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by Slavakino » Tue May 19, 2020 6:39 pm
by Novus America » Tue May 19, 2020 6:43 pm
by Novus America » Tue May 19, 2020 6:46 pm
Albrenia wrote:Swapping out the US for China as world hegemon sounds like swapping a poor leader for a monstrous one.
by Dahyan » Tue May 19, 2020 9:16 pm
by Dahyan » Tue May 19, 2020 9:19 pm
Novus America wrote:Dahyan wrote:Well, they are the result of a massive genocide, so yeah.
Nap covered it better, but the reservation system was actually a system to reduced the amount of killing and warfare, within the unfortunate and wrong assumption that both could not coexist.
So it is much more complicated than that.
Also “a” massive genocide indicates a common plan and single event, when the genocidal actions against Native Americans was much more complex than that, involving multiple governments over a long time period, using often inconsistent policies and localized actions not necessarily always ordered by a central government.
The Native American genocide thesis is something akin to saying the Spanish Inquisition and Holocaust were part of the same genocide.
by Dahyan » Tue May 19, 2020 9:40 pm
Cetacea wrote:No but the should be fully incorporated enfranchised States within the federation
by Novus America » Tue May 19, 2020 9:43 pm
Cetacea wrote:No but the should be fully incorporated enfranchised States within the federation
by Nobel Hobos 2 » Tue May 19, 2020 9:45 pm
Cetacea wrote:No but the should be fully incorporated enfranchised States within the federation
by Dahyan » Tue May 19, 2020 9:49 pm
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Add 1200 years.
by Cetacea » Wed May 20, 2020 3:38 am
by Rojava Free State » Wed May 20, 2020 4:34 am
Cetacea wrote:Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
How many States? About a million live on reservations, you could maybe make 2 states.
(Non-contiguous, not saying it wouldn't work)
There are 12 reservations larger than the state of Rhode Island
Of the others most are west of the Mississippi so have some degree of proximity. One might put a size/population limit on qualification for being a State and then allow those who dont make threshold to incorporate as counties, continue as reservations or even seek confederation with neigbours based on larger ‘culture areas’.
There are options
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by Alistan Democratic Nation » Wed May 20, 2020 4:41 am
by Novus America » Wed May 20, 2020 5:31 am
Cetacea wrote:Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
How many States? About a million live on reservations, you could maybe make 2 states.
(Non-contiguous, not saying it wouldn't work)
There are 12 reservations larger than the state of Rhode Island
Of the others most are west of the Mississippi so have some degree of proximity. One might put a size/population limit on qualification for being a State and then allow those who dont make threshold to incorporate as counties, continue as reservations or even seek confederation with neigbours based on larger ‘culture areas’.
There are options
by Novus America » Wed May 20, 2020 5:34 am
Alistan Democratic Nation wrote:Non American here. I personally think that the reservations be slowly done away with by giving support to people wanting to move out of the reservations while instituting cultural programs to preserve the cultures.
by Slavakino » Wed May 20, 2020 4:20 pm
by US-SSR » Wed May 20, 2020 7:52 pm
Dahyan wrote:Novus America wrote:
Nap covered it better, but the reservation system was actually a system to reduced the amount of killing and warfare, within the unfortunate and wrong assumption that both could not coexist.
So it is much more complicated than that.
Also “a” massive genocide indicates a common plan and single event, when the genocidal actions against Native Americans was much more complex than that, involving multiple governments over a long time period, using often inconsistent policies and localized actions not necessarily always ordered by a central government.
The Native American genocide thesis is something akin to saying the Spanish Inquisition and Holocaust were part of the same genocide.
It's part of a long-lasting policy of dehumanisation and gradual planned land theft. It may not have been all planned jn one massive scheme, but the underlying idea was similar throughout all those centuries, and even continuing now to a certain extent.
by Dahyan » Wed May 20, 2020 8:21 pm
US-SSR wrote:Dahyan wrote:
It's part of a long-lasting policy of dehumanisation and gradual planned land theft. It may not have been all planned jn one massive scheme, but the underlying idea was similar throughout all those centuries, and even continuing now to a certain extent.
You want an eye opener, read some of the Bureau of Indian Affairs reports to Congress from the 1850s and 1860s. Extermination, i.e. genocide, was seriously put forward as a solution to the "Indian problem," the main objections being that with all the costly military forces then arrayed against the natives the extermination was hardly proceeding as planned (q.v. Little Big Horn) and that a successful extermination of every native, man, woman and child, might leave the US looking somewhat brutish in the eyes of the rest of the world. As we know the alternative solution was the reservation/boarding school system that tried to "kill the Indian and make him into a white man," with the eqally well-known results.
by Nap the Magnificent » Thu May 21, 2020 5:34 pm
Yes, that was the Sheridan plan and one that was thankfully abandoned over the course of the 1870's in favor of the Peace Policy, though it took far too long to fully implement. Philip Sheridan ushered in one of the most brutal and disgusting periods of American-Indian relations. He kept trying to get the entirety of the Bureau of Indian Affairs staffed with only US Army commanders to try and carry out his plans. "Let them kill, skin and sell until the buffalo is exterminated." - Philip Sheridan. He is also most likely responsible for the quote of "The only good Indian is a dead one". The Marias Massacre caused a lot of widespread outrage as the Piegan Blackfoot that had been attacked had generally a) been on decent terms with American settlers b) had been promised protection by the US government c) were not even the band that the US Army was chasing (albeit belonged to the same tribal confederacy). This pushed Grant to slowly kick out US Army officers from the BIA and keep it out of the War Department altogether. He began to staff it with Quakers, Methodists, etc similar type congregations who were thought to be better suited as Indian agents.US-SSR wrote:Dahyan wrote:
It's part of a long-lasting policy of dehumanisation and gradual planned land theft. It may not have been all planned jn one massive scheme, but the underlying idea was similar throughout all those centuries, and even continuing now to a certain extent.
You want an eye opener, read some of the Bureau of Indian Affairs reports to Congress from the 1850s and 1860s. Extermination, i.e. genocide, was seriously put forward as a solution to the "Indian problem," the main objections being that with all the costly military forces then arrayed against the natives the extermination was hardly proceeding as planned (q.v. Little Big Horn) and that a successful extermination of every native, man, woman and child, might leave the US looking somewhat brutish in the eyes of the rest of the world. As we know the alternative solution was the reservation/boarding school system that tried to "kill the Indian and make him into a white man," with the eqally well-known results.
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