[Withdrawn] Liberate Asia

[ShrewLlamaLand]

(which I estimate should be on April 30th or so because of Commend Saint Mark and Condemn Deruuu, don't quote me on this one!)

Quoted.

You're correct.

[HumanSanity]

Regardless of your claims that you have no intention of installing a password, we have no reason to take you at your word

Except for math

You're right, you can't password in time before this lib would come to a vote (thank goodness!). But, if this lib doesn't pass, after more time (and math ) you would be able to.

And if the lib goes through, pretty sure you'll get bored of having 80 pilers sit around all the time in Asia.

[Lord Dominator]

Except for math

You're right, you can't password in time before this lib would come to a vote (thank goodness!). But, if this lib doesn't pass, after more time (and math ) you would be able to.

And if the lib goes through, pretty sure you'll get bored of having 80 pilers sit around all the time in Asia.

We could password right now if we ejected enough pilers, it's having enough influence to eject the top native we wouldn't have for a week.

Regardless, there won't be pilers in Asia by the time this makes it to vote.

[Sedgistan]

And you were politely shown the fucking door. You are swinging with someone who has more experience in the end of his little fingernail than you will ever hope to acquire. Maybe for once, just take the hint and keep the fuck out of it?

Your tone is becoming increasingly reminiscent of DOS Chester Pearson, who you have been at pains to deny your association with in the past. I suggest you dial your attitude back several notches, and drop the unnecessarily antagonistic swearing, or we will have to revisit this.

Consider this an unofficial warning for flamebaiting.

[Tinhampton]

3 hours ago: The Dominion of Free HK updated the World Factbook entry.
From Asia's WFE: "This operation has concluded. Please return to the region ordered by your military. Your participation has been appreciated!"

WA Delegate Steak paul only has 30 endorsements, which hardly looks like a ninety-strong raider party. Whims (a ten-year native) hasn't been ejected, Asia has not been passworded and it isn't a raider trophy. Is this still needed, Kuriko?

AS OF 1015 BST ON MONDAY: Approvals: 136 out of 73 needed (Kuriko, Awesomeland012345, Imperial Eagle, Stolkland, United idiots and other individuals, The Chuck, The Proudhonnian Isles, Titanne, The Waffleonian Reich, Sulavia, Bearded Dragones, Scuncestan, Zentata, South Newlandia, Corsoaua, Candensia, Relkadia, Balkan Vojvodina, Bran Astor, The Stalker, Aureumterra, Prelet, The Princia, Carstantinopipal, Comackia, The Champlain, Arrowpolo, Karsti, Sedgistan, United Calanworie, Kustonia, Yodle, Johanneslanden, Kuromagna, Sleet Clans, The Zoomers, Spartakoi, Chanhu-Daro, Nekomimea, Gopniks Union, Ecotopia2, The Newest of Virginia, Baophenx Dynasty, The Eastern Pacific Islands, One Small Island, Papa Fetter, Omaha Utopia, Ellistopia, Sorentia, Otaku Stratus, Deathfall, Jean Rowe, Imperium Anglorum, Vicitania, Lead Keion, Orca and Narwhal, The Salaxalans, Byrdonia, New Gandor, Bej, Aumeltopia, ScotlandSerenity, Dead I Jack, Medoynia, GAIAD, Ransium, Gremenia, Palsada, Ashaie, Thornid, New Nationale Einheit, Neo Kerala, Groot, Loush Land, United Ediernestan, Cantanasia, Nikitan, Melenavenia, NewTexas, San Lumen, New Legland, Potato-Nation, Scandinavia and its Icelandic Territorys, Ostenberrg, Octal, South Osechia, Karteria, TexJeeps, Tymystan, Voroslavl, Valtula, South Krimelski, Ariusgrad, Corporate Triumvirate, Canogally, Ukraniumstan, Of NUGE, Pan-Asiatic States, Ziechen, Kim-Il Sung, Denathor, Soviet Union 13, Folgoria, Darastrixethe, St Nevis And Kitts, The Flyin, New Luciannova, Mother Bear, Nacho cheese, Teekerbocker, Qwabour Harbour, Thembria SSR, Drucezchski, Northern Brlen Kus, Dekks, Egyptosian, Alpes a Septentrionali Imperium, Dierexa, Newreath, United Dependencies, Orennica, People of Phoenix, Torregal, Republic of Hepvonian Socialists, Nghymru, Sloburg, Vursik, Elsworthia, Depeche Mode To Joy, United England n Wales, Ilmarene, Averra, Bulindania, Christian Democrats, Beinirham, Ariele)

[Kuriko]

3 hours ago: The Dominion of Free HK updated the World Factbook entry.
From Asia's WFE: "This operation has concluded. Please return to the region ordered by your military. Your participation has been appreciated!"

WA Delegate Steak paul only has 30 endorsements, which hardly looks like a ninety-strong raider party. Whims (a ten-year native) hasn't been ejected, Asia has not been passworded and it isn't a raider trophy. Is this still needed, Kuriko?

AS OF 1015 BST ON MONDAY: Approvals: 136 out of 73 needed (Kuriko, Awesomeland012345, Imperial Eagle, Stolkland, United idiots and other individuals, The Chuck, The Proudhonnian Isles, Titanne, The Waffleonian Reich, Sulavia, Bearded Dragones, Scuncestan, Zentata, South Newlandia, Corsoaua, Candensia, Relkadia, Balkan Vojvodina, Bran Astor, The Stalker, Aureumterra, Prelet, The Princia, Carstantinopipal, Comackia, The Champlain, Arrowpolo, Karsti, Sedgistan, United Calanworie, Kustonia, Yodle, Johanneslanden, Kuromagna, Sleet Clans, The Zoomers, Spartakoi, Chanhu-Daro, Nekomimea, Gopniks Union, Ecotopia2, The Newest of Virginia, Baophenx Dynasty, The Eastern Pacific Islands, One Small Island, Papa Fetter, Omaha Utopia, Ellistopia, Sorentia, Otaku Stratus, Deathfall, Jean Rowe, Imperium Anglorum, Vicitania, Lead Keion, Orca and Narwhal, The Salaxalans, Byrdonia, New Gandor, Bej, Aumeltopia, ScotlandSerenity, Dead I Jack, Medoynia, GAIAD, Ransium, Gremenia, Palsada, Ashaie, Thornid, New Nationale Einheit, Neo Kerala, Groot, Loush Land, United Ediernestan, Cantanasia, Nikitan, Melenavenia, NewTexas, San Lumen, New Legland, Potato-Nation, Scandinavia and its Icelandic Territorys, Ostenberrg, Octal, South Osechia, Karteria, TexJeeps, Tymystan, Voroslavl, Valtula, South Krimelski, Ariusgrad, Corporate Triumvirate, Canogally, Ukraniumstan, Of NUGE, Pan-Asiatic States, Ziechen, Kim-Il Sung, Denathor, Soviet Union 13, Folgoria, Darastrixethe, St Nevis And Kitts, The Flyin, New Luciannova, Mother Bear, Nacho cheese, Teekerbocker, Qwabour Harbour, Thembria SSR, Drucezchski, Northern Brlen Kus, Dekks, Egyptosian, Alpes a Septentrionali Imperium, Dierexa, Newreath, United Dependencies, Orennica, People of Phoenix, Torregal, Republic of Hepvonian Socialists, Nghymru, Sloburg, Vursik, Elsworthia, Depeche Mode To Joy, United England n Wales, Ilmarene, Averra, Bulindania, Christian Democrats, Beinirham, Ariele)

Considering Free HK has enough influence to put up an invisible password, and Steak Paul has enough influence to eject enough nations in order to get the nation count down far enough for it, yes it's necessary until the native delegate or a defender controls the delegacy.

[A Bloodred Moon]

Considering Free HK has enough influence to put up an invisible password, and Steak Paul has enough influence to eject enough nations in order to get the nation count down far enough for it, yes it's necessary until the native delegate or a defender controls the delegacy.

If we were planning on keeping it locked up, would we have withdrawn our 90 pilers? There is no sensible reason for this to go to vote, let alone for it to pass. Besides, 30 endorsements on a lead on an op that is already over is now out of reach for defenders? Has defending fallen so low it needs the Security Council to clean up every region we invade, let alone regions where the raid is already over?

The operation is concluded and those we banjected will soon be able to return. Your liberation did nothing to stop us, nor would it have if it had been passed earlier. Passing it now, after the operation, makes even less sense. Should our remaining ROs password the place it will be back in the hands of Whims and those with enough influence we couldn’t eject them as soon as our ROs move their WAs elsewhere. What is your aim here?

[Kuriko]

Considering Free HK has enough influence to put up an invisible password, and Steak Paul has enough influence to eject enough nations in order to get the nation count down far enough for it, yes it's necessary until the native delegate or a defender controls the delegacy.

If we were planning on keeping it locked up, would we have withdrawn our 90 pilers? There is no sensible reason for this to go to vote, let alone for it to pass. Besides, 30 endorsements on a lead on an op that is already over is now out of reach for defenders? Has defending fallen so low it needs the Security Council to clean up every region we invade, let alone regions where the raid is already over?

The operation is concluded and those we banjected will soon be able to return. Your liberation did nothing to stop us, nor would it have if it had been passed earlier. Passing it now, after the operation, makes even less sense. Should our remaining ROs password the place it will be back in the hands of Whims and those with enough influence we couldn’t eject them as soon as our ROs move their WAs elsewhere. What is your aim here?

You know very well how hard it is to pull 20+ people during the week Armaros, and we have absolutely no reason to trust the word of you or TBH. There is still 3 days to voting on this resolution, and if you all move out enough people for us to retake it I'll withdraw it.

Until then, I won't trust you on your word when you still have ROs capable of passwording it. Also, after passwording all it'll take is three raiders to decide to just hang out there in order to not allow Whims to take the delegacy. If you think we or the natives are going to trust raiders after burning the region down, think again.

[Devi]

If you think we or the natives are going to trust raiders after burning the region down, think again.

Ah yes, the natives that you definitely consulted before tossing an unneeded lib proposal and definitely not only after being called out on it

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

if you all move out enough people for us to retake it I'll withdraw it.

Until then,

30 is isn't low enough? I mean, you have 713 endorsements on you right now. And that's just XKI.

Also, after passwording all it'll take is three raiders to decide to just hang out there in order to not allow Whims to take the delegacy. If you think we or the natives are going to trust raiders after burning the region down, think again.

Ah yes, because 3 raiders will infinitely confine their WA's for eternity, to hold a passworded region, without the influence to remove the last natives or the pilers to *get* that influence, so that the natives can never eject them. Very likely.

Do you use strategies like this? Is this why 30e still itsn't low enough to take back?

[Jakker]

If you think we or the natives are going to trust raiders after burning the region down, think again.

Ah yes, the natives that you definitely consulted before tossing an unneeded lib proposal and definitely not only after being called out on it

Just a bunch of Empty Promises all around!

[Lord Dominator]

Do you use strategies like this? Is this why 30e still itsn't low enough to take back?

25 now

[Kuriko]

if you all move out enough people for us to retake it I'll withdraw it.

Until then,

30 is isn't low enough? I mean, you have 713 endorsements on you right now. And that's just XKI.

Also, after passwording all it'll take is three raiders to decide to just hang out there in order to not allow Whims to take the delegacy. If you think we or the natives are going to trust raiders after burning the region down, think again.

Ah yes, because 3 raiders will infinitely confine their WA's for eternity, to hold a passworded region, without the influence to remove the last natives or the pilers to *get* that influence, so that the natives can never eject them. Very likely.

Do you use strategies like this? Is this why 30e still itsn't low enough to take back?

You do realize it takes a hell of a lot more training to train a defender than a raider, right? We can't just have 10 people trained to take a region and then have pilers to hold it, we need 30-60 people trained to take a region. Y'all have it 10× easier than us.

If you think we or the natives are going to trust raiders after burning the region down, think again.

Ah yes, the natives that you definitely consulted before tossing an unneeded lib proposal and definitely not only after being called out on it

They were consulted, so instead of trying to spread lies to discredit us why don't you focus on your military affairs Devi?

Do you use strategies like this? Is this why 30e still itsn't low enough to take back?

25 now

Going to re-iterate, we need every single jumper trained in how to move+endo or move on a trigger. We can't just have 10-25 people trained and then have brand new people just move their WA nations like you raiders can.

[Lord Dominator]

They were consulted, so instead of trying to spread lies to discredit us why don't you focus on your military affairs Devi?

Lol

Going to re-iterate, we need every single jumper trained in how to move+endo or move on a trigger. We can't just have 10-25 people trained and then have brand new people just move their WA nations like you raiders can.

I'm aware. The point is, the piler count is continually going down (22 endos now), almost to the numbers you all were throwing at it for Liberation purposes.

Edit: Of course, the 20+ people currently crossing in ASS are looking quite nice

[Mallorea and Riva]

Ah yes, the natives that you definitely consulted before tossing an unneeded lib proposal and definitely not only after being called out on it

They were consulted, so instead of trying to spread lies to discredit us why don't you focus on your military affairs Devi?

That's fairly deceptive, wouldn't you say? You actually have never confirmed whether you consulted with the natives before tossing this proposal in. We know that at some point you asked them, but it sure seems like you asked them after the fact.

[Lord Dominator]

Oh hey look, a full 36 defenders/liberators crossed and jumping (and that made it in) on a Monday minor...

[World Assembly Nation 665]

Oh hey look, a full 36 defenders/liberators crossed and jumping (and that made it in) on a Monday minor...

Ruh roh Raggy.

[Devi]

You do realize it takes a hell of a lot more training to train a defender than a raider, right?

Gosh, I wouldn't have expected the 'fending is so much easier than raiding' argument from a representative of the region that couldn't even bother switching until relatively recently.

They were consulted

why don't you focus on your military affairs Devi?

Nah, raiding's too easy to take much effort. we don't have the grueling workload y'all have, so there's plenty of time to pointlessly bicker on the forums
besides, you seem to be confusing me for someone who isn't firmly lodged in their armchair

[Tinhampton]

18 minutes ago: The Empire of Kuriko withdrew a proposal from the WA Security Council titled "Liberate Asia".
19 minutes ago: The Rogue Nation of Lesbian Pirates from Outer Space became the Delegate for Asia.

Please tag your [Abandoned] proposals accordingly.

[Lmaoofl]

Oh hey look, a full 36 defenders/liberators crossed and jumping (and that made it in) on a Monday minor...

A significant number of which were were from TITO, of course.

The dogpile from TBH on Kuriko is cute, but the faux outrage that we don't happen to take known Crashers at their word when they say they aren't going to destroy a region they're actively in the process of destroying isn't. If anyone is in any doubt that TBH were engaging in regional destruction they should go take a look at the activity page on Asia and filter it to ejections.

Given the size of the pile before TBH withdrew the only option to protect against a password and completed grief was a liberation. It's that simple.

[Daytime to Night]

Also remarkably convenient how all the regional officers withdrew or resigned World Assembly status apart from the one who had the influence to impose a password and would have taken the delegacy if we hadn't moved in.

That same nation posted the 'withdraw' order, so you can't pretend that was some accident.

Glad we could liberate this with a significantly larger update force than the raiders could muster to take it in the first place

Welcome back natives of Asia

[Mallorea and Riva]

Glad we could liberate this with a significantly larger update force than the raiders could muster to take it in the first place

Easily the weirdest flex of the thread so far. Counting this as a liberation, thinking the numbers point is somehow impressive... yikes.

The reason people keep hammering Kuriko on the native point is because Kuriko keeps trying to avoid answering the question.

[Daytime to Night]

Glad we could liberate this with a significantly larger update force than the raiders could muster to take it in the first place

Easily the weirdest flex of the thread so far. Counting this as a liberation, thinking the numbers point is somehow impressive... yikes.

The reason people keep hammering Kuriko on the native point is because Kuriko keeps trying to avoid answering the question.

No, you keep hammering Kuriko because you all enjoy ganging up on her.

The natives gave me a carte blanche to do whatever it took to protect Asia, I gave Kuri the nod to post this when it seemed necessary and she got explicit support for the proposal from a native when you asked her for it. So drop it.

[Mallorea and Riva]

Easily the weirdest flex of the thread so far. Counting this as a liberation, thinking the numbers point is somehow impressive... yikes.

The reason people keep hammering Kuriko on the native point is because Kuriko keeps trying to avoid answering the question.

No, you keep hammering Kuriko because you all enjoy ganging up on her.

The natives gave me a carte blanche to do whatever it took to protect Asia, I gave Kuri the nod to post this when it seemed necessary and she got explicit support for the proposal from a native when you asked her for it. So drop it.

Is this a Numero puppet? I've been told it's a Numero puppet, which is incredibly bizarre since it's Numero who previously said:

If your questions showed that you had the ability to understand that myself and Kuriko are different people from different organisations then you might not have needed to ask a million times and could have worked out the answer for yourself. I don't speak for Kuriko, but my conversations with natives in this region go back weeks.

I don't know why Numero wouldn't clarify then and there that natives had given carte blanche approval to do whatever, with such approval having been passed along to Kuriko.

[Lord Dominator]

Oh hey look, a full 36 defenders/liberators crossed and jumping (and that made it in) on a Monday minor...

A significant number of which were were from TITO, of course.

Point being what precisely?

The dogpile from TBH on Kuriko is cute, but the faux outrage that we don't happen to take known Crashers at their word when they say they aren't going to destroy a region they're actively in the process of destroying isn't. If anyone is in any doubt that TBH were engaging in regional destruction they should go take a look at the activity page on Asia and filter it to ejections.

That we evidently have different definitions of region destruction is already covered. That, and the dogpile on Kuriko here is really because they and Numero were the only ones here.

Also remarkably convenient how all the regional officers withdrew or resigned World Assembly status apart from the one who had the influence to impose a password and would have taken the delegacy if we hadn't moved in.

Souls there would have enough influence to place a password, yes. If he ejected another half of the region. Really, he just likes making defenders or natives remove him.

That same nation posted the 'withdraw' order, so you can't pretend that was some accident.

Posted 1/5 withdraw orders, after the main ones by tg to TBH main, pings to TBH Discord, tg to Asia, and the various notifications to those invited. You can tell because a decent portion of the piler force had already left by the time he edited the WFE.