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Why do you think casual sex is immoral or should not be practiced, if you do?

My religion says so
51
13%
It promotes STD spread
65
16%
It is degrading
61
15%
It is selfish
35
9%
Other (describe in a reply)
22
5%
I don't think it is immoral
172
42%
 
Total votes : 406

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Sundiata
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Postby Sundiata » Sat Apr 25, 2020 2:24 pm

Neanderthaland wrote:
Sundiata wrote:I agree, that's why priests don't administer the sacrament of marriage- the couple does.

There are plenty of people who are committed but not married. Who aren't interested in being married for whatever reason. Saying that this invalidates their true love is insulting.
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Postby Neanderthaland » Sat Apr 25, 2020 3:34 pm

Sundiata wrote:
Neanderthaland wrote:There are plenty of people who are committed but not married. Who aren't interested in being married for whatever reason. Saying that this invalidates their true love is insulting.
It's not an easy teaching.

It's a false teaching.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Sat Apr 25, 2020 4:33 pm

Neanderthaland wrote:
Sundiata wrote: It's not an easy teaching.

It's a false teaching.

I think what Sundiata is saying is that marriage and that kind of commitment are synonymous in practice in the eyes of God.
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Postby Neanderthaland » Sat Apr 25, 2020 5:02 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Neanderthaland wrote:It's a false teaching.

I think what Sundiata is saying is that marriage and that kind of commitment are synonymous in practice in the eyes of God.

Well then he can say it.
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Postby Purple Rats » Sat Apr 25, 2020 5:32 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Neanderthaland wrote:It's a false teaching.

I think what Sundiata is saying is that marriage and that kind of commitment are synonymous in practice in the eyes of God.


Maybe in God's eyes, but not for his, as he has said, that nobody should enter to relationship without intention to marry.
IIRC he even mentioned about "wasting woman's time"- which is nonsense, imo.

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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Sat Apr 25, 2020 6:39 pm

Purple Rats wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:I think what Sundiata is saying is that marriage and that kind of commitment are synonymous in practice in the eyes of God.


Maybe in God's eyes, but not for his, as he has said, that nobody should enter to relationship without intention to marry.
IIRC he even mentioned about "wasting woman's time"- which is nonsense, imo.

Neanderthaland wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:I think what Sundiata is saying is that marriage and that kind of commitment are synonymous in practice in the eyes of God.

Well then he can say it.

It's important to keep in mind that for much of Christian history, marriage was a covenant that people entered into of their own accord, without much church involvement. People moved in together and that was considered good enough to be married. It wasn't even until the 10th century that priestly officiating became a big thing.
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Postby Tarsonis » Sat Apr 25, 2020 9:05 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Purple Rats wrote:
Maybe in God's eyes, but not for his, as he has said, that nobody should enter to relationship without intention to marry.
IIRC he even mentioned about "wasting woman's time"- which is nonsense, imo.

Neanderthaland wrote:Well then he can say it.

It's important to keep in mind that for much of Christian history, marriage was a covenant that people entered into of their own accord, without much church involvement. People moved in together and that was considered good enough to be married. It wasn't even until the 10th century that priestly officiating became a big thing.


Note, while weddings were not an overly widely done thing, marriage was still no less considered a sacrament.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Sat Apr 25, 2020 9:58 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Neanderthaland wrote:It's a false teaching.

I think what Sundiata is saying is that marriage and that kind of commitment are synonymous in practice in the eyes of God.


No, I think he is truly saying that any union not before God (his God, not that of another religion) is meaningless and devoid of true love.
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Postby Tarsonis » Sat Apr 25, 2020 10:00 pm

The Alma Mater wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:I think what Sundiata is saying is that marriage and that kind of commitment are synonymous in practice in the eyes of God.


No, I think he is truly saying that any union not before God (his God, not that of another religion) is meaningless and devoid of true love.


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United Muscovite Nations
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Mon Apr 27, 2020 7:27 am

The Alma Mater wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:I think what Sundiata is saying is that marriage and that kind of commitment are synonymous in practice in the eyes of God.


No, I think he is truly saying that any union not before God (his God, not that of another religion) is meaningless and devoid of true love.

What union is not before God, pray tell?
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Kernen
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Postby Kernen » Mon Apr 27, 2020 8:25 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:
No, I think he is truly saying that any union not before God (his God, not that of another religion) is meaningless and devoid of true love.

What union is not before God, pray tell?

I suppose that depends on what you mean about being before god. If god is omnipresent, all of them. If you take a more particular reason as evoking the witnessing by and approval of god as an essential part of the action, far fewer.

My own marriage was not before god in the latter sense whether you believe or not. But it would be hard to argue it was not in the former sense if you accept omnipresence as an essential part of god.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Mon Apr 27, 2020 8:28 am

Kernen wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:What union is not before God, pray tell?

I suppose that depends on what you mean about being before god. If god is omnipresent, all of them. If you take a more particular reason as evoking the witnessing by and approval of god as an essential part of the action, far fewer.

My own marriage was not before god in the latter sense whether you believe or not. But it would be hard to argue it was not in the former sense if you accept omnipresence as an essential part of god.

It would be far fewer in the latter sense, but I don't think it would be as exclusive as you take it to mean.
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Postby Kernen » Mon Apr 27, 2020 9:12 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Kernen wrote:I suppose that depends on what you mean about being before god. If god is omnipresent, all of them. If you take a more particular reason as evoking the witnessing by and approval of god as an essential part of the action, far fewer.

My own marriage was not before god in the latter sense whether you believe or not. But it would be hard to argue it was not in the former sense if you accept omnipresence as an essential part of god.

It would be far fewer in the latter sense, but I don't think it would be as exclusive as you take it to mean.

That's why I broke it down. It depends on what precisely one intends to mean.
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The Alma Mater
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Postby The Alma Mater » Mon Apr 27, 2020 9:15 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:
No, I think he is truly saying that any union not before God (his God, not that of another religion) is meaningless and devoid of true love.

What union is not before God, pray tell?

A union in which God is not involved as far as the participants are concerned. For instance because they see it as something between themselves or because they involve another deity.
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Postby Nemohsis » Mon Apr 27, 2020 9:18 am

I think it's interesting that I once saw a study which says sex with the same person multiple times- actually, even one time!- will change the chemical composition of your brain so you will be more inclined to be biased towards them ( :blink: ). That kinda defeats the purpose of casual sex, hm? Gotta social distance the feels!

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Cekoviu
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Postby Cekoviu » Mon Apr 27, 2020 9:29 am

Nemohsis wrote:I think it's interesting that I once saw a study which says sex with the same person multiple times- actually, even one time!- will change the chemical composition of your brain so you will be more inclined to be biased towards them ( :blink: ). That kinda defeats the purpose of casual sex, hm? Gotta social distance the feels!

mind telling us which study that was?
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Mon Apr 27, 2020 9:32 am

The Alma Mater wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:What union is not before God, pray tell?

A union in which God is not involved as far as the participants are concerned. For instance because they see it as something between themselves or because they involve another deity.

That doesn't necessarily mean that God does not approve of the union.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Mon Apr 27, 2020 11:12 am

Nemohsis wrote:I think it's interesting that I once saw a study which says sex with the same person multiple times- actually, even one time!- will change the chemical composition of your brain so you will be more inclined to be biased towards them ( :blink: ). That kinda defeats the purpose of casual sex, hm? Gotta social distance the feels!


I believe in mastering my feelings through strict meditation and mental fortitude.

I will admit that when you have sex with a woman, it can cause a connection to form. That's why you have to be strong, because otherwise you'll make a fool of yourself.
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Postby Senkaku » Mon Apr 27, 2020 11:20 am

Rojava Free State wrote:
Nemohsis wrote:I think it's interesting that I once saw a study which says sex with the same person multiple times- actually, even one time!- will change the chemical composition of your brain so you will be more inclined to be biased towards them ( :blink: ). That kinda defeats the purpose of casual sex, hm? Gotta social distance the feels!


I believe in mastering my feelings through strict meditation and mental fortitude.

I will admit that when you have sex with a woman, it can cause a connection to form. That's why you have to be strong, because otherwise you'll make a fool of yourself.

the toxic masculinity jokes are writing themselves at this point, my guy
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Postby Tarsonis » Mon Apr 27, 2020 12:56 pm

Senkaku wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
I believe in mastering my feelings through strict meditation and mental fortitude.

I will admit that when you have sex with a woman, it can cause a connection to form. That's why you have to be strong, because otherwise you'll make a fool of yourself.

the toxic masculinity jokes are writing themselves at this point, my guy


For real.
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Ayytaly
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Postby Ayytaly » Mon Apr 27, 2020 1:03 pm

Casual sex is more of a toxic feminism attribute than it is for its male counterpart. It's a relic of our primal past that the sex revolution revived, and has bred a generation of anti-intellectuals.
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Postby Cekoviu » Mon Apr 27, 2020 1:21 pm

Ayytaly wrote:Casual sex is more of a toxic feminism attribute than it is for its male counterpart. It's a relic of our primal past that the sex revolution revived, and has bred a generation of anti-intellectuals.

what?
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Postby Rojava Free State » Mon Apr 27, 2020 1:42 pm

Ayytaly wrote:Casual sex is more of a toxic feminism attribute than it is for its male counterpart. It's a relic of our primal past that the sex revolution revived, and has bred a generation of anti-intellectuals.


Ah, so telling people what they can do with their own body is big brained then.
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Postby Nemohsis » Mon Apr 27, 2020 2:41 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:A union in which God is not involved as far as the participants are concerned. For instance because they see it as something between themselves or because they involve another deity.

That doesn't necessarily mean that God does not approve of the union.

True. I think there's the example of God being like 'don't marry this person' but it was done anyway

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Postby Nemohsis » Mon Apr 27, 2020 2:44 pm

Ayytaly wrote:Casual sex is more of a toxic feminism attribute than it is for its male counterpart. It's a relic of our primal past that the sex revolution revived, and has bred a generation of anti-intellectuals.


I do believe that when most ppl talk about sex it involves a guy

just look at teenage guy talk...

But I do agree the emphasis on sex seems pretty ridiculous and kinda regressive almost ngl

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