The Future of China

[Infected Mushroom]

This is all a little disingenuous, first off to say 'before the war' generally means the period reasonably shortly before the war.. the previous 20 years were known as the Great Rapprochement, indicative of their warm relations.

Regardless, the US and UK were always likely to be friendly, same language, essentially similar political beliefs, key trade routes.

The US advantage over the UK is the same as it has over China, a huge amount of land and resources in which to expand. China is very limited in this regard, the sea to the East and the Himalayas to the West, a huge amount of land is desert. Once China loses the benefit of cheaper labour it has little room to manoeuvre.

China depends on the rest of the world far more than the US does, and it's been pissing off a lot of that world lately.

America and China on the other hand, do not share the same language and are opposites on the political spectrum. And since they are actively vying for supremacy, it's unlikely tensions will be eased. The UK and the US was more of a friendlier competition compared to the Sino-American feud right now.

A “feud” in which the USA is literally the biggest trade partner and financier of the PRC

Look past the words, the symbolic “trade war” and at the actual numbers. They are economic allies. USA is choosing to help China.

[Shanghai industrial complex]

America and China on the other hand, do not share the same language and are opposites on the political spectrum. And since they are actively vying for supremacy, it's unlikely tensions will be eased. The UK and the US was more of a friendlier competition compared to the Sino-American feud right now.

A “feud” in which the USA is literally the biggest trade partner and financier of the PRC

Look past the words, the symbolic “trade war” and at the actual numbers. They are economic allies. USA is choosing to help China.

In fact, the biggest is the European Union.Less trade restrictions in Europe.The trade war between China and the United States made Europeans happy. They bet on both sides, joining in B & R and following American criticism of B & R.Someone helped them teach trump, and some helped them teach China, and more money to make.

[Kassaran]

A “feud” in which the USA is literally the biggest trade partner and financier of the PRC

Look past the words, the symbolic “trade war” and at the actual numbers. They are economic allies. USA is choosing to help China.

Germany and Japan were major economic partners of the US, right up until they decided they had gotten to be too big for America to actually stand against.

China is making moves to try and supersede a literal global hegemon with the strength of only half of a continent. That's not going to work and their bets on bringing African or European allies to bear won't work for another thirty to fifty years. By then, at the current rate of transgressions the Chinese have been pursuing, American patience will wear thin. Already a vast amount of persons in the US are deeply suspicious of the CCP, more than in previous administrations who were happy to continue the Grand Experiment in China.

The West needs to come to its senses soon and cohesively work together to break down the Chinese superstate or bring it to heel. The leaders of the CCP should be made to realize that they stand to lose far more with their insubordinate behavior than the west, especially given the gap in military, cultural, and economic power that currently exists. No one can make an angry or upset US do anything it doesn't want to do or else it will face the same fire and fury it has held in reserve for almost a century.

[Infected Mushroom]

This is what I have:

Below is a list highlighting 15 of China’s top trading partners in terms of export sales. That is, these countries imported the most Chinese shipments by dollar value during 2019. Also shown is each import country’s percentage of total Chinese exports.

United States: US$418.6 billion (16.8% of China’s total exports)
Hong Kong: $279.6 billion (11.2%)
Japan: $143.2 billion (5.7%)
South Korea: $111 billion (4.4%)
Vietnam: $98 billion (3.9%)
Germany: $79.7 billion (3.2%)
India: $74.9 billion (3%)
Netherlands: $73.9 billion (3%)
United Kingdom: $62.3 billion (2.5%)
Taiwan: $55.1 billion (2.2%)
Singapore: $55 billion (2.2%)
Malaysia: $52.5 billion (2.1%)
Russia: $49.5 billion (2%)
Australia: $48.1 billion (1.9%)
Mexico: $46.4 billion (1.9%)
Almost two-thirds (65.9%) of Chinese exports in 2019 were delivered to the above 15 trade partners.

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http://www.worldstopexports.com/chinas- ... -partners/

Since I believe that trade partner percentage is probably the biggest indicator of who your real friends are, I have to conclude that despite their being a largely nominal trade war... China and the USA are still really good friends/allies.

In the future, I think there’s more chances for them to work together and redefine geopolitical events across the world for their mutual benefit

[Pilipinas and Malaya]

America and China on the other hand, do not share the same language and are opposites on the political spectrum. And since they are actively vying for supremacy, it's unlikely tensions will be eased. The UK and the US was more of a friendlier competition compared to the Sino-American feud right now.

What color do you like the house?

Woah. What are you implying with this?

[New Bremerton]

What color do you like the house?

Woah. What are you implying with this?

Burning of Washington

[Pilipinas and Malaya]

Woah. What are you implying with this?

Burning of Washington

Yes, I’m aware of the burning, but what are they aiming at with that response here?

[New Bremerton]

Burning of Washington

Yes, I’m aware of the burning, but what are they aiming at with that response here?

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Heloin]

Since I believe that trade partner percentage is probably the biggest indicator of who your real friends are, I have to conclude that despite their being a largely nominal trade war... China and the USA are still really good friends/allies.

That's stupid.

In the future, I think there’s more chances for them to work together and redefine geopolitical events across the world for their mutual benefit

The USA and the PRC literally consider each other their greatest military, political, and economic threats.

[Pythaga]

I think unless something incredibly drastic happens, there won't be any changes to the status quo.

Cameras in homes and other super-authoritarian measures like it are why. In today's modern world of hyper-surveillance there would simply be no way for a major movement to be engineered from among the populous, and any grassroots action will be detected and stamped out before it even gets going.

Hong Kong wasn't as fully surveilled and controlled as the mainland is, which is why their protests were able to get off the ground. On the mainland though, I don't think anything like that would be possible today.

[US-SSR]

China's future is bright and growing brighter. As the US all but withdraws from the global stage, China is pursuing every opportunity to fill the resultant vacuum, from expanding foreign aid in the "third world" to increasing its military presence in its region to stepping in to fund the WHO. Daddy Xi and his gang retain a firm headlock on any and all sources of opposition and continue to demonstrate a ruthless ability to suppress, if not destroy, it when occasion demands. Predictions about the demise of the CCP are like those about the fall of any empire in that they are bound to be correct eventually. But we'll see workers' control of the means of production in the US long before any significant change in the Chinese political scene.

Thank Goodness, I was worried we were losing. Now that I know you are a doom sayer I can be sure victory is soon to be at hand. One can reliably do the opposite of the State department crowd and never go wrong.

Thanks so much for that fact-free ad hominem. While you're waiting for the CCP to collapse you could maybe peruse a few stories about how the "State department crowd" has been helping US citizens overseas at no little personal risk or something.

[Great Jenovah]

I think that Covid-19 will actually work out in favor for the China. It will cause a debt crisis without question. China has developing countries ensnared in debt traps. When the crisis hits, it will be buying entire countries up and tightening its grip over it.

[Infected Mushroom]

Since I believe that trade partner percentage is probably the biggest indicator of who your real friends are, I have to conclude that despite their being a largely nominal trade war... China and the USA are still really good friends/allies.

That's stupid.

In the future, I think there’s more chances for them to work together and redefine geopolitical events across the world for their mutual benefit

The USA and the PRC literally consider each other their greatest military, political, and economic threats.

Look past the rhetorics and at the actual trade numbers and percentages

The USA is economically propping up the PRC. In exchange, China supplies American consumers and the West with cheap high quality consumer goods and production. It’s a win win.

And the trends show that despite formal rhetorical duels, this partnership will continue well into the future.

[Heloin]

That's stupid.


The USA and the PRC literally consider each other their greatest military, political, and economic threats.

Look past the rhetorics and at the actual trade numbers and percentages

Because they rarely portray what you say they are portraying.

The USA is economically propping up the PRC.

Doesn't mean American should.

In exchange, China supplies American consumers and the West with cheap high quality consumer goods and production.

Only you think they're high quality. Reality says very differently.

It’s a win win.

It's not.

And the trends show that despite formal rhetorical duels, this partnership will continue well into the future.

No it shows that tensions will only continue to rise.

[Infected Mushroom]

Look past the rhetorics and at the actual trade numbers and percentages

Because they rarely portray what you say they are portraying.

The USA is economically propping up the PRC.

Doesn't mean American should.

In exchange, China supplies American consumers and the West with cheap high quality consumer goods and production.

Only you think they're high quality. Reality says very differently.

It’s a win win.

It's not.

And the trends show that despite formal rhetorical duels, this partnership will continue well into the future.

No it shows that tensions will only continue to rise.

There are no tensions so long as the net effect of America’s actions is to provide a strong market for and economically support the PRC

I will only acknowledge that there’s tension if those trade numbers change

You have to look past the rhetoric and at the actual economic reality

China and the USA aren’t enemies. If Trump wants to make it seem that way as part of his electoral campaign strategy and it works for him (so he can keep trading with China), then I support that.

[Shanghai industrial complex]

In exchange, China supplies American consumers and the West with cheap high quality consumer goods and production.

Only you think they're high quality. Reality says very differently.

Then why buy it? Bought a lot more

[Infected Mushroom]

I think that Covid-19 will actually work out in favor for the China. It will cause a debt crisis without question. China has developing countries ensnared in debt traps. When the crisis hits, it will be buying entire countries up and tightening its grip over it.

I think so

Though I wouldn’t use the word debt trap, it implies that the countries shouldn’t have to pay back their debts. If you borrow, you have to accept risks and honor obligations.

[Washingtons Capitol District of Columbia]

This is all a little disingenuous, first off to say 'before the war' generally means the period reasonably shortly before the war.. the previous 20 years were known as the Great Rapprochement, indicative of their warm relations.

Regardless, the US and UK were always likely to be friendly, same language, essentially similar political beliefs, key trade routes.

The US advantage over the UK is the same as it has over China, a huge amount of land and resources in which to expand. China is very limited in this regard, the sea to the East and the Himalayas to the West, a huge amount of land is desert. Once China loses the benefit of cheaper labour it has little room to manoeuvre.

China depends on the rest of the world far more than the US does, and it's been pissing off a lot of that world lately.

America and China on the other hand, do not share the same language and are opposites on the political spectrum. And since they are actively vying for supremacy, it's unlikely tensions will be eased. The UK and the US was more of a friendlier competition compared to the Sino-American feud right now.

[Infected Mushroom]

Only you think they're high quality. Reality says very differently.

Then why buy it? Bought a lot more

Yeah...

The massive consumption by the West of Chinese products shows that on the whole, consumers are satisfied with the price to quality to availability ratios

[Heloin]

Because they rarely portray what you say they are portraying.


Doesn't mean American should.


Only you think they're high quality. Reality says very differently.


It's not.


No it shows that tensions will only continue to rise.

There are no tensions so long as the net effect of America’s actions is to provide a strong market for and economically support the PRC

I will only acknowledge that there’s tension if those trade numbers change

You have to look past the rhetoric and at the actual economic reality

China and the USA aren’t enemies. If Trump wants to make it seem that way as part of his electoral campaign strategy and it works for him (so he can keep trading with China), then I support that.

This has literally nothing to do with Trump. These are too countries that see each other as enemies.
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/us-ch ... 2020-04-27
https://www.wsj.com/articles/pandemic-m ... 1587113926

[Heloin]

Only you think they're high quality. Reality says very differently.

Then why buy it? Bought a lot more

Because they're cheap. It's a lie to say Chinese made products are of high quality when their world wide reputation is to be of abysmal quality back by the reality that they are of poor quality, but cheap products will still sell over a good quality product that's half the price.

[Infected Mushroom]

There are no tensions so long as the net effect of America’s actions is to provide a strong market for and economically support the PRC

I will only acknowledge that there’s tension if those trade numbers change

You have to look past the rhetoric and at the actual economic reality

China and the USA aren’t enemies. If Trump wants to make it seem that way as part of his electoral campaign strategy and it works for him (so he can keep trading with China), then I support that.

This has literally nothing to do with Trump. These are too countries that see each other as enemies.
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/us-ch ... 2020-04-27
https://www.wsj.com/articles/pandemic-m ... 1587113926

That’s just the media’s spin on it. But it’s disingenuous when the USA tops the export list for China (at 16 percent of all exports). I’ve already shown you a source on that with the numbers.

If John gives James 20 million every year for small favors but then occasionally says “I hate you” in public... are they really ennemies/rivals? No, they are friends and allies. Both sides understand that.

Numbers don’t lie. I don’t know why the media wants to push this untrue USA and China are enemies narrative. USA is literally financing and propping up China. It’s China’s biggest economic benefactor.

[Infected Mushroom]

Then why buy it? Bought a lot more

Because they're cheap. It's a lie to say Chinese made products are of high quality when their world wide reputation is to be of abysmal quality back by the reality that they are of poor quality, but cheap products will still sell over a good quality product that's half the price.

They have high quality as a result of all factors: price, availability, consumer satisfaction, reliability etc

The ratio of those things in total is good, resulting in high quality and success in the western market

[Shanghai industrial complex]

Then why buy it? Bought a lot more

Because they're cheap. It's a lie to say Chinese made products are of high quality when their world wide reputation is to be of abysmal quality back by the reality that they are of poor quality, but cheap products will still sell over a good quality product that's half the price.

I think that word should be called cost performance.If you think the only advantage of Chinese products is that they are cheap, does it mean that a large number of poor people depend on China to live?

[Heloin]

This has literally nothing to do with Trump. These are too countries that see each other as enemies.
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/us-ch ... 2020-04-27
https://www.wsj.com/articles/pandemic-m ... 1587113926

That’s just the media’s spin on it. But it’s disingenuous when the USA tops the export list for China (at 16 percent of all exports). I’ve already shown you a source on that with the numbers.

US-PRC relations are in free fall right now. It makes no sense to think that the actual hostilities these two countries show each other means they're best of friends.

If John gives James 20 million every year for small favors but then occasionally says “I hate you” in public... are they really ennemies/rivals? No, they are friends and allies. Both sides understand that.

That's not what happens. That's the stupidest analogy I've ever heard. And every once in a while John sells guns and weapons to James's neighbour and sometimes sails a fleet of warships near James's house! And James sells guns and weapons to the Coke dealer down the street who wants to kill John! See, aren't they all best of friends!

Numbers don’t lie. I don’t know why the media wants to push this untrue USA and China are enemies narrative. USA is literally financing and propping up China. It’s China’s biggest economic benefactor.

Because they are enemies. Their militaries and governments see each other as active and real threats.