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[DEFEATED] Recreational Drugs Compact

Postby Tinhampton » Wed May 20, 2020 5:36 am

This resolution was at vote between the 19th and 23rd of September, 2021.
It was defeated by a margin of 13,004 votes (about 87%) to 1,936 (about 13%).

This proposal has been submitted to the General Assembly Social Justice Board.
NOTE: at 1809 BST on the 15th of September 2021, this proposal reached quorum with South Boston Irishmen's approval, the 54th all told.

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Recreational Drugs Compact
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The General Assembly hereby:
  1. reserves to its member states whether to legalise, decriminalise, or forbid the possession, distribution, growing, use, sale and purchase of drugs for recreational purposes within their jurisdiction,
  2. suggests that members treat paraphernalia used with a certain recreational drug as having the same legal status as that drug, and
  3. urges members to fund or provide addiction recovery services for intensive drug users who sincerely desire them, without fear of punishment for using such services.
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Postby Astrobolt » Wed May 20, 2020 6:14 am

Tinhampton wrote:Recognising that prior attempts to decriminalise all recreational drugs have failed at vote, the General Assembly hereby:
  1. reserves to its member states the matter of whether to legalise, decriminalise, or forbid the possession, distribution, growing, use, sale and purchase of drugs for recreational purposes within their jurisdiction, and
  2. urges members to treat paraphernalia used with a certain recreational drug as having the same legal status as that drug.


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Postby Kenmoria » Wed May 20, 2020 7:52 am

“I don’t think there is a need for a blocker on this issue. Decriminalisation is a goal that should be pursued by the GA.”
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Postby PotatoFarmers » Wed May 20, 2020 7:56 am

"While we do not agree with a decriminalisation of drugs, we feel that a blocker is unnecessary."
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Postby Morover » Wed May 20, 2020 9:27 am

urges members to treat paraphernalia used with a certain recreational drug as having the same legal status as that drug.

"What? Why?"

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Postby Tinhampton » Wed May 20, 2020 9:42 am

Morover wrote:
urges members to treat paraphernalia used with a certain recreational drug as having the same legal status as that drug.

"What? Why?"

Venkman: Ambassador... Somedoddle*, I'm trying to encourage nations to avoid a scenario where - for instance - marijuana is legal but marijuana-related paraphernalia is not, or vice versa. Such a clause is included to prevent this proposal from being deemed to be an illegal Pure Blocker.

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Postby The Palentine » Fri May 22, 2020 12:27 am

I like it. You have my support.

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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Fri May 22, 2020 1:29 am

No support; a blocker of this sort has the exact same effect as passing no legislation of any kind. Member nations already have the ability to determine the legality of recreational drugs.

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Postby Agarntrop 2 » Fri May 22, 2020 4:16 am

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Postby Sierra Lyricalia » Fri May 22, 2020 5:42 am

OOC: I note that paragraph (a) has no effect within the category (being a blocker); and paragraph (b) has a mild effect that more nations will now treat possession of (say) a glass pipe as being just as bad as actually possessing some illegal drug.

As written, I don't think this can be legally submitted under Civil Rights.

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Postby Araraukar » Fri May 22, 2020 8:10 am

IC: "Insofar as the WA should be legislating anything on recreational drug use, leaving it at the hands of the nations themselves is the best choice of action. Support."

OOC: As per category problems, you could add clauses that require/encourage member states to provide help with getting rid of a drug habit to people who willingly ask for such treatment, rather than punish them for being addicts in the first place - this could be written as Social Justice: Mild fairly easily.
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Postby WayNeacTia » Sat May 23, 2020 2:10 am

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Postby Tinhampton » Thu Sep 02, 2021 6:43 am

Araraukar wrote:OOC: As per category problems, you could add clauses that require/encourage member states to provide help with getting rid of a drug habit to people who willingly ask for such treatment, rather than punish them for being addicts in the first place - this could be written as Social Justice: Mild fairly easily.

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Postby Bananaistan » Thu Sep 02, 2021 6:56 am

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Postby Tinhampton » Mon Sep 06, 2021 10:04 am

Anderson: Ta very much. Any more thoughts?
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Postby Tinhampton » Mon Sep 13, 2021 12:18 pm

Anderson: No? Jolly good, then.
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Postby Minskiev » Mon Sep 13, 2021 1:40 pm

What the hell is this

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Postby Desmosthenes and Burke » Mon Sep 13, 2021 5:59 pm

We find this preferable to the competing draft on the topic. How the bar came to be that low we dare not speculate for fear of offending almighty Jove.
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Postby Goobergunchia » Wed Sep 15, 2021 11:08 am

This quorate proposal does absolutely nothing except force two votes to be held on any future resolution regarding recreational drugs, or require said resolution to find that the use of a given drug is not recreational. (It occurs to us that such a finding could be made for criminalization but would be extremely difficult to make for legalization.) There is no benefit in throwing up additional procedural obstacles to General Assembly authors.

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Postby Abacathea » Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:18 pm

suggests that members treat paraphernalia used with a certain recreational drug as having the same legal status as that drug, and


As long as that clause exists or any similar clause exists, I will campaign actively against this proposal. A burnt bit of tinfoil, an empty baggie or as has been previously stated a glass pipe should never unaccompanied be put on the same footing as any significant classification of drugs, controlled or otherwise. Open to abuse, even if it is just a "suggestion".
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Thu Sep 16, 2021 5:10 am

Abacathea wrote:
suggests that members treat paraphernalia used with a certain recreational drug as having the same legal status as that drug, and


As long as that clause exists or any similar clause exists, I will campaign actively against this proposal. A burnt bit of tinfoil, an empty baggie or as has been previously stated a glass pipe should never unaccompanied be put on the same footing as any significant classification of drugs, controlled or otherwise. Open to abuse, even if it is just a "suggestion".

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Postby Separatist Peoples » Thu Sep 16, 2021 6:08 am

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Abacathea wrote:
As long as that clause exists or any similar clause exists, I will campaign actively against this proposal. A burnt bit of tinfoil, an empty baggie or as has been previously stated a glass pipe should never unaccompanied be put on the same footing as any significant classification of drugs, controlled or otherwise. Open to abuse, even if it is just a "suggestion".

Well put.

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Postby Brezzia » Thu Sep 16, 2021 6:57 am

Tinhampton wrote:suggests that members treat paraphernalia used with a certain recreational drug as having the same legal status as that drug,

Tinhampton wrote:Somedoddle*, I'm trying to encourage nations to avoid a scenario where - for instance - marijuana is legal but marijuana-related paraphernalia is not, or vice versa. Such a clause is included to prevent this proposal from being deemed to be an illegal Pure Blocker.

So, should owning a lighter be equated with owning marijuana or crack? Should a pharmacy apply for a license to sell heroin if a customer asks for syringes? Because this is what this proposal "suggests".
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Sat Sep 18, 2021 7:54 pm

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The Europeian Ministry of World Assembly Affairs recommends a vote AGAINST the General Assembly Resolution, "Recreational Drugs Compact".
Its reasoning may be found here.

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Postby Tinhampton » Sat Sep 18, 2021 8:45 pm

Greater Cesnica wrote:
The Europeian Ministry of World Assembly Affairs recommends a vote AGAINST the General Assembly Resolution, "Recreational Drugs Compact".
Its reasoning may be found here.

Firstly:
This proposal is a blocker; or a resolution that effectively prevents the World Assembly from legislating on a topic. Blockers only contribute to National Sovereignty, which is what one gives up when joining the World Assembly, and prevent progress by stopping the Assembly from being able to legislate.
Keshiland was the author of the last repeal of GA#2 to reach vote in June 2017. His proposed replacement would at least have given member states authority over "Property laws and Emergency services" - not nothing - and even then, I believe it was lambasted for giving his proposed WA replacement too much power. Blockers, although less commonplace today, are still appropriate for certain highly divisive (or internationally irrelevant) issues. If "progress" is that important a consideration for the government of Sincluda or any member state, they can decriminalise or legalise drugs themselves... or write a resolution requiring all stop signs in the WA to be octogonal.


Secondly:
In addition, it is plausible that this blocker was created in response to a proposal in drafting that the author disagrees with regarding the decriminalization of drugs as an attempt to stop it.
Outlaw Pedophilia - Goobergunchia's iconic Historical Resolution - was submitted on similar grounds. Was his resolution submitted on a pretext any worse (or better) than mine was? :P
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