LWDT IX: Discussing the Left From All Engels

[Valrifell]

No one is entitled to things they have not worked for, provided they have the ability to.

I always pegged you as the Marxist type deep down.

[Northern Davincia]

No one is entitled to things they have not worked for, provided they have the ability to.

I always pegged you as the Marxist type deep down.

Marx was a leisure addict and mooched off Engels, you can't change my mind.

[South Reinkalistan]

Perhaps, but that does not validate the labor value theory.

I'm not presently using it as an argument to validate the labour value theory, I'm merely using it to contradict No State Here's implication that employee and employer are on equal footing.

[Cekoviu]

Luckily value is not inherent to any product.

And employment is a contract both parties have agreed to, so "fruits of labor" Marxist logic falls apart

A contract which was agreed to by one party essentially under duress. Any exchange involving money is inherently coercive and a contract agreed to under coercion is not valid.

[Cekoviu]

“Work or starve” is not really a coercion free choice.

No one is entitled to things they have not worked for, provided they have the ability to.

Great, so CEOs and co. should not be leeching off of the fruit of the proletariat's labors. I'm glad we're on the same page.

[Northern Davincia]

No one is entitled to things they have not worked for, provided they have the ability to.

Great, so CEOs and co. should not be leeching off of the fruit of the proletariat's labors. I'm glad we're on the same page.

CEOs typically work longer hours than the teeming masses below them. I will not discount the intellectual labor of our corporate betters.

[Cekoviu]

Great, so CEOs and co. should not be leeching off of the fruit of the proletariat's labors. I'm glad we're on the same page.

CEOs typically work longer hours than the teeming masses below them. I will not discount the intellectual labor of our corporate betters.

How do those boots taste?

[Northern Davincia]

CEOs typically work longer hours than the teeming masses below them. I will not discount the intellectual labor of our corporate betters.

How do those boots taste?

[Kowani]

Great, so CEOs and co. should not be leeching off of the fruit of the proletariat's labors. I'm glad we're on the same page.

CEOs typically work longer hours than the teeming masses below them. I will not discount the intellectual labor of our corporate betters.

Longer hours, maybe. Letting executives set their own pay, and then divorcing it entirely from anything but stock prices, and no other form of performance is a mockery of meritocracy.

[Northern Davincia]

CEOs typically work longer hours than the teeming masses below them. I will not discount the intellectual labor of our corporate betters.

Longer hours, maybe. Letting executives set their own pay, and then divorcing it entirely from anything but stock prices, and no other form of performance is a mockery of meritocracy.

What do you define as "form of performance"?

[Aureumterra]

CEOs typically work longer hours than the teeming masses below them. I will not discount the intellectual labor of our corporate betters.

Longer hours, maybe. Letting executives set their own pay, and then divorcing it entirely from anything but stock prices, and no other form of performance is a mockery of meritocracy.

That’s why the board exists

[Cekoviu]

How do those boots taste?

Or work slightly less and don't gulag people, which would free up exactly as much space

[South Reinkalistan]

Longer hours, maybe. Letting executives set their own pay, and then divorcing it entirely from anything but stock prices, and no other form of performance is a mockery of meritocracy.

That’s why the board exists

Mhm. Because things are invariably made better by more self-interested leeches.

[Antibuda]

Or work slightly less and don't gulag people, which would free up exactly as much space

You see, that's not the communist way. Working less would mean less money for gulag, and less money for gulag means no gulag. No gulag means no gulag.

[Aureumterra]

That’s why the board exists

Mhm. Because things are invariably made better by more self-interested leeches.

I don’t think you’re getting the point

[Northern Davincia]

Or work slightly less and don't gulag people, which would free up exactly as much space

You see, that's not the communist way. Working less would mean less money for gulag, and less money for gulag means no gulag. No gulag means no gulag.

This is correct.

[Aureumterra]

Or work slightly less and don't gulag people, which would free up exactly as much space

You see, that's not the communist way. Working less would mean less money for gulag, and less money for gulag means no gulag. No gulag means no gulag.

Starving anyone who makes more than a certain amount is fun! C'mon

[Valrifell]

You see, that's not the communist way. Working less would mean less money for gulag, and less money for gulag means no gulag. No gulag means no gulag.

Starving anyone who makes more than a certain amount is fun! C'mon

Starving people is only acceptable if I find them personally annoying.

[Antibuda]

You see, that's not the communist way. Working less would mean less money for gulag, and less money for gulag means no gulag. No gulag means no gulag.

Starving anyone who makes more than a certain amount is fun! C'mon

Yeah, who wants only some people to be rich? With communism, nobody's rich! And, no poverty*!

*Note: Nobody is in more poverty than anyone else. Everyone is in poverty.

[No State Here]

You see, that's not the communist way. Working less would mean less money for gulag, and less money for gulag means no gulag. No gulag means no gulag.

Starving anyone who makes more than a certain amount is fun! C'mon

Instead of spending valuable time and money running gulags, why not just go the Fidel Castro way and shoot dirty capitalists on the beach?

/s

[Kowani]

Longer hours, maybe. Letting executives set their own pay, and then divorcing it entirely from anything but stock prices, and no other form of performance is a mockery of meritocracy.

What do you define as "form of performance"?

Job creation, actual revenue, market share…

We don’t need any more Sears where you can drive the company into bankruptcy, and walk away with several million in bonuses while the workers don’t get severance pay.

[Antibuda]

Instead of spending valuable time and money running gulags, why not just go the Fidel Castro way and shoot dirty capitalists on the beach?

For that, you need:
1: dirty capitalists
2: beaches
Which were either unavailable or undesirered (pretty sure you can tell which is which).

[Fahran]

Mhm. Because things are invariably made better by more self-interested leeches.

Hello. I'm Fahran. I'm the person not dehumanizing other people.

[Fahran]

How do those boots taste?

They're probably wearing shoes crafted from the finest baby cow leather.

[Antibuda]

How do those boots taste?

They're probably wearing shoes crafted from the finest baby cow leather.

Dang, that shoe company would run out of business in a matter of weeks, and not because of no business. Firstly, no more cows being bred = no more cows, and secondly, communism.