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by Questarian New Yorkshire » Wed Apr 22, 2020 3:37 am
by The Huskar Social Union » Wed Apr 22, 2020 3:41 am
by The Alma Mater » Wed Apr 22, 2020 3:44 am
Albrenia wrote:As stupid as the whole of Brexit is, it does seem quite clear people voted to get it over and done with.
by Albrenia » Wed Apr 22, 2020 3:55 am
The Alma Mater wrote:Albrenia wrote:As stupid as the whole of Brexit is, it does seem quite clear people voted to get it over and done with.
Was it stupid ? Currently the southern European countries are demanding that the other EU members "show solidarity" and give them many billions of aid without any strings or conditions attached. Britain safely got away from that.
by Greater vakolicci haven » Wed Apr 22, 2020 3:57 am
Albrenia wrote:The Alma Mater wrote:
Was it stupid ? Currently the southern European countries are demanding that the other EU members "show solidarity" and give them many billions of aid without any strings or conditions attached. Britain safely got away from that.
From my perspective it was stupid, yeah. Although obviously, a majority of people in the UK disagreed at least enough to find getting it done more tolerable than the process continuing.
I'd go into more detail but I'm fairly sure everyone here (including me) is sick of talking about Brexit.
by Dumb Ideologies » Wed Apr 22, 2020 4:04 am
by Questarian New Yorkshire » Wed Apr 22, 2020 4:07 am
Basically agree.Dumb Ideologies wrote:The EU should have been a minimalist collective security organisation focused solely on national disarmament and a collective foreign policy to diminish the chance of future war among members.
This ever closer union bullshit and free trade/movement stuff is based on notions of capitalist peace where everyone will get along if you tie their economies together close enough. In the process it has become an elitist organisation and another tool of big business and banks, and as such the monetary policy keeps the poorer countries in debt and underdeveloped rather than raising them up, which in turn is increasingly undermining these supposedly sacred notions of European unity.
It flubbed the corona response, it fails to defend its borders either from "refugees" or pay its way militarily in supporting the Eastern Europeans. It's pretty unreformable, it might be best if it falls so we can start again.
Im not sure why anyone would still be fanatic about staying in. Maybe leaving isn't the best economic situation in current year but Europe is going to tank too so I'm not sure how much difference it makes.
by Kragholm Free States » Wed Apr 22, 2020 4:16 am
Dumb Ideologies wrote:The EU should have been a minimalist collective security organisation
Dumb Ideologies wrote:focused solely on national disarmament and a collective foreign policy to diminish the chance of future war among members.
by Questarian New Yorkshire » Wed Apr 22, 2020 4:17 am
I think DI meant the nations should reduce their own militaries and contribute to a broader European defence forces though (cos I saw them say that in another thread)Kragholm Free States wrote:God no, it should have focused on presenting a common front and an alliance of interests against the malign influence of the US, China, and Russia. The last thing it should do is render Europe powerless.
by Dumb Ideologies » Wed Apr 22, 2020 4:20 am
Questarian New Yorkshire wrote:I think DI meant the nations should reduce their own militaries and contribute to a broader European defence forces though (cos I saw them say that in another thread)Kragholm Free States wrote:God no, it should have focused on presenting a common front and an alliance of interests against the malign influence of the US, China, and Russia. The last thing it should do is render Europe powerless.
by Kragholm Free States » Wed Apr 22, 2020 4:21 am
Questarian New Yorkshire wrote:I think DI meant the nations should reduce their own militaries and contribute to a broader European defence forces though (cos I saw them say that in another thread)Kragholm Free States wrote:God no, it should have focused on presenting a common front and an alliance of interests against the malign influence of the US, China, and Russia. The last thing it should do is render Europe powerless.
by Questarian New Yorkshire » Wed Apr 22, 2020 4:24 am
by Jack Thomas Lang » Wed Apr 22, 2020 4:59 am
Dumb Ideologies wrote:This ever closer union bullshit and free trade/movement stuff is based on notions of capitalist peace where everyone will get along if you tie their economies together close enough.
by Ifreann » Wed Apr 22, 2020 5:35 am
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:Vassenor wrote:And its becoming clearer that the government refused the offer of ventilators from the EU entirely for political reasons.
Second source.
Brexit is more important than breathing, after all.
It would be the logical decision for a government 'getting Brexit done' as Cummings wanted them to say. Presumably most people who voted for Brexit would support them doing that, even at the cost UK lives. Though not being a Brexit supporter I disagree with them.
Signs are that they are sticking to the Brexit transition deadline of December 31, even though very little is likely being done on negotiating with the EU while the government struggles with the Coronavirus issue.
I dread to think what a is going to happen to our already weakened economy if we end up with a no deal Brexit. It is absolutely stupid.
by The New California Republic » Wed Apr 22, 2020 8:11 am
by Celritannia » Wed Apr 22, 2020 8:15 am
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by The Huskar Social Union » Wed Apr 22, 2020 9:07 am
Celritannia wrote:The other good things about the EU were the joint scientific and space programmes, and EU development funding, like my town got to help keep the library, arts groups, and community centres open.
I wasn't one for the capitalist side, and would like to see it improved.
But it still more logical to be apart of the EU.
by Celritannia » Wed Apr 22, 2020 9:48 am
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Celritannia wrote:The other good things about the EU were the joint scientific and space programmes, and EU development funding, like my town got to help keep the library, arts groups, and community centres open.
I wasn't one for the capitalist side, and would like to see it improved.
But it still more logical to be apart of the EU.
EU funding helped a lot with my home: infrastructure projects, jobs, cross community work, research programs, mobility programs etc and i wanted to see that continue. As far as i am concerned its been nothing but a benefit for NI.
Questarian New Yorkshire wrote:Multinational armies do work and can be very effective (see: the British Indian Army) but they need a common core of officers and they need to be able to reliably source highly multilingual personnel (especially in combat service support.)
That was easy for the British Indian Army. And the British Indian Army was pretty good, for what it was. Its also the biggest volunteer army in history.
The problem would be intensified for Europe. For a start, it's not clear what the lingua franca would be. Secondly, the individual militaries have a lot of heritage and history, especially British and French, that they will not be willing to throw away.
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by Greed and Death » Wed Apr 22, 2020 9:55 am
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Celritannia wrote:The other good things about the EU were the joint scientific and space programmes, and EU development funding, like my town got to help keep the library, arts groups, and community centres open.
I wasn't one for the capitalist side, and would like to see it improved.
But it still more logical to be apart of the EU.
EU funding helped a lot with my home: infrastructure projects, jobs, cross community work, research programs, mobility programs etc and i wanted to see that continue. As far as i am concerned its been nothing but a benefit for NI.
by An Alan Smithee Nation » Wed Apr 22, 2020 10:04 am
Greed and Death wrote:The Huskar Social Union wrote:EU funding helped a lot with my home: infrastructure projects, jobs, cross community work, research programs, mobility programs etc and i wanted to see that continue. As far as i am concerned its been nothing but a benefit for NI.
Don't worry I am sure Boris will get all of that EU funding without having to be in the EU or contribute to it.
by Salandriagado » Wed Apr 22, 2020 10:25 am
An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:Vassenor wrote:And its becoming clearer that the government refused the offer of ventilators from the EU entirely for political reasons.
Second source.
Brexit is more important than breathing, after all.
It would be the logical decision for a government 'getting Brexit done' as Cummings wanted them to say. Presumably most people who voted for Brexit would support them doing that, even at the cost UK lives. Though not being a Brexit supporter I disagree with them.
Signs are that they are sticking to the Brexit transition deadline of December 31, even though very little is likely being done on negotiating with the EU while the government struggles with the Coronavirus issue.
I dread to think what a is going to happen to our already weakened economy if we end up with a no deal Brexit. It is absolutely stupid.
by The Huskar Social Union » Wed Apr 22, 2020 10:50 am
by Vassenor » Wed Apr 22, 2020 10:52 am
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