell (PQI = -0.375), followed by TEM (-0.139) and proctopeo (-0.083).

the greatest overall contributor to the thread was questers (OCI = 1361.37), followed by fahran (666.67) and cekoviu (433.19). the lowest overall contributors were proctopeo (OCI = 6.22), luminesa (9.88), and bienenhalde (11.18).

no significant correlation between found year/total posts and OCI/PQI exists. additionally, there is no significant correlation between poster gender and OCI/PQI.

discussion
the high average post count and early found date for rwdters is not surprising, since many of the posters here have been around for quite a long time and are well-established on nsg. the fact that the rwdt is a sausage party was already obvious -- this is likely a combination of nsg's general lack of female posters and the rwdt's particular inability to be around women while maintaining any level of decorum.

i did not expect kowani and bear stearns to top the charts for PQI. i assume that their presence is essentially an artifact of sampling -- they both simply happened to make several out-of-character effortposts within this span, which boosted their scores significantly. the same is true for my presence at the top of the OCI charts, seeing as i am a relatively recent arrival and i mostly shitpost.

questers and fahran being at the top of the OCI ought to surprise nobody. luminesa and bienenhalde are low on this measurement not because their posts lack quality, but because they minimally posted within the page ranges surveyed.

resources
raw data csv
r script for analysis

conclusion
1) i have utterly wasted both my time and yours
2) proctopeo is statistically a consistently bad poster

kthxbai

The bestest post to end all posts.

[Proctopeo]

How dare you slander me with your number magic!

Though this is perhaps an artifact of me being the least represented user in the source data, and my general disposition to brevity over text walls. I can't sustain being wordy for very long

akshually bienenhalde is the least represented user and he came out with a very high post quality compared to ur abysmal one :^)

ah I misunderstood the numbers, Mason.

But still, I'm not a very active poster here (usually) and as I said, I'm prone to brevity.

[Bienenhalde]

Though this is perhaps an artifact of me being the least represented user in the source data, and my general disposition to brevity over text walls. I can't sustain being wordy for very long

akshually bienenhalde is the least represented user and he came out with a very high post quality compared to ur abysmal one :^)

To be fair, as lazy as he may be, Proct comes off as a friendly person with a good sense of humour and not an obnoxious troll, which is more than can be said for certain other posters on NSG.

[Nakena]

Fixed.

no that's absolutely accurate, i'm dying of boredom

I throughly enjoyed it.

[Cekoviu]

akshually bienenhalde is the least represented user and he came out with a very high post quality compared to ur abysmal one :^)

To be fair, as lazy as he may be, Proct comes off as a friendly person with a good sense of humour and not an obnoxious troll, which is more than can be said for certain other posters on NSG.

i agree, but unfortunately my formulas don't factor in friendliness

[Joohan]

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I'm just happy to have been mentioned. I usually get left out of the usual gang.

[Questarian New Yorkshire]

alrighty lads and lasses (and laxxes or whatever), here are the in-depth rwdt statistics nobody asked for! :^)

methods
i selected four 10-page sections scattered throughout the current RWDT to use as representative source material. the tested pages were:

• 90 through 100 (primarily about Israel and whether swimming should be banned)
• 220 through 230 (hair for some reason, morality, and immigration)
• 320 through 330 (polygamy, mod decisions, smoking)
• 410 through 420 (sexual morality, "is progressivism a secular theology", alcohol)

in total, this is equal to 1000 posts on a wide range of topics relevant to the RWDT, so the posts made here should serve as an accurate image of typical RWDT occurrences.

next, i selected the 20 individuals who post in the RWDT regularly and are reasonably well-attested throughout the source pages:

Bear Stearns, Bienenhalde, Cekoviu, Diopolis, Fahran, Hanafuridake, Italios, Kowani, Luminesa, Nakena, Nap the Magnificent/The Marlborough, Northern Davincia, Novus America, Proctopeo, Questarian New Yorkshire, Salus Maior, The East Marches II, United Muscovite Nations, Valrifell, Washington Resistance Army

(halfway through, i realized i probably should've included joohan, but it was too late ;~;)

i then went through the pages selected for analysis and sorted posts by the aforementioned regulars into one of four categories: effortpost, normal post, minipost, or shitpost. the criteria are essentially as follows:

• effortpost - appeared to involve considerable effort on the part of the poster, containing multiple in-depth paragraphs and serious political analysis
• normal post - a post that appears to have involved some but not much effort to make, mostly on the order of multiple sentences to two paragraphs. includes political analysis that is not in-depth, religious argumentation, etc.
• minipost - a post that is one or two sentences or otherwise not terribly substantive, but which is serious and contributes to the conversation in a constructive manner
• shitpost - a post which is short and consists primarily or entirely of a joke, banter, or insult without contributing significantly to the conversation at hand

categorical judgments were based not on the political positions taken by posts, but their overall length and level of effort. there were of course borderline cases and my judgment is not impeccable, but as far as i can tell, the majority of posts clearly fell into one of these categories.

additionally, i used the ns profiles of users to obtain their total post count and found year (i included DEATed past incarnations in this, so the post total for, e.g. UMN includes both United Muscovite Nations and United Marxist Nations).

using the post counts per category, two indices of post quality (PQI) and overall contribution (OCI) were generated per user. the formulas are:
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(n_m means "number of miniposts," etc. n on its own means total number of posts by the user within the pages analyzed.)
the primary differences between these two measurements are that OCI compounds contribution measurements exponentially, logarithmically decreases the weight of shitposts (as a user who shitposts frequently causes less damage by shitposting on her 55th time doing so than a new user on her 1st time doing so, since people adjust to it), and does not control for post total. OCI determines the direct amount of influence a user has on the RWDT, whereas PQI measures the merits of a user's posts without regard to the number or history.

results: demographics
the mean total post count for an RWDTer is approximately 23365, with the most prolific posters being UMN, luminesa, and WRA in that order and the least prolific being bienenhalde, bear stearns, and hanafuridake.

the gender ratio of the RWDTers analyzed here is 14:5:1 M:F:GQ, meaning that there is a significant gender disparity in comparison to real life, but it may be less severe than nsg at large (unfortunately, i can't seem to find any gender surveys on nsg)

the typical found date of an RWDT poster is mid-2014.

results: posting trends

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Most regulars have a fairly minimal influence on the thread compared to a few much more influential people, according to OCI trends.

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in contrast, many posters have overall decent post quality, with a few constant shitposters causing the most trouble.

the user with the highest average post quality was novus america (PQI = 0.968), followed by bear stearns (0.870) and kowani (0.859). the user with the lowest average quality was valrifell (PQI = -0.375), followed by TEM (-0.139) and proctopeo (-0.083).

the greatest overall contributor to the thread was questers (OCI = 1361.37), followed by fahran (666.67) and cekoviu (433.19). the lowest overall contributors were proctopeo (OCI = 6.22), luminesa (9.88), and bienenhalde (11.18).

no significant correlation between found year/total posts and OCI/PQI exists. additionally, there is no significant correlation between poster gender and OCI/PQI.

discussion
the high average post count and early found date for rwdters is not surprising, since many of the posters here have been around for quite a long time and are well-established on nsg. the fact that the rwdt is a sausage party was already obvious -- this is likely a combination of nsg's general lack of female posters and the rwdt's particular inability to be around women while maintaining any level of decorum.

i did not expect kowani and bear stearns to top the charts for PQI. i assume that their presence is essentially an artifact of sampling -- they both simply happened to make several out-of-character effortposts within this span, which boosted their scores significantly. the same is true for my presence at the top of the OCI charts, seeing as i am a relatively recent arrival and i mostly shitpost.

questers and fahran being at the top of the OCI ought to surprise nobody. luminesa and bienenhalde are low on this measurement not because their posts lack quality, but because they minimally posted within the page ranges surveyed.

resources
raw data csv
r script for analysis

conclusion
1) i have utterly wasted both my time and yours
2) proctopeo is statistically a consistently bad poster

kthxbai

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[Questarian New Yorkshire]

the primary differences between these two measurements are that OCI compounds contribution measurements exponentially, logarithmically decreases the weight of shitposts (as a user who shitposts frequently causes less damage by shitposting on her 55th time doing so than a new user on her 1st time doing so, since people adjust to it), and does not control for post total. OCI determines the direct amount of influence a user has on the RWDT, whereas PQI measures the merits of a user's posts without regard to the number or history.

actually very intelligetn

be honest: did you steal this from a similar study or u made it urself?

very thorough and well done

[Auze]

Well, looks like I'm off the hook by virtue of not being a regular.

That's also a good representation of a lot of things in my life.