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by Exxosia » Tue Jun 02, 2020 11:28 am
by Vassenor » Tue Jun 02, 2020 11:29 am
Exxosia wrote:All lives matter says we should look outside racist parameters and try to find a solution.
Black lives matter says that black people are special in their victimhood and including others takes away from that. They would rather maintain their victimhood than have a solution to their problems because the only way to resolve it is to treat the entire thing rather than just their corner of it.
It's like if someone was being mauled by a bear, they have mild lacerations on most of their body but their leg is ripped to shreds. Black Lives Matter is saying we need to fixate on the leg, All Lives Matter is saying we need to do something about the bear. Black Lives Matter wants us to bandage the leg while the bear is still mauling away, when we really need to get the bear situation resolved and then give them first priority in the triage of care afterward.
by Centai Mal » Tue Jun 02, 2020 11:31 am
Vassenor wrote:Exxosia wrote:All lives matter says we should look outside racist parameters and try to find a solution.
Black lives matter says that black people are special in their victimhood and including others takes away from that. They would rather maintain their victimhood than have a solution to their problems because the only way to resolve it is to treat the entire thing rather than just their corner of it.
It's like if someone was being mauled by a bear, they have mild lacerations on most of their body but their leg is ripped to shreds. Black Lives Matter is saying we need to fixate on the leg, All Lives Matter is saying we need to do something about the bear. Black Lives Matter wants us to bandage the leg while the bear is still mauling away, when we really need to get the bear situation resolved and then give them first priority in the triage of care afterward.
So why does that analogy not mesh with all the BLM advocates I see calling for major systemic change?
by Nanatsu no Tsuki » Tue Jun 02, 2020 11:36 am
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by Diarcesia » Tue Jun 02, 2020 11:44 am
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:Centai Mal wrote:Because it means white people aren't the center of the universe
Honestly, if anyone advocates that all lives truly matter, they would understand why we’re focusing on black lives right now. They’re being victimized and killed by police too often. They face racism and discrimination constantly. And until we demand they’re treated fairly, and that the system changes, we can’t claim to be pro-all lives. Right now, that’s a fucking cop-out. Only some lives matter, by the looks of it.
by Centai Mal » Tue Jun 02, 2020 11:58 am
Diarcesia wrote:Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Honestly, if anyone advocates that all lives truly matter, they would understand why we’re focusing on black lives right now. They’re being victimized and killed by police too often. They face racism and discrimination constantly. And until we demand they’re treated fairly, and that the system changes, we can’t claim to be pro-all lives. Right now, that’s a fucking cop-out. Only some lives matter, by the looks of it.
The ideal solution should also benefit everyone, not just blacks, so I don't see an issue on the focus on black lives in that sense.
by Apostate » Tue Jun 02, 2020 12:36 pm
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by Skeckoa » Tue Jun 02, 2020 4:46 pm
by Skeckoa » Tue Jun 02, 2020 4:51 pm
I get that Black Americans do not have the monopoly on suffering in America, but let's be real, Black Americans take on more than the lion's share (alongside our Indigenous communities)Exxosia wrote:All lives matter says we should look outside racist parameters and try to find a solution.
Black lives matter says that black people are special in their victimhood and including others takes away from that. They would rather maintain their victimhood than have a solution to their problems because the only way to resolve it is to treat the entire thing rather than just their corner of it.
It's like if someone was being mauled by a bear, they have mild lacerations on most of their body but their leg is ripped to shreds. Black Lives Matter is saying we need to fixate on the leg, All Lives Matter is saying we need to do something about the bear. Black Lives Matter wants us to bandage the leg while the bear is still mauling away, when we really need to get the bear situation resolved and then give them first priority in the triage of care afterward.
by Satuga » Tue Jun 02, 2020 4:57 pm
Skeckoa wrote:For anyone who is actually, in good-faith, actually confused, here it goes.
We are not saying "[Only] Black Lives Matter", we are saying "Black Lives Matter[, too]"
by Farnhamia » Tue Jun 02, 2020 5:02 pm
Cyng wrote:BLM is a terrorist organization, and anyone using the term is a terrorist sympathizer.
by Satuga » Tue Jun 02, 2020 5:10 pm
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by Cyng » Tue Jun 02, 2020 5:27 pm
by Czechostan » Tue Jun 02, 2020 6:07 pm
Exxosia wrote:All lives matter says we should look outside racist parameters and try to find a solution.
Black lives matter says that black people are special in their victimhood and including others takes away from that. They would rather maintain their victimhood than have a solution to their problems because the only way to resolve it is to treat the entire thing rather than just their corner of it.
It's like if someone was being mauled by a bear, they have mild lacerations on most of their body but their leg is ripped to shreds. Black Lives Matter is saying we need to fixate on the leg, All Lives Matter is saying we need to do something about the bear. Black Lives Matter wants us to bandage the leg while the bear is still mauling away, when we really need to get the bear situation resolved and then give them first priority in the triage of care afterward.
by Necroghastia » Tue Jun 02, 2020 6:28 pm
Cyng wrote:Being against racist rioters should never be a controversial opinion. Hey, remember two weeks ago when anti-lockdown protesters were terrorists because they could possibly spread the virus? Such a fascinating time, seems everyone's just about forgotten about that.
by Diarcesia » Tue Jun 02, 2020 8:14 pm
Czechostan wrote:Exxosia wrote:All lives matter says we should look outside racist parameters and try to find a solution.
Black lives matter says that black people are special in their victimhood and including others takes away from that. They would rather maintain their victimhood than have a solution to their problems because the only way to resolve it is to treat the entire thing rather than just their corner of it.
It's like if someone was being mauled by a bear, they have mild lacerations on most of their body but their leg is ripped to shreds. Black Lives Matter is saying we need to fixate on the leg, All Lives Matter is saying we need to do something about the bear. Black Lives Matter wants us to bandage the leg while the bear is still mauling away, when we really need to get the bear situation resolved and then give them first priority in the triage of care afterward.
That's giving them more credit than they deserve. "All lives matter" is only the snarky response to someone saying "black lives matter." I don't see them doing anything other than grumbling that the center of attention is on someone else.
by Shazbotdom » Tue Jun 02, 2020 9:18 pm
Cyng wrote:Being against racist rioters should never be a controversial opinion. Hey, remember two weeks ago when anti-lockdown protesters were terrorists because they could possibly spread the virus? Such a fascinating time, seems everyone's just about forgotten about that.
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by The Grims » Tue Jun 02, 2020 9:22 pm
Shazbotdom wrote:Cyng wrote:Being against racist rioters should never be a controversial opinion. Hey, remember two weeks ago when anti-lockdown protesters were terrorists because they could possibly spread the virus? Such a fascinating time, seems everyone's just about forgotten about that.
Seeing as it's not BLM that is doing the rioting, but ANTIFA....your point is moot.
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