Ban urban vehicles

[Shanghai industrial complex]

We cannot let the Chinese further in further technology. They are too dangerous

The "we must stop China" spiel usually relies on the idea that the US is such an important market for the US, that Chinese industry will just collapse if Americans stop buying Made in China.

Sometimes it get a bit closer to reality, eg if America and all it's allies stop buying ...

But let's talk about what we're talking about. China is building several new designs of nuclear reactor. They're not just fooling around trying to make fusion work, because they know just from looking at the history of fusion that they'll need a lot of electricity before that happens. They're building sodium-cooled reactors for instance. Micro-reactors. Spent fuel reactors.

All of these are to provide power to the Chinese market, which is of course huge.

The US meanwhile is building 4 new reactors. They're all pressurized water reactors (tried and true! Good enough for your grandpa good enough for you!).

So what are you going to do to stop China getting further ahead? Just sit on your throne of being the world's largest nuclear generating nation ... until you're not any more? Refuse to buy Chinese and then threaten other nations who want to buy Chinese reactors instead of Westinghouse? You've got to come up with a smarter plan than sanctions, those are not going to work.

Errrr.....about half of the third generation of commercial nuclear power plant under construction in China is the American AP1000 and cap1000,cap1400 modified on this basis.CPR1000 is from France's M310. Acp1000, the only acp1000 completely developed by China, also uses the design concept of AP1000 for reference.They're also pressurized water reactors.

[Novus America]

Look I obviously do not like the PRC either but we have separate thread to argue that.

[Bombadil]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/EPCOT_(concept)

You need to URL that correctly.

[Novus America]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/EPCOT_(concept)

You need to URL that correctly.

Yeah the coding here sucks so that the ) throws it off. You can copy and past it though in the address bar.
And it is hard to do on my phone.
But the original plan for EPCOT at Disney World was almost exactly what he proposed.

[Australian rePublic]

Oh Nobel Hobos, why do you assume I am against public transport? I am very pro-public transport. It's just that people should have a choice


How's that different from our current system? I'm not saying we should get rid of public transport. Eff no. I love public transport, and we should definately be improving it, but we do need alternatives. In fact, I don't think our governments are doing enough to improve public transport. Sydney's rail network, should, at absolute least be doubled, for starters. Gladys was even looking into exempting people from parking fines because of Covid (or was that Jodi McKay?) Besides, the vast majority of people can afford cars


Public transport is not shit. Public transport is great. Congestion and parking prove that. I hardly ever drive to the city because of those reasons. (And, when we don't have Covid), I go to the city a lot. A lot.


I don't trust driverless cars. But, that's another discussion

I like public transport too. But it has known drawbacks, like being point to point when neither point is your house or where you're going, like having to share an enclosed space with strangers*, and actually being quite polluting at times of low capacity.

Driverless electric pods are public transport done right. Anyone can use it. It's cheap. It's as flexible as a car in start and destination (actually more flexible, you don't need to park), and you don't need to share an enclosed space with anyone. If what you like about public transport is the public ownership: we can do that too!

The pods would still cause pollution. Electricity doesn't come from nowhere and it doesn't come from fusion any time in the foreseeable future. But the more things we convert to electricity the more demand we create for low-emission electricity, I think we get emissions from energy down even if the short term consequence is just to replace oil by gas.

I'd have to do some sums to say if the driverless electric pod option uses more energy than public transport for all (which I know you didn't say). I think it probably does. But a fairer comparison is against what we've got: a whole lot of cars AND public transport. It would definitely be better.


*One-person pods would be great from a road congestion and pollution point of view. But I favor two-person pods, or four-person with a boot option instead of the back seats, because families like to travel together, and friends do too. Two or more seats would also allow an economy option: cheaper travel providing you don't mind getting in with a stranger.

And how does your stupid idea differ from self-driving cars. I friken hate everything about the concept of self-driving cars

[Slavakino]

I like public transport too. But it has known drawbacks, like being point to point when neither point is your house or where you're going, like having to share an enclosed space with strangers*, and actually being quite polluting at times of low capacity.

Driverless electric pods are public transport done right. Anyone can use it. It's cheap. It's as flexible as a car in start and destination (actually more flexible, you don't need to park), and you don't need to share an enclosed space with anyone. If what you like about public transport is the public ownership: we can do that too!

The pods would still cause pollution. Electricity doesn't come from nowhere and it doesn't come from fusion any time in the foreseeable future. But the more things we convert to electricity the more demand we create for low-emission electricity, I think we get emissions from energy down even if the short term consequence is just to replace oil by gas.

I'd have to do some sums to say if the driverless electric pod option uses more energy than public transport for all (which I know you didn't say). I think it probably does. But a fairer comparison is against what we've got: a whole lot of cars AND public transport. It would definitely be better.


*One-person pods would be great from a road congestion and pollution point of view. But I favor two-person pods, or four-person with a boot option instead of the back seats, because families like to travel together, and friends do too. Two or more seats would also allow an economy option: cheaper travel providing you don't mind getting in with a stranger.

And how does your stupid idea differ from self-driving cars. I friken hate everything about the concept of self-driving cars

Semi-Autonomous cars are fine to an extent but full driving cars are to not be trusted

[Bombadil]

And how does your stupid idea differ from self-driving cars. I friken hate everything about the concept of self-driving cars

Why? Sitting enjoying a coffee while catching up on the news or other on the way to work, a way that will have far fewer traffic jams in the peace and quiet of your little auto pod, or maybe some nice music if you prefer..

..seems far more pleasant than.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fk2YRpLnmdU

[Shanghai industrial complex]

I like public transport too. But it has known drawbacks, like being point to point when neither point is your house or where you're going, like having to share an enclosed space with strangers*, and actually being quite polluting at times of low capacity.

Driverless electric pods are public transport done right. Anyone can use it. It's cheap. It's as flexible as a car in start and destination (actually more flexible, you don't need to park), and you don't need to share an enclosed space with anyone. If what you like about public transport is the public ownership: we can do that too!

The pods would still cause pollution. Electricity doesn't come from nowhere and it doesn't come from fusion any time in the foreseeable future. But the more things we convert to electricity the more demand we create for low-emission electricity, I think we get emissions from energy down even if the short term consequence is just to replace oil by gas.

I'd have to do some sums to say if the driverless electric pod option uses more energy than public transport for all (which I know you didn't say). I think it probably does. But a fairer comparison is against what we've got: a whole lot of cars AND public transport. It would definitely be better.


*One-person pods would be great from a road congestion and pollution point of view. But I favor two-person pods, or four-person with a boot option instead of the back seats, because families like to travel together, and friends do too. Two or more seats would also allow an economy option: cheaper travel providing you don't mind getting in with a stranger.

And how does your stupid idea differ from self-driving cars. I friken hate everything about the concept of self-driving cars

self-driving cars is future.It doesn't need people, so it doesn't make mistakes

[Slavakino]

And how does your stupid idea differ from self-driving cars. I friken hate everything about the concept of self-driving cars

Why? Sitting enjoying a coffee while catching up on the news or other on the way to work, a way that will have far fewer traffic jams in the peace and quiet of your little auto pod, or maybe some nice music if you prefer..

..seems far more pleasant than.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fk2YRpLnmdU

Lazy and unexperienced population? Rather not. What's the point of owning a self-driving car besides "I'm too lazy to drive". Trains and Buses exist for a reason.

[Shanghai industrial complex]

Why? Sitting enjoying a coffee while catching up on the news or other on the way to work, a way that will have far fewer traffic jams in the peace and quiet of your little auto pod, or maybe some nice music if you prefer..

..seems far more pleasant than.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fk2YRpLnmdU

Lazy and unexperienced population? Rather not. What's the point of owning a self-driving car besides "I'm too lazy to drive". Trains and Buses exist for a reason.

It can drive itself.You don't need to be in the car.Is that a good reason?

[Slavakino]

You don't need to be in the car

What. Then what's the point if you don't need to be in a car if you own a self-driving car? Its stupid, not to mention all this crap needs computers to do quick calculations which you have no control over with a fully-autonomous car and if it fails? You're screwed, driver experience is better than relying it on a computer

[Bombadil]

You don't need to be in the car

What. Then what's the point if you don't need to be in a car if you own a self-driving car? Its stupid, not to mention all this crap needs computers to do quick calculations which you have no control over with a fully-autonomous car and if it fails? You're screwed, driver experience is better than relying it on a computer

No, it really isn't.

[Slavakino]

What. Then what's the point if you don't need to be in a car if you own a self-driving car? Its stupid, not to mention all this crap needs computers to do quick calculations which you have no control over with a fully-autonomous car and if it fails? You're screwed, driver experience is better than relying it on a computer

No, it really isn't.

The young who choose to drive must be experienced and taught in order to stop car crashes. Those who disobey the road laws have to have their license suspended or be re-educated. I'd rather not have a computer control my car and have no control and have the risk of electronic failure

[Shanghai industrial complex]

You don't need to be in the car

What. Then what's the point if you don't need to be in a car if you own a self-driving car? Its stupid, not to mention all this crap needs computers to do quick calculations which you have no control over with a fully-autonomous car and if it fails? You're screwed, driver experience is better than relying it on a computer

Haha just a joke.Most of the developed autopilot cars now have manual operation functions.You can change the mode.They're equipped with rangefinders, radars, and networks.It will know ahead of time the road conditions and perceive the distance and speed of the obstacles ahead. Even in heavy fog or rainstorm, the perception error is less than 1 cm.No matter who is in the car, it has more driving experience than decades of experience of human drive，Because machine learning technology.When you can't pick up your daughter because of your busy work, you can say"Lightning, get my sweetheart back".
When you drive by yourself, you can only rely on your eyes and hands.Your physical condition will affect your safety.

[Bombadil]

What. Then what's the point if you don't need to be in a car if you own a self-driving car? Its stupid, not to mention all this crap needs computers to do quick calculations which you have no control over with a fully-autonomous car and if it fails? You're screwed, driver experience is better than relying it on a computer

Haha just a joke.Most of the developed autopilot cars now have manual operation functions.You can change the mode.They're equipped with rangefinders, radars, and networks.It will know ahead of time the road conditions and perceive the distance and speed of the obstacles ahead. Even in heavy fog or rainstorm, the perception error is less than 1 cm.No matter who is in the car, it has more driving experience than decades of experience of human drive，Because machine learning technology.When you can't pick up your daughter because of your busy work, you can say"Lightning, get my sweetheart back".
When you drive by yourself, you can only rely on your eyes and hands.Your physical condition will affect your safety.

Not only that but studies tend to show experience only really increases driver confidence in their own abilities, not necessarily increased safe driving.

[Slavakino]

What. Then what's the point if you don't need to be in a car if you own a self-driving car? Its stupid, not to mention all this crap needs computers to do quick calculations which you have no control over with a fully-autonomous car and if it fails? You're screwed, driver experience is better than relying it on a computer

Haha just a joke.Most of the developed autopilot cars now have manual operation functions.You can change the mode.They're equipped with rangefinders, radars, and networks.It will know ahead of time the road conditions and perceive the distance and speed of the obstacles ahead. Even in heavy fog or rainstorm, the perception error is less than 1 cm.No matter who is in the car, it has more driving experience than decades of experience of human drive，Because machine learning technology.When you can't pick up your daughter because of your busy work, you can say"Lightning, get my sweetheart back".
When you drive by yourself, you can only rely on your eyes and hands.Your physical condition will affect your safety.

If you can switch manually then its not fully-autonomous. Although for the old technology may benefit but for the young whats the point? Experience needs to be earned

[Shanghai industrial complex]

Haha just a joke.Most of the developed autopilot cars now have manual operation functions.You can change the mode.They're equipped with rangefinders, radars, and networks.It will know ahead of time the road conditions and perceive the distance and speed of the obstacles ahead. Even in heavy fog or rainstorm, the perception error is less than 1 cm.No matter who is in the car, it has more driving experience than decades of experience of human drive，Because machine learning technology.When you can't pick up your daughter because of your busy work, you can say"Lightning, get my sweetheart back".
When you drive by yourself, you can only rely on your eyes and hands.Your physical condition will affect your safety.

If you can switch manually then its not fully-autonomous. Although for the old technology may benefit but for the young whats the point? Experience needs to be earned

The young can drive without hand.Later your granddaughter will wonder why you drive by hand.Manual mode is just a redundant backup.

[Slavakino]

If you can switch manually then its not fully-autonomous. Although for the old technology may benefit but for the young whats the point? Experience needs to be earned

The young can drive without hand.Later your granddaughter will wonder why you drive by hand.Manual mode is just a redundant backup.

I will not have my grandchildren or children be ignorant. I want them to have great knowledge and learn the hard way

[Shanghai industrial complex]

I think my car can refuel / recharge, repair and maintain itself when I don't have time in the furture.After sending me to the company, it can also carry out Uber business on the road to earn its own maintenance fees.After being stolen, it will go home by itself.That sounds cool.

[Thepeopl]

Will USA become as cyclists friendly as the Netherlands?

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/02/tech ... index.html

[SD_Film Artists]

And how does your stupid idea differ from self-driving cars. I friken hate everything about the concept of self-driving cars

Semi-Autonomous cars are fine to an extent but full driving cars are to not be trusted

That and it takes the freedom out of driving.

[Thepeopl]

Semi-Autonomous cars are fine to an extent but full driving cars are to not be trusted

That and it takes the freedom out of driving.

The freedom to drink and drive?
The freedom to kill other people?
The freedom to text/ phone while driving?
The freedom to speed and kill yourself?

Traffic in US killed 36,120 people in 2019

https://www.statista.com/statistics/485 ... y-country/

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... SKBN22H1OF

And non fatal accidents

https://www.nsc.org/road-safety/safety- ... -estimates

[The Strangers Club]

That and it takes the freedom out of driving.

The freedom to drink and drive?
The freedom to kill other people?
The freedom to text/ phone while driving?
The freedom to speed and kill yourself?

Traffic in US killed 36,120 people in 2019

https://www.statista.com/statistics/485 ... y-country/

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... SKBN22H1OF

And non fatal accidents

https://www.nsc.org/road-safety/safety- ... -estimates

My life, my choice.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

After being stolen, it will go home by itself

After dropping the thief off at the police station of course!

I wonder if car thieves will try threatening the car to get it to go where they want?
"Take me to Big Lou's Bar and Grill or I'm going to set you on fire!"

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Semi-Autonomous cars are fine to an extent but full driving cars are to not be trusted

That and it takes the freedom out of driving.

Um, you can only deviate a few degrees left or right, anything else risks an accident. You can go faster or slower, but you know how much fun driving slow is (not much), and if you're anything like me you are AT the speed limit whenever possible.

Other than small nuances of how you drive, the only freedom you have is to choose the route. Turn corners, basically. And you would have all that freedom if you were giving orders to a driverless car.