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Repeal "Prevention Of Forced Sterilisation"
A resolution to repeal previously passed legislation.Category: RepealTarget: GA#486Proposed by: Peoples Papal States
General Assembly Resolution #486 “Prevention Of Forced Sterilisation” (Category: Civil Rights; Strength: Mild) shall be struck out and rendered null and void.
The World Assembly,
Appalled at the cruelty inherent in taking advantage of minors;
Shocked at the level of support given to such "people" within the jurisdiction of several member nations;
Adamant that forced sterilisation as a punishment for sexual offenders is both justified and necessary, given the severe and long-term depression and anxiety sexual abuse usually causes for its victims;
Similarly determined to recognise that, in addition to its inherent cruelty, people who take advantage of minors should be considered to have revoked their person-hood, and in enacting such disgusting practice themselves they exemplify the very worst of humanity to the degree that they are holey irredeemable and as such do not deserve any sort of compassion or assistance;
Additionally assertive that the inconceivably vast majority of program that involves the sterilisation of sexual predators is in no way, shape, or form related to programs for the sterilisation of minorities, and that one should not be considered when talking about the other.
Resolving to re-establish this more than justified practice;
Hereby,
This proposal urges for the repeal of "prevention of forced sterilisation" and all its terms for reason of it being a severely misguided attempt at humanitarianism directed to support those who do not deserve to be considered human.
by Champagne Socialist Sharifistan » Sun Apr 26, 2020 3:02 am
by Union of Sovereign States and Republics » Sun Apr 26, 2020 8:13 am
Champagne Socialist Sharifistan wrote:"Do any of you intend to make a resolution regulating forced sterilisation?
Use of forced sterilisation against rapists (including actual paedophiles) is ok but what about another law regarding it's use by those regimes that wish to use it against ethnic minorities, the disabled, dissidents or anyone who fails to conform in the slightest way to socio-sexual norms?"-
Sultan Suleiman Khan
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by Champagne Socialist Sharifistan » Sun Apr 26, 2020 8:32 am
Union of Sovereign States and Republics wrote:Champagne Socialist Sharifistan wrote:"Do any of you intend to make a resolution regulating forced sterilisation?
Use of forced sterilisation against rapists (including actual paedophiles) is ok but what about another law regarding it's use by those regimes that wish to use it against ethnic minorities, the disabled, dissidents or anyone who fails to conform in the slightest way to socio-sexual norms?"-
Sultan Suleiman Khan
Your Highness, I believe the topic of sexual and gender minorities are covered in GA#457, "Defending The Rights Of Sexual And Gender Minorities", and minority languages and their speakers in GA#426, "Protecting Minority Languages".
by Wallenburg » Sun Apr 26, 2020 8:56 am
by Champagne Socialist Sharifistan » Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:08 am
Wallenburg wrote:"Sterilization is of no use to corrections services, and represents a cruel form of punishment unacceptable to our delegation. We will not support this."
by Wallenburg » Sun Apr 26, 2020 9:17 am
Champagne Socialist Sharifistan wrote:Wallenburg wrote:"Sterilization is of no use to corrections services, and represents a cruel form of punishment unacceptable to our delegation. We will not support this."
"What about preventing rapists impregnating their victims? This can lead to either painful childbirth to children who lack father's or abortions. Also chemical castration might be considered sterilisation but often reduces a rapist's inclinations."- Sultan Suleiman Khan
by Champagne Socialist Sharifistan » Sun Apr 26, 2020 10:55 am
Wallenburg wrote:Champagne Socialist Sharifistan wrote:"What about preventing rapists impregnating their victims? This can lead to either painful childbirth to children who lack father's or abortions. Also chemical castration might be considered sterilisation but often reduces a rapist's inclinations."- Sultan Suleiman Khan
"Unfortunately, sterilization only works after it is performed. Unless you can predict the future and sterilize will-be rapists before their non-consensual congress, this will not prevent pregnancy from rape.
"In addition, abortion of the pregnancy is always an option, despite efforts to the contrary by some delegations."
by Outer Sparta » Sun Apr 26, 2020 11:14 am
by Champagne Socialist Sharifistan » Sun Apr 26, 2020 11:21 am
by Champagne Socialist Sharifistan » Sun Apr 26, 2020 11:29 am
by Union of Sovereign States and Republics » Sun Apr 26, 2020 12:06 pm
Champagne Socialist Sharifistan wrote:Wallenburg wrote:"Unfortunately, sterilization only works after it is performed. Unless you can predict the future and sterilize will-be rapists before their non-consensual congress, this will not prevent pregnancy from rape.
"In addition, abortion of the pregnancy is always an option, despite efforts to the contrary by some delegations."
" Abortion is often traumatic to the woman.
Also why do you side with the rapist over either the mother or the unborn child?
Oh and have you ever heard of re-offending?"-Sultan Suleiman Khan
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by Wallenburg » Sun Apr 26, 2020 12:26 pm
Champagne Socialist Sharifistan wrote:Wallenburg wrote:"Unfortunately, sterilization only works after it is performed. Unless you can predict the future and sterilize will-be rapists before their non-consensual congress, this will not prevent pregnancy from rape.
"In addition, abortion of the pregnancy is always an option, despite efforts to the contrary by some delegations."
" Abortion is often traumatic to the woman.
Also why do you side with the rapist over either the mother or the unborn child?
Oh and have you ever heard of re-offending?"-Sultan Suleiman Khan
by Champagne Socialist Sharifistan » Sun Apr 26, 2020 12:35 pm
Wallenburg wrote:Champagne Socialist Sharifistan wrote:" Abortion is often traumatic to the woman.
Also why do you side with the rapist over either the mother or the unborn child?
Oh and have you ever heard of re-offending?"-Sultan Suleiman Khan
"Traumatic or not, that is an open and reasonable option to an unwanted pregnancy. And I'm not siding with any hypothetical rapist, sir, I'm pointing out that sterilizing someone after they've committed sex crimes won't do anything but satisfy sadists and violate the bodily autonomy of the person undergoing a forced medical procedure."
by Saint Norm » Sun Apr 26, 2020 1:06 pm
by Wallenburg » Sun Apr 26, 2020 1:35 pm
Champagne Socialist Sharifistan wrote:Wallenburg wrote:"Traumatic or not, that is an open and reasonable option to an unwanted pregnancy. And I'm not siding with any hypothetical rapist, sir, I'm pointing out that sterilizing someone after they've committed sex crimes won't do anything but satisfy sadists and violate the bodily autonomy of the person undergoing a forced medical procedure."
"There are three types of people in the world: those who pay attention properly and people who forget one rhetorical question?"
by Champagne Socialist Sharifistan » Sun Apr 26, 2020 2:00 pm
Wallenburg wrote:Champagne Socialist Sharifistan wrote:"There are three types of people in the world: those who pay attention properly and people who forget one rhetorical question?"
"I believe you miscounted, and that you misunderstand the purpose of a rhetorical question if you expect me to answer one."
by Champagne Socialist Sharifistan » Sun Apr 26, 2020 2:01 pm
Union of Sovereign States and Republics wrote:Champagne Socialist Sharifistan wrote:" Abortion is often traumatic to the woman.
Also why do you side with the rapist over either the mother or the unborn child?
Oh and have you ever heard of re-offending?"-Sultan Suleiman Khan
"Your Highness, abortion is the choice of the woman. The resolution is not forcing abortion on anyone. Likewise to that, fetuses aren't "alive" in the traditional sense, as they can not live outside of the womb for an extended period of time without significant care towards their well-being, unlike that of a normal baby, which can live without special care; if they could not, then humanity and possibly other sapient civilizations would not exist. I don't think we had incubators in 20,000 BCE. To your point on re-offenders, only 2.5% of rapists are convicted for another rape after their release from prison, and only 1.2% of people who were arrested for homicide have committed a second homicide."
by Wallenburg » Sun Apr 26, 2020 2:23 pm
Champagne Socialist Sharifistan wrote:Wallenburg wrote:"I believe you miscounted, and that you misunderstand the purpose of a rhetorical question if you expect me to answer one."
"The counting was a joke about paying attention.
Also whilst the question was rhetorical in the sense of not requiring an answer as such. That does not me it requires no response. How is sterilisation of sexual criminals pointless if re-offending exists."
by Champagne Socialist Sharifistan » Sun Apr 26, 2020 2:33 pm
Wallenburg wrote:Champagne Socialist Sharifistan wrote:"The counting was a joke about paying attention.
Also whilst the question was rhetorical in the sense of not requiring an answer as such. That does not me it requires no response. How is sterilisation of sexual criminals pointless if re-offending exists."
"Sterilisation does not prevent repeated offenses, rehabilitation does. Try something less medieval perhaps."
by Separatist Peoples » Sun Apr 26, 2020 2:38 pm
Champagne Socialist Sharifistan wrote:Wallenburg wrote:"Sterilisation does not prevent repeated offenses, rehabilitation does. Try something less medieval perhaps."
"You can use both. It also stops the rapist impregnating their victim protecting her from having make a painful and difficult decision. Why do you care more about the rapist than the potential victim? How is sterilisation worse than life without parole?
Sterilisation is the alternative to life without parole.
The only thing medieval about this is a willingness of real men to defend their wives, daughters, cousins and sisters regardless of external repercussions. Stuff like this is why Sharifistan is not in the World Assembly."-Sultan Suleiman Khan
by Wallenburg » Sun Apr 26, 2020 2:45 pm
Champagne Socialist Sharifistan wrote:Wallenburg wrote:"Sterilisation does not prevent repeated offenses, rehabilitation does. Try something less medieval perhaps."
"You can use both. It also stops the rapist impregnating their victim protecting her from having make a painful and difficult decision. Why do you care more about the rapist than the potential victim? How is sterilisation worse than life without parole?
Sterilisation is the alternative to life without parole.
The only thing medieval about this is a willingness of real men to defend their wives, daughters, cousins and sisters regardless of external repercussions. Stuff like this is why Sharifistan is not in the World Assembly."-Sultan Suleiman Khan
by Champagne Socialist Sharifistan » Sun Apr 26, 2020 2:57 pm
Wallenburg wrote:Champagne Socialist Sharifistan wrote:"You can use both. It also stops the rapist impregnating their victim protecting her from having make a painful and difficult decision. Why do you care more about the rapist than the potential victim? How is sterilisation worse than life without parole?
Sterilisation is the alternative to life without parole.
Trevanyika waves her hand dismissively, "No, it isn't. Again, try imagining something other than pure punishment as a means of correcting criminal behavior, because punishment doesn't work. It just creates tougher criminals."The only thing medieval about this is a willingness of real men to defend their wives, daughters, cousins and sisters regardless of external repercussions. Stuff like this is why Sharifistan is not in the World Assembly."-Sultan Suleiman Khan
"Is that supposed to be an insult? Women can defend ourselves, thank you kindly."
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