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discoursedrome wrote:everyone knows that quote, "I know not what weapons World War Three will be fought, but World War Four will be fought with sticks and stones," but in a way it's optimistic and inspiring because it suggests that even after destroying civilization and returning to the stone age we'll still be sufficiently globalized and bellicose to have another world war right then and there
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by Last Breath » Sat May 23, 2020 2:19 pm
Velosia wrote:I personally feel the ultimate 'goal' of humanity will likely be to achieve, as you put it, an absolute state of pleasure.
I've often felt that such a goal may provide the answer to the Fermi Paradox. Imagine if we were to upload our minds into a digital space, creating our own personal paradises in which we can spend an eternity (i.e simulated reality), it would make the real world look unimaginably dull and uninteresting in comparison.
Perhaps we see no evidence of aliens since, once they've found a way to achieve this goal, they have no desire to expand outwards into the empty expanse of space beyond acquiring resources to expand or power their hardware that hosts an entire civilisation of countless digitised consciousnesses?
by Kasa Tkoth Sphere » Sat May 23, 2020 2:23 pm
Velosia wrote:I personally feel the ultimate 'goal' of humanity will likely be to achieve, as you put it, an absolute state of pleasure.
I've often felt that such a goal may provide the answer to the Fermi Paradox. Imagine if we were to upload our minds into a digital space, creating our own personal paradises in which we can spend an eternity (i.e simulated reality), it would make the real world look unimaginably dull and uninteresting in comparison.
Perhaps we see no evidence of aliens since, once they've found a way to achieve this goal, they have no desire to expand outwards into the empty expanse of space beyond acquiring resources to expand or power their hardware that hosts an entire civilisation of countless digitised consciousnesses?
Last Breath wrote:I dunno, pleasure for its own sake seems a rather empty goal, especially if we have to reject reality in order to achieve it.
by The Huskar Social Union » Sat May 23, 2020 2:26 pm
by Last Breath » Sat May 23, 2020 2:27 pm
Kasa Tkoth Sphere wrote:Last Breath wrote:I dunno, pleasure for its own sake seems a rather empty goal, especially if we have to reject reality in order to achieve it.
So we build Dyson swarms around every star in the Milky Way and stock up for the future. What would you rather we spend the energy on?
by Kasa Tkoth Sphere » Sat May 23, 2020 2:29 pm
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by TURTLESHROOM II » Sat May 23, 2020 2:31 pm
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by Last Breath » Sat May 23, 2020 2:35 pm
Kasa Tkoth Sphere wrote:Last Breath wrote:
I'm not saying achieving pleasure is a bad thing, just that its better to live in reality than in a simulated world.
Okay, I can work with that statement. Here's another question, then: how many times better?
That's a serious question.
Divide Earth's average net energy production by the population, and you get a few kilowatts per person (that is, kilojoules per person-second). Simulating peoples' brains could make them just as happy for far less than the real-world resources we need now, and we'd be able to do it for a lot more people than otherwise, no? How much of an efficiency multiplier would you need to break even?
by Last Breath » Sat May 23, 2020 2:37 pm
TURTLESHROOM II wrote:To find Christ, serve Christ, and ultimately reign with Him in Heaven.
On a secular basis? To end hunger, the absence of potable water, and the absence of shelter. To spread to the farthest corners of the galaxy and enslave non-human aliens for our service, fields, and menial chores. We should approach colonizing space as the galaxy's future master. Aliens exist to serve us for the same reason livestock do.
by Kasa Tkoth Sphere » Sat May 23, 2020 2:40 pm
Last Breath wrote:Kasa Tkoth Sphere wrote:Okay, I can work with that statement. Here's another question, then: how many times better?
That's a serious question.
Divide Earth's average net energy production by the population, and you get a few kilowatts per person (that is, kilojoules per person-second). Simulating peoples' brains could make them just as happy for far less than the real-world resources we need now, and we'd be able to do it for a lot more people than otherwise, no? How much of an efficiency multiplier would you need to break even?
I'm not sure it would ever be preferable, living a false life would be inherently inferior to living an actual one
by Last Breath » Sat May 23, 2020 2:51 pm
Kasa Tkoth Sphere wrote:Last Breath wrote:
I'm not sure it would ever be preferable, living a false life would be inherently inferior to living an actual one
I'm not asking for a comparison, I'm asking for a multiplication. I could fully agree with you that one good experience in our world is worth more than an identical experience in a virtual world, but that's not the question. How inferior is it?
Suppose you say that you'd need ten satisfied emulated people to equal the ethical weight of one equally satisfied meat-person. Then, given we use all available energy (say, in the Milky Way) on helping people (what's the alternative, intentionally not doing that?), if you can run an emulated person for one-twentieth the cost of providing all the luxuries a meat person needs, it's preferable to do that. If meat people have infinitely more value than emulated people, then are you saying it'd be worth killing billions or trillions of them for the sake of one meat person?
This is the sort of thing that we have to stake possibly decillions of lives around; this is not meant to be easily answered.
by Senkaku » Sat May 23, 2020 2:54 pm
Last Breath wrote:Kasa Tkoth Sphere wrote:I'm not asking for a comparison, I'm asking for a multiplication. I could fully agree with you that one good experience in our world is worth more than an identical experience in a virtual world, but that's not the question. How inferior is it?
Suppose you say that you'd need ten satisfied emulated people to equal the ethical weight of one equally satisfied meat-person. Then, given we use all available energy (say, in the Milky Way) on helping people (what's the alternative, intentionally not doing that?), if you can run an emulated person for one-twentieth the cost of providing all the luxuries a meat person needs, it's preferable to do that. If meat people have infinitely more value than emulated people, then are you saying it'd be worth killing billions or trillions of them for the sake of one meat person?
This is the sort of thing that we have to stake possibly decillions of lives around; this is not meant to be easily answered.
I reiterate my claim, life in a virtual paradise that was nonetheless unreal would be comparable to life in the real world by any sort of factor, it would not be justified by any gain in efficiency. If the simulated minds were engaged in activity other than simply enjoying their hedonistic utopia then they would have just as much worth as a meat person, but given the description of the simulation that we are arguing over, this does not seem to be the case.
by Kasa Tkoth Sphere » Sat May 23, 2020 2:55 pm
Last Breath wrote:Kasa Tkoth Sphere wrote:I'm not asking for a comparison, I'm asking for a multiplication. I could fully agree with you that one good experience in our world is worth more than an identical experience in a virtual world, but that's not the question. How inferior is it?
Suppose you say that you'd need ten satisfied emulated people to equal the ethical weight of one equally satisfied meat-person. Then, given we use all available energy (say, in the Milky Way) on helping people (what's the alternative, intentionally not doing that?), if you can run an emulated person for one-twentieth the cost of providing all the luxuries a meat person needs, it's preferable to do that. If meat people have infinitely more value than emulated people, then are you saying it'd be worth killing billions or trillions of them for the sake of one meat person?
This is the sort of thing that we have to stake possibly decillions of lives around; this is not meant to be easily answered.
I reiterate my claim, life in a virtual paradise that was nonetheless unreal would be comparable to life in the real world by any sort of factor, it would not be justified by any gain in efficiency. If the simulated minds were engaged in activity other than simply enjoying their hedonistic utopia then they would have just as much worth as a meat person, but given the description of the simulation that we are arguing over, this does not seem to be the case.
by Velosia » Sat May 23, 2020 3:01 pm
TURTLESHROOM II wrote:We should approach colonizing space as the galaxy's future master. Aliens exist to serve us for the same reason livestock do.
by The Huskar Social Union » Sat May 23, 2020 3:08 pm
Last Breath wrote:TURTLESHROOM II wrote:To find Christ, serve Christ, and ultimately reign with Him in Heaven.
On a secular basis? To end hunger, the absence of potable water, and the absence of shelter. To spread to the farthest corners of the galaxy and enslave non-human aliens for our service, fields, and menial chores. We should approach colonizing space as the galaxy's future master. Aliens exist to serve us for the same reason livestock do.
If aliens existed and were sapient, forcing them into bondage would be comparable to any other form of slavery.
by Senkaku » Sat May 23, 2020 3:10 pm
Last Breath wrote:TURTLESHROOM II wrote:To find Christ, serve Christ, and ultimately reign with Him in Heaven.
On a secular basis? To end hunger, the absence of potable water, and the absence of shelter. To spread to the farthest corners of the galaxy and enslave non-human aliens for our service, fields, and menial chores. We should approach colonizing space as the galaxy's future master. Aliens exist to serve us for the same reason livestock do.
If aliens existed and were sapient, forcing them into bondage would be comparable to any other form of slavery.
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