RWDT XX: The System Is Kapp Putsch

[Cekoviu]

So, presumably, I'd provide services as a surgeon or physician to low-income patients for two years to meet my obligations to society due to my unique skill set and wouldn't have to render service as a caretaker to children simply because I'm female?

It is highly necessary to have she-physicians working as obgyns and a few other specialties, as it is best to have a woman dealing with such issues for the sake of propriety and patient comfort.

"she-physicians"
we aren't speaking ket (as much as i'd like for it to be so) so we don't prepend gender specifiers to occupations. upgrade your english grammar from version 1844/09, thanks

[Cekoviu]

no

This isn't particularly convincing.

nor was the original point ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Novus America]

I agree, any reasonable national service system should have the flexibility to place people were they are best fit, not necessarily in military roles, although many people fail to understand the military is much more than just shooting a gone, and most people in the military never fire or carry a gun in their ordinary duties. The military has doctors, lawyers, IT personnel etc.

Although it is true not everyone is suitable for military service and an alternative should be available for those who are not.

I fail to see why it has to be explicitly gender based, simply providing a system that takes people’s preferences, skills, and who is a the primary carry taker of children and pregnancy into account will naturally do it.

Because gender roles are a good thing.

And again they would still be supported by my system. Because people would be assigned based on a combination of need, skills, capability and preference, as well as pregnancy and being the primary caretaker of a child would all be taken into account, more females would end up doing it thorough raising children over working in a steel mill.

But it should be noted although more women tend to gravitate towards certain jobs, there might be a woman who wants to be fighter pilot and can do it well, and a man who cannot do it and does not want to be it, so why then would we choose the man for that role in that case?

Gender roles apply in the aggregate on average but not always at the individual level.

[Diopolis]

It is highly necessary to have she-physicians working as obgyns and a few other specialties, as it is best to have a woman dealing with such issues for the sake of propriety and patient comfort.

"she-physicians"
we aren't speaking ket (as much as i'd like for it to be so) so we don't prepend gender specifiers to occupations. upgrade your english grammar from version 1844/09, thanks

Prithee, I fear not. Such diction brings an essential gaiety and colour to forum intercourse.

[Exalted Inquellian State]

TBH, I thought that the other threads closed cause someone posted a factbook or invited people to a roleplay.

[Cekoviu]

"she-physicians"
we aren't speaking ket (as much as i'd like for it to be so) so we don't prepend gender specifiers to occupations. upgrade your english grammar from version 1844/09, thanks

Prithee, I fear not. Such diction brings an essential gaiety and colour to forum intercourse.

Now, just to make sure I'm parsing you right, what you're saying is that your manner of speaking encourages gay sex on this forum? I wouldn't have taken you to be such a progressive, but hey, I'm not complaining!

[Fahran]

Google St. Brice's Day.

A decision made by Æthelred the Unready, a king routinely rated alongside John as one of the worst in English history, which arguably brought about an invasion by Sweyn Forkbeard doesn't really refute anything I said.

[Fahran]

TBH, I thought that the other threads closed cause someone posted a factbook or invited people to a roleplay.

Nope. Threads can't exceed 500 pages.

[Novus America]

And your Manichean worldview is reductionist and wrong. And again the past you pine for is dead and gone. The Normans and Anglo Saxons of a millennium ago a long dead and gone.

The influences of Norman culture English working classes includes everything from language to diet. But of course contemporary English working classes culture is built on a wide variety of influences, and pre Norman Anglo Saxon culture is only a very small part of that influence.

Reductionism isn't always bad, and I would appreciate it if you could explain how it is wrong. Of course the past is the past, but the future is the future. Also "diet" yeah because we're all eating that asparagus-flavour ice cream with artichoke blancmange after some haute cuisine. This remains bullshit and there must be no compromise with Jamie Oliver. Give me Rustlers or give me death!

now i think i will have a full English breakfast thank you.

Reductionism is sometimes valuable for certain things, but it by its very nature oversimplifies and over looks a lot. Notice how I did not merely say reductionist but absurdly reductionist.

I did explain how it was wrong. Just because Normans disproportionately became the elite just after the invasion does not mean they are the elite today, or their cultural influences are the primary cultural influences of the elite today, and not present elsewhere.

Chicken nuggets are from 1950s US BTW.
And the contemporary Full English breakfast has many post Norman and other influences.
Not that everyone eats that all the time.

Using Upper Class as synonymous with Norman is silly, because the contemporary upper class has abandoned or changed most Norman things, and Norman influences have spread to all levels of society.

[Questarian New Yorkshire]

btw we can simultaneously encourage business by lowering corporate tax, and with coops and codeterminism recover the cost by the income tax collectoon as income tax is impossible to dodge here and raises MUCH more than corporation tax

Or you could encourage investment by massively raising corporate tax rates, and providing tax relief based on the amount that corporations invest into the economy.

causes malinvestment

better to just eliminate a form of taxation rather than tie to incentives, because minimises law of unintended consequences

[Questarian New Yorkshire]

This would not only fund new housing, it also discourages buying up and underutilized property and leaving it underutilized.

I agree that a tax is a more "sane" way to do it

but I was proposing we seize a large sum of money more or less at once (the money will come in slowly but it the immediate costs can be covered by bonds) without impacting the future potential for buying a 2nd house, but yes we could tax them instead. I havent seen any studies about how we could raise more money from property tax (uk already has quite high property tax), but I might look later

[Questarian New Yorkshire]

u dont have to read it, it was more done for my entertainment (and because eventually i do have to post my real views on nsg)

good question

the problem is pensions. theyre a huge part of our govt spending, 2nd overall, so if we privatise over time we load the cost off. The other scheme exists to boost tfr so that it starts to become affordable

my next post will be about welfare specifically

Questers, I read your policy posts and enjoy them and will use them as the basis for my policy when I am prime minister in 25 years.

econ policy of independent northumbria should be mostly based on praying

[Questarian New Yorkshire]

cost of creating a space based reconnaissance & submarine semi-ballistic complex with a constellation of imint/sigint satellites guiding subsurface launched low-profile lo-lo cruise missiles around real time elint data collected on the opposing IADS: costly for anyone but USA

destroying the vatican: priceless

[Diopolis]

Questers, I read your policy posts and enjoy them and will use them as the basis for my policy when I am prime minister in 25 years.

econ policy of independent northumbria should be mostly based on praying

Why are you trying to get me to agree with Munkcestrian?

[Novus America]

This would not only fund new housing, it also discourages buying up and underutilized property and leaving it underutilized.

I agree that a tax is a more "sane" way to do it

but I was proposing we seize a large sum of money more or less at once (the money will come in slowly but it the immediate costs can be covered by bonds) without impacting the future potential for buying a 2nd house, but yes we could tax them instead. I havent seen any studies about how we could raise more money from property tax (uk already has quite high property tax), but I might look later

Well it is important to differentiate between land value and a general real property tax.
I support the former but not the latter. Property tax assess the whole value of the property, land value exempts/excludes assessing the value of buildings and improvements on the land, which is important. If you build a building on your building your land value tax would not increase but your general property tax would. Thus land value tax encourages development and use of the land, while a general real property tax discourages it.

And to structure them as I mentioned, not simply apply them across the board. The devil is in the details of this particular proposal.

[Bienenhalde]

Reductionism isn't always bad, and I would appreciate it if you could explain how it is wrong. Of course the past is the past, but the future is the future. Also "diet" yeah because we're all eating that asparagus-flavour ice cream with artichoke blancmange after some haute cuisine. This remains bullshit and there must be no compromise with Jamie Oliver. Give me Rustlers or give me death!

now i think i will have a full English breakfast thank you.

You sure you wouldn't be eating it if you were wealthy enough to afford buying that sort of food on a regular basis?

[Exalted Inquellian State]

TBH, I thought that the other threads closed cause someone posted a factbook or invited people to a roleplay.

Nope. Threads can't exceed 500 pages.

Yeah, I know, but that was my guess. Could this actually be deleted if someone did the things I described?

[Cekoviu]

Nope. Threads can't exceed 500 pages.

Yeah, I know, but that was my guess. Could this actually be deleted if someone did the things I described?

No, but you will get warned. Why don't you go read the OSRS or ask a mod instead of asking these easily-answerable questions of normal denizens?

[Andechs-Sisebut]

That’s all well and good but it changes nothing. If you reject the Normans, then you’re scarcely English. To deny them is not only foolish but blasphemes against Providence. I expect you to be speaking Englisc by weekend! Contemporary English is of course a concession too far?

"then you’re scarcely English" Explain how when you wake up, please.

Good morning to everyone! Or should I say, bonjour, tout le monde?

As someone as already elucidated, the Normans and Anglo-Saxons are long gone. The contemporary Englishman is their descendant and pretending that you aren’t isn’t doing you any favours. The Normans are inseparable from England now: your language, your history. You’re acting much like those Londoners do about the British Empire, and as someone that doesn’t like the Empire, I wouldn’t exist without it! Therefore, I will admire alongside Alfred the Great, of blessed memory, Edward Longshanks; I’ll venerate Saint Cuthbert alongside Blessed Lanfranc. I will criticise the Anglo-Saxons for losing to the Normans at Hastings, but I will also criticise the Normans for retaining French and the evolution of Englisc into Middle English. It is foolish to hate the past, it is done, it is God’s will!

This is about the time we ask ourselves, who cares? No one cares that the Romans were not significant contributors to mathematics or whatever. Very few people recall the legacy of Greece, many recall the legacy of Rome.

You have quite literally seen the influence of the Greeks if you've made it to high school. Pythagorean theorum, a wide plethora of political terms, common phrases and adjectives such as Gordian knot and herculean, slogans/mottos like that of Ajax, both the football club and the cleaning supply manufacturer, and Nike, etc. Even a lot of the notable Romans y'all mentioned drew significant influence from Greece. Marcus Aurelius adhered to a philisophy that originated with Zeno of Citium in Athens and wrote his Meditations in Koine. Julius Caesar allegedly wept before a statue of Alexander the Great, lamenting that he had not accomplished any great deeds by the same age. Virgil drew heavy influence from the Homeric Cycles. And I can go on.

Again, who cares? My point is not to diminish the Greeks, I’m not personally in that business, but to point out that, for all their worthy achievements, people in the West will recall the legacy of the unadorned, pauper Rome before Greece. Most people moan and sigh for the destruction of the Roman Empire, not Alexander’s! The same goes for the Anglo-Saxons and Normans; as much as I love the Normans, I will recall the Anglo-Saxons first. But my position is this, indeed we are the inheritors of the Romans and Greeks, we should take what is good from them and cherish their memory.

[Northern Davincia]

cost of creating a space based reconnaissance & submarine semi-ballistic complex with a constellation of imint/sigint satellites guiding subsurface launched low-profile lo-lo cruise missiles around real time elint data collected on the opposing IADS: costly for anyone but USA

destroying the vatican: priceless

If you will not come to Rome, Rome will come to you. Give yourself a Latin name before it's too late.

[Munkcestrian RepubIic]

Reductionism isn't always bad, and I would appreciate it if you could explain how it is wrong. Of course the past is the past, but the future is the future. Also "diet" yeah because we're all eating that asparagus-flavour ice cream with artichoke blancmange after some haute cuisine. This remains bullshit and there must be no compromise with Jamie Oliver. Give me Rustlers or give me death!

now i think i will have a full English breakfast thank you.

You sure you wouldn't be eating it if you were wealthy enough to afford buying that sort of food on a regular basis?

Yes, I would literally be sick.

[Salus Maior]

It is highly necessary to have she-physicians working as obgyns and a few other specialties, as it is best to have a woman dealing with such issues for the sake of propriety and patient comfort.

"she-physicians"
we aren't speaking ket (as much as i'd like for it to be so) so we don't prepend gender specifiers to occupations. upgrade your english grammar from version 1844/09, thanks

I'm pretty sure he goes out of his way to say those sorts of things to provoke a reaction.

[Genivaria]

"she-physicians"
we aren't speaking ket (as much as i'd like for it to be so) so we don't prepend gender specifiers to occupations. upgrade your english grammar from version 1844/09, thanks

I'm pretty sure he goes out of his way to say those sorts of things to provoke a reaction.

There's a word for that, it starts with a T.

[Cekoviu]

"she-physicians"
we aren't speaking ket (as much as i'd like for it to be so) so we don't prepend gender specifiers to occupations. upgrade your english grammar from version 1844/09, thanks

I'm pretty sure he goes out of his way to say those sorts of things to provoke a reaction.

well, it's working

[Saiwania]

It seems like Nazis get kicked off of the site pretty rapidly because their views are inherently based around ideas which violate the rules. With the exception of Saiwania, I guess.

I'm not even the most Nazi by National Socialist standards. In any case, I'm losing interest in this website to the extent that I might be voluntarily quitting over the long term. The rules as written I've never 100% agreed with, even though I've done what I can to follow it. The fact remains that there are other forums that will let me post more like how I really want to. I've come to realize that maybe there exists greener pastures for me to use my more finite time on; that perhaps this isn't the best place for me anymore. Maybe I'll stop by on occasion, but its gotten to be too troublesome overall. Best of luck to everyone.