America riots after Police kill unarmed Black Man

[Fartsniffage]

Or he's learned something about their prior relationship at the bar that we don't know.

But still, I think it's a bad call. This guy gets off and goodnight America.

Ellison is going to have to prove the initial arrest of floyd was a felony in it self. Murder 3, show the video we are done it's enough to convict.

Why would he have to prove the arrest was a felony? Murder 2 just requires intent to kill.

[Novus America]

https://www.chicagotribune.com/nation-world/ct-nw-minneapolis-george-floyd-cops-charges-20200603-pklbuy3mk5eb5dhwo7g7oep4yi-story.html


It looks like the murder charge against chauvin is being upgraded to murder 2. I guess Ellison wants him to get off.

What makes you think that?

It seems like a stupid, unnecessarily high risk gamble for no good reason.
Early charges were sufficient and easy to prove, upgrading the charge makes getting a conviction harder.

[Rusozak]

Ellison is going to have to prove the initial arrest of floyd was a felony in it self. Murder 3, show the video we are done it's enough to convict.

Why would he have to prove the arrest was a felony? Murder 2 just requires intent to kill.

Not necessarily. 2nd degree murder just needs to prove that harm was intended without intent to kill. Which I don't think should be too hard.

[Gormwood]

What makes you think that?

It seems like a stupid, unnecessarily high risk gamble for no good reason.
Early charges were sufficient and easy to prove, upgrading the charge makes getting a conviction harder.

Like the protestors would be happy with the comparative wrist slap and settle down.

[Cisairse]

The other three murderers were charged, FINALLY

sic semper tyrannus

[The New California Republic]

Attempted murder right here.

https://twitter.com/Terrence_STR/status ... 2308042752

Absolute fucking wankstains.

[Ifreann]

The other three murderers were charged, FINALLY

sic semper tyrannus

Yes, tyrants are always eventually charged under the legal system they uphold.

[Novus America]

It seems like a stupid, unnecessarily high risk gamble for no good reason.
Early charges were sufficient and easy to prove, upgrading the charge makes getting a conviction harder.

Like the protestors would be happy with the comparative wrist slap and settle down.

Third degree murder in Minnesota is punished by up to 25 years in prison. Hardly a wrist slap.
Sure second degree murder increases the maximum sentence but it is not guaranteed to actually get a stricter punishment because it does not appear there is a mandatory minimum in the statute.

[Fartsniffage]

Attempted murder right here.

https://twitter.com/Terrence_STR/status ... 2308042752

Absolute fucking wankstains.

Wankstain....not heard that one for a while.

[The Grand Duchy Of Nova Capile]

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Great irrefutable evidence there, clearly demonstrates that right-wing groups are out there looting and rioting in full force.

That article presents literally zero evidence beyond its own word— and forgive me for not taking NBC's word as truth. According to some tweets I've seen by people including Patrick Casey, who have just as much if not more credibility than NBC, they contacted the guy who tweeted that and he's just a troll, with no connection to right-wing groups at all. According to them, the only reason NBC linked him to right-wing groups was because of his username. And since NBC provides literally no justification or evidence for the troll's links to Identity Evropa, I'm obliged to disbelieve them.

Even if this article were true, it would prove nothing. It would only mean that one guy who supposedly is "linked to" Identity Evropa has been trolling Antifa, not that right-wing groups are organizing in force to loot stores and cause chaos. You are all stretching the truth farther than I've ever seen before.

[SD_Film Artists]

I'll ask again, since you didn't answer. Who's linking darker skin to criminality? The poster clearly doesn't. I certainly never said anything of the sort. Who are you talking about? What are you talking about?

The posters are- notice how it's the white people who are apparently in good standing with the police while they are purposely having dark squares (assumed to be people of colour) being involved with the police. They forget that many white people also commit crimes too.

I'm joking of course, as the chances are that they were saying that ignoring colour means that you ignore police brutality against black people. But as I said earlier, I was entertaining their over-simplistic method of addressing complex socio-economic issues.

[Cisairse]

The other three murderers were charged, FINALLY

sic semper tyrannus

Yes, tyrants are always eventually charged under the legal system they uphold.

hella

[The New California Republic]

Absolute fucking wankstains.

Wankstain....not heard that one for a while.

It's actually a bit more commonly used in Scotland than England I believe.

[Aureumterra]

Apparently someone decided it was cool/funny to livestream the murder of the (black) police chief by looters

[Fartsniffage]

Snapchat says it has stopped promoting President Trump's account on its Discovery section, vowing to "not amplify voices who incite racial violence and injustice".

The decision follows Mr Trump saying that "vicious dogs" and "ominous weapons" would have been used on protesters if they had breached the White House fence.

In a statement, Snapchat said: "Racial violence and injustice have no place in our society and we stand together with all who seek peace, love, equality, and justice in America."

The move is likely to feed into tensions between the White House and social media companies, which escalated when Twitter added fact-checking tags to some of the President's tweets last week.

In response, he called for legislation to curb legal protections offered to the industry.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-u ... type=share

[Farnhamia]

I'm going to say it again: The US in general is millions of idiots shooting each other.

*** Warned for trolling ***

Take some time to read the Rules.

[San Lumen]

Why would he have to prove the arrest was a felony? Murder 2 just requires intent to kill.

Not necessarily. 2nd degree murder just needs to prove that harm was intended without intent to kill. Which I don't think should be too hard.

I don’t think that’s going to be that hard to prove either

[No State Here]

Apparently someone decided it was cool/funny to livestream the murder of the (black) police chief by looters

I saw the video, those looters should be charged and thrown in prison like the police who killed Floyd.

He was just trying to protect businesses

[Dumb Ideologies]

Not necessarily. 2nd degree murder just needs to prove that harm was intended without intent to kill. Which I don't think should be too hard.

I don’t think that’s going to be that hard to prove either

Never underestimate an American defence lawyer in a high profile case.

[SD_Film Artists]

I don’t think that’s going to be that hard to prove either

Never underestimate an American defence lawyer in a high profile case.

That and even clear-cut cases can take several months to close.

[San Lumen]

I don’t think that’s going to be that hard to prove either

Never underestimate an American defence lawyer in a high profile case.

Ellison is a smart man. I don’t think he’d be doing this if he doesn’t think a conviction can be gotten

[Dresderstan]

I don’t think that’s going to be that hard to prove either

Never underestimate an American defence lawyer in a high profile case.

Or a jury that is either deadlocked or clearly biased.

[Novus America]

Why would he have to prove the arrest was a felony? Murder 2 just requires intent to kill.

Not necessarily. 2nd degree murder just needs to prove that harm was intended without intent to kill. Which I don't think should be too hard.

It varies. In states with third degree murder it is usually harder to prove second degree murder (basically splitting second degree murder into two degrees).
https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/609.19
In Minnesota it appears second degree does require intent to kill, except in two cases which do not seem to apply here.

Meanwhile 3rd degree appears to be a slam dunk case.https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/609.195
So from a cost benefit analysis why?

Does he really think getting a second degree over third degree will make people much happier?
It brings little extra benefit. Only the possibility but no guarantee of a somewhat longer sentence.

Meanwhile it is high risk. Is the chance of possibly getting a longer sentence worth the Increased risk of an acquittal?

Maybe he knows something I do not but it seems really ill advised to me.

Just go for the slam dunk charge, get your murder conviction and go for the maximum sentence. Not gamble it all on an all or nothing high risk proposition.

[Novus America]

Never underestimate an American defence lawyer in a high profile case.

Ellison is a smart man. I don’t think he’d be doing this if he doesn’t think a conviction can be gotten

Smart men sometimes do stupid things:
https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/609.195
Slam dunk.

Much harder to prove:
https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/609.19

And why take the risk? For a small possibility (but no guarantee) of a few extra years?

[Fartsniffage]

Not necessarily. 2nd degree murder just needs to prove that harm was intended without intent to kill. Which I don't think should be too hard.

It varies. In states with third degree murder it is usually harder to prove second degree murder (basically splitting second degree murder into two degrees).
https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/609.19
In Minnesota it appears second degree does require intent to kill, except in two cases which do not seem to apply here.

Meanwhile 3rd degree appears to be a slam dunk case.https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/609.195
So from a cost benefit analysis why?

Does he really think getting a second degree over third degree will make people much happier?
It brings little extra benefit. Only the possibility but no guarantee of a somewhat longer sentence.

Meanwhile it is high risk. Is the chance of possibly getting a longer sentence worth the Increased risk of an acquittal?

Maybe he knows something I do not but it seems really ill advised to me.

Just go for the slam dunk charge, get your murder conviction and go for the maximum sentence. Not gamble it all on an all or nothing high risk proposition.

And in this case, do not go for a plea deal.