by Earth X Apps » Sun May 24, 2020 7:59 am
by Chrinthania » Sun May 24, 2020 8:13 am
by Oceanor » Sun May 24, 2020 10:03 am
by Chrinthania » Sun May 24, 2020 10:52 am
The United Conservative Provinces wrote:Chrinthania wrote:It's posts like this that concern me not in an in-character way, but an out of character way. This isn't Age of Empires or some game where the goal is to war with and conquer your neighbors. That's not the point of this at all. War is usually the last resort of most nations. Yeah, I know it doesn't seem like these days, but when you break it down, typically war isn't declared for light and transient reasons. Why would it be interesting to war against Chrinthania? Because we're big? Because we're liberal? Because we're a culture built on peace, love, and happiness? If those are your reasons, they're hardly reasons at all. If we've bombed your cities and towns, declared war on you, declared war on your ally... fine.
Who says who is being oppressed? Which nation has the right to decide whose citizens are being oppressed? Certainly not mine or yours or anyone else's. Even if the international community as an overall whole decides people are being oppressed, who is going to risk an all out war to deliver them from evil? There's literally 25 million starving North Korean who are brutally oppressed, but no one is going in to save them. Not because they couldn't, but because it would be an enormous loss of life on both sides and others involved.
People who think war is the best kind of RP always concern me. War is hard to RP properly. You have to write about troop movements. You can't declare war in the first post and in the second post have them invading a far-off land. You can launch an attack, but you have no right to decide what is and isn't destroyed in someone else's nation or how many were killed. You can't claim to have taken out their defenses at all because, guess what, that's not your claim and the other person has the right to decide what happens. You also don't have the right to decide you took no losses or a ridiculously low number of losses if you are attacked. Nor do you have the right to say your defenses eliminated the threat entirely. It's a very, very, very detail-oriented plot when you RP a war. If it's not done right, it goes from seemingly like good RP to godmodding in a heartbeat.
So, no, it wouldn't be interesting to war with anyone. Especially me.... because it will be slow and detailed and well written and that's the only way you can RP war.
That and, in spite of the large military and amount of WMDs, Chrinthania is more your force for peace. We're not interested in war except as the very last resort and will attempt to exhaust all other options first. Wielding power just because you can is not a sign of true strength. True strength is not unleashing the power unless there aren't any other options available.
My objective is not to be rude, but this is one of the major problems facing western civilization today. Many people have become emotional instead of logical thinkers, and it has effected how people take offense and get upset. I believe we have a misunderstanding, I was simply stating that it would be interesting because Chrinthania has a larger population, land claim, and military, and therefore it would not be logical for Liberterrra to war against it. There is nothing wrong with playful simulation, and my intention was not to make a jab at the liberal views of the Chrinthania. In fact, my personal belief is that all ideologies are requisite in order to maintain a free and all around progressing society. So please, don't assume the worst from me.
Next, I hope you did not infer that I am a complete advocate for war either. I still hold my view that war is sometimes necessary, but it should not be the first course of action taken by a country. By default a country should pursue diplomatic solutions, something I think we all understand. Necessary war can range far and wide, from revolutions to world wars and everywhere in between. Specific examples from United States history are the well known American Revolution and American Civil War where people were oppressed. I understand that these examples are from centuries ago, but that doesn't mean they are any less important. But if that does not convince you, what about the War on Terror and the Iraqi Civil War? Terror must be fought and freedom maintained. Citizens in Iraq were oppressed by a tyrannical government, and yes, one can say that because it is obvious. It is not hard to recognize when people are being oppressed, like the example you provided about the North Korean citizens. Unfortunately for them, they have no idea what liberty is, thus they do not know that they are being oppressed. I see where this can become confusing, and I'll break down my perception of it the best I can. Many people who are not truly oppressed occasionally claim they are, and it causes the meaning of the word to lose it's true flavor. Black people are not oppressed in America, and America is actually the best place for a black person to live. They even have over representation in congress and have the highest average income in the world for their race. People are truly oppressed when the government, often fascist, communist, or any other leadership that is corrupt do not allow citizens to make choices for themselves, or their lives and livelihoods are damaged by government actions. I can say who is oppressed because one can read about it in the news, watch it on television, or see it personally. The Chinese people are oppressed and though some won't believe it, during this pandemic even Americans have been oppressed (if you would like me to explain further I can, but I do not wish to make this response too long).
Finally, regarding a RP of my own that you may or may not have referred to (I believe you've seen it, but I'm not positive), I have no intentions of starting a war, merely a right wing activist in my own country desires to support those in another. Easily conceivable and logical, right? I do not desire to become involved in a childish quarrel, it was a joke from the beginning. Unfortunately it was taken seriously and now I am here having to explain the joke (and everyone knows that makes it far less funny). I respect Chrinthania, and I admire your ability to RP so tactically and with such influence. I hope we can maintain a fair relationship as I do not seek to make enemies. I will now leave this thread to applications.
by -Roma Invicta- » Sun May 24, 2020 11:00 am
by The United Conservative Provinces » Sun May 24, 2020 11:11 am
-Roma Invicta- wrote:I'll answer both queries in the same post as they're very heavily linked.
My intention for the Age of Discovery from a Roman persepctive is that Rome would have wanted to discover the western route to the East Indies, and then of course the New World, and as such there would have been expeditions by both Rome and individual influential families from all over the Republic.
As such, any there would have been expeditions from Italia, southern France, Hispania (Spain and Portugal), to wherever they need to have gone (not too fussed on the specifics at my end), obviously we can work out the history as and when required.
As for languages. Latin would be the official and largest language, spoken by all, but all RL languages will exist as 'dialects' or regional languages, etc.
by Oceanor » Sun May 24, 2020 11:14 am
-Roma Invicta- wrote:I'll answer both queries in the same post as they're very heavily linked.
My intention for the Age of Discovery from a Roman persepctive is that Rome would have wanted to discover the western route to the East Indies, and then of course the New World, and as such there would have been expeditions by both Rome and individual influential families from all over the Republic.
As such, any there would have been expeditions from Italia, southern France, Hispania (Spain and Portugal), to wherever they need to have gone (not too fussed on the specifics at my end), obviously we can work out the history as and when required.
As for languages. Latin would be the official and largest language, spoken by all, but all RL languages will exist as 'dialects' or regional languages, etc.
by Chrinthania » Sun May 24, 2020 11:15 am
The United Conservative Provinces wrote:-Roma Invicta- wrote:I'll answer both queries in the same post as they're very heavily linked.
My intention for the Age of Discovery from a Roman persepctive is that Rome would have wanted to discover the western route to the East Indies, and then of course the New World, and as such there would have been expeditions by both Rome and individual influential families from all over the Republic.
As such, any there would have been expeditions from Italia, southern France, Hispania (Spain and Portugal), to wherever they need to have gone (not too fussed on the specifics at my end), obviously we can work out the history as and when required.
As for languages. Latin would be the official and largest language, spoken by all, but all RL languages will exist as 'dialects' or regional languages, etc.
Good to know, I may have to adjust my history though. What do the nations on the American continent think about RPing a history of colonization by Rome to reduce confusion and create a history?
Oceanor wrote:-Roma Invicta- wrote:I'll answer both queries in the same post as they're very heavily linked.
My intention for the Age of Discovery from a Roman persepctive is that Rome would have wanted to discover the western route to the East Indies, and then of course the New World, and as such there would have been expeditions by both Rome and individual influential families from all over the Republic.
As such, any there would have been expeditions from Italia, southern France, Hispania (Spain and Portugal), to wherever they need to have gone (not too fussed on the specifics at my end), obviously we can work out the history as and when required.
As for languages. Latin would be the official and largest language, spoken by all, but all RL languages will exist as 'dialects' or regional languages, etc.
Thanks, that's great for my history. I can have an Italian, a French, and a Spanish faction in the Confederacy. Maybe also a Franco-German one depending on what they decide to do, and an English one depending on who claims that. I'll make sure that an Oceanorian dialect of Latin is the main language seeing the number of factors from Rome.
On a side note, seeing as this is an alternate Earth, will any of the African powers be Colonizers? Seeing as we have the flexibility to change history, maybe some of the more powerful African nations should make their own colonies. If that where the case then I would include factions from each African Colonizers. Anyways, It's just a thought.
by Kulandu » Sun May 24, 2020 11:28 am
Oceanor wrote:On a side note, seeing as this is an alternate Earth, will any of the African powers be Colonizers? Seeing as we have the flexibility to change history, maybe some of the more powerful African nations should make their own colonies. If that where the case then I would include factions from each African Colonizers. Anyways, It's just a thought.
by Oceanor » Sun May 24, 2020 11:56 am
by Chrinthania » Sun May 24, 2020 12:00 pm
Oceanor wrote:Hey everyone,
Does anyone have plans for a war or major world event in 1948? Just wondering because I'm planning on that being the founding year of my nation.
Also, (for Rome) is it ok if by that time your colonies in the region have been dropped off, or that Rome let's them join Oceanor. Same goes for other Caribbean and Central American Colonizers.
by -Roma Invicta- » Sun May 24, 2020 3:30 pm
by Oceanor » Sun May 24, 2020 5:10 pm
by Big Carencia » Mon May 25, 2020 7:41 am
by Earth X Apps » Mon May 25, 2020 7:52 am
Big Carencia wrote:What I wanted to say in the other thread
1 I can change the gdp a bit to make it higher (enough not to starve). I did the sum of the countries that really make up my kingdom (that's why it came out so low)
2 I will reduce the active military rate, I will leave it at 50% and the rest in reserve
3 If you've read my RP sample, you'll see that piracy will now only take place with state-declared enemies. With any country that does not want to eliminate us, we will not take piracy measures. (In case of attempted conquest, we will go throughout the game expanding both maritime and aviation forces, to avoid that they can easily destroy us)
(again thanks for the patience)
by Big Carencia » Mon May 25, 2020 8:16 am
Earth X Apps wrote:Big Carencia wrote:What I wanted to say in the other thread
1 I can change the gdp a bit to make it higher (enough not to starve). I did the sum of the countries that really make up my kingdom (that's why it came out so low)
2 I will reduce the active military rate, I will leave it at 50% and the rest in reserve
3 If you've read my RP sample, you'll see that piracy will now only take place with state-declared enemies. With any country that does not want to eliminate us, we will not take piracy measures. (In case of attempted conquest, we will go throughout the game expanding both maritime and aviation forces, to avoid that they can easily destroy us)
(again thanks for the patience)
You can talk about your application in the applications thread. That's fine. Just... blue background on black text makes words hard to see, my friend. Also, we've replied to you on the app thread.
by Grand Indochina » Mon May 25, 2020 4:15 pm
by -Roma Invicta- » Mon May 25, 2020 5:24 pm
Grand Indochina wrote:-Roma Invicta- What is your nation's historical relationship with Asia ? In our world, Asia was influenced by many foreign empires from Europe during the 16th and 18th, colonialism and such... does the same thing happens to this world ?
by Earth X Apps » Mon May 25, 2020 5:31 pm
Oceanor wrote:Hey everyone!
I've just finished making a little project that I think would enhance Earth X. It's called the Earth X Timeline, and it's basically a collaborative Google Document that will contain a timeline of canon Earth X history. I go into more depth in the intro to the document, so please check it out.
To the Founders: if you would like for me not to do this, just tell me. It won't matter to me either way, I just thought it was a cool idea.
Anyways, the link is here, and anyone can go and check it out. Maybe you'll even add an event! Just remember that you can only add things that you know for a FACT are canon, so be sure to keep that in mind.
I present to you the Earth X Timeline
by Chrinthania » Mon May 25, 2020 5:32 pm
-Roma Invicta- wrote:Grand Indochina wrote:-Roma Invicta- What is your nation's historical relationship with Asia ? In our world, Asia was influenced by many foreign empires from Europe during the 16th and 18th, colonialism and such... does the same thing happens to this world ?
Yes. As with the New World, it stands to reason that a surviving Rome would be at the forefront of exploration and colonialism. Indeed, given that historically the Romans were aware of the existance of Asia and the Far East, this only increases the likliehood that Rome would have explored that way and settled colonies there, as Rome was want to do in most places.
You can safely assume that any explorrers, expeditions, etc, that originated in OTL from somewhere under Rome's control would have happened, although they would likely have been sanctioned direcltly by Rome.
If you need to discuss specifics, we definately can!
by Big Carencia » Sun May 31, 2020 10:06 am
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