Heteroromantic asexuals exist. Or did you think asexuals don't value romantic love and intimacy?
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by Bromagia » Sun Apr 12, 2020 3:35 pm
by Carvio Saikesenassia » Sun Apr 12, 2020 3:42 pm
by Cisairse » Sun Apr 12, 2020 3:46 pm
by Carvio Saikesenassia » Sun Apr 12, 2020 3:51 pm
by Necroghastia » Sun Apr 12, 2020 4:02 pm
Carvio Saikesenassia wrote:Cisairse wrote:
You might as well quote an NS post and say it's a source.
more like several (sampling matters) and given the context of the question which is some 6 replies behind this i dont see how linking a community with a compilation of yikes-worthy takes is a bad source. biased for sure but we're not talking about how many % of trans people are like that anyway
by Carvio Saikesenassia » Sun Apr 12, 2020 4:03 pm
Necroghastia wrote:Carvio Saikesenassia wrote:more like several (sampling matters) and given the context of the question which is some 6 replies behind this i dont see how linking a community with a compilation of yikes-worthy takes is a bad source. biased for sure but we're not talking about how many % of trans people are like that anyway
A community that is dedicated to the assertion that being trans is "just a fetish" is not a place I'd call trustworthy. I'd expect the same behavior from them as the alt-right trolls that attempt to make people think there is support in the gay community for pedophiles, i.e. prone to making shit up.
by Purple Rats » Sun Apr 12, 2020 4:09 pm
by Ifreann » Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:45 pm
Cisairse wrote:Crockerland wrote:
http://webstersdictionary1828.com/Dictionary/genderGEN'DER, noun [Latin genus, from geno, gigno; Gr.to beget, or to be born; Eng. kind. Gr. a woman, a wife; Sans. gena, a wife, and genaga, a father. We have begin from the same root. See Begin and Can.]
1. Properly, kind; sort.
2. A sex, male or female.
Someone who normally experiences no attraction whatsoever, but does after forming a very close bond with a specific person? Hmmm... I guess I would call them "someone who normally experiences no attraction whatsoever, but does after forming a very close bond with a specific person" and not pretend it's somehow equivalent to a sexual orientation.
You just cited a dictionary from 1828 m8
by Stanmenistan » Mon Apr 13, 2020 5:33 am
Ifreann wrote:Stanmenistan wrote:Cisgender has its origin in the Latin-derived prefix cis-, meaning "on this side of"
You can use the term "non-trans" or "Binary" if you prefer.
I think a better term to describe both Transgenders and NBs would be Birth Gender Variant people. It's a bit of a mouthful, but it describes both groups fairly in my eyes.
The antonym of cis- is trans-. Coincidence? Or does being transgender not have anything to do with transitioning?
by Ifreann » Mon Apr 13, 2020 9:48 am
Stanmenistan wrote:Ifreann wrote:The antonym of cis- is trans-. Coincidence? Or does being transgender not have anything to do with transitioning?
Again, I know what it means in Rome. To most people in the modern world, the trans in transgender means transitioning from one (primary) gender to the other (male to female or female to male i.e. Transitioning), not feeling like a mix of the two or other descriptions of NB identities.
If Stonewall, the UK's leading LGBTQ+ charity, says not all NB people see themselves as Trans, I think I believe them. I'm not saying they don't overlap in some cases, but AFAIK, most NB people don't have surgery or use hormone therapy like Transgenders do. I think the term Birth Gender Divergent (or just Gender Divergent) would be a better description for both Transgenders and NBs.
by Purple Rats » Mon Apr 13, 2020 12:31 pm
Stanmenistan wrote:
If Stonewall, the UK's leading LGBTQ+ charity, says not all NB people see themselves as Trans, I think I believe them. I'm not saying they don't overlap in some cases, but AFAIK, most NB people don't have surgery or use hormone therapy like Transgenders do. I think the term Birth Gender Divergent (or just Gender Divergent) would be a better description for both Transgenders and NBs.
Just speaking about the title, Transsexual is kind of an archaic term, largely replaced by Transgender. Probably because the sexual in Transsexual means biological sex, whereas in Homosexual or Bisexual it means attracted to members of the same sex or both sexes respectively. Since Trans and LGB communities often worked together, this created a lot of confusion for outsiders.
by Purple Rats » Mon Apr 13, 2020 12:34 pm
Ifreann wrote:If we need new terminology I expect trans people will let us know what they'd prefer.
by Agarntrop » Mon Apr 13, 2020 1:07 pm
Purple Rats wrote:Stanmenistan wrote:
If Stonewall, the UK's leading LGBTQ+ charity, says not all NB people see themselves as Trans, I think I believe them. I'm not saying they don't overlap in some cases, but AFAIK, most NB people don't have surgery or use hormone therapy like Transgenders do. I think the term Birth Gender Divergent (or just Gender Divergent) would be a better description for both Transgenders and NBs.
Just speaking about the title, Transsexual is kind of an archaic term, largely replaced by Transgender. Probably because the sexual in Transsexual means biological sex, whereas in Homosexual or Bisexual it means attracted to members of the same sex or both sexes respectively. Since Trans and LGB communities often worked together, this created a lot of confusion for outsiders.
Duuuuuuuude. Really? BIRTH GENDER? Look. Nobinaries don't think they are trans, yes, you are right about that. But there is a reason why we say "assigned male / female". If you say "birth gender" then it means that they were born in one gender, changed it.
If you say "assigned gender", then it means doctor decided how to call them, but they were still who they are.
People who have surgery does not change their gender, because your genitals does not dictate your gender, they just change their body.
Same way are nonbinaries also not divergent to their "birth gender".
by Purple Rats » Mon Apr 13, 2020 1:22 pm
by The Emerald Legion » Mon Apr 13, 2020 2:39 pm
by Heloin » Mon Apr 13, 2020 2:47 pm
The Emerald Legion wrote:Kannap wrote:
lol and when they finish whatever work they've got to finish with trans people and need to keep their momentum going and set sights on a new target, who're they going to set their sights on?
I find it hilarious that now it's the progressives re-using the old slippery slope argument to avoid doing things. You really have become the conservatives of yesteryear.
by Kannap » Mon Apr 13, 2020 2:54 pm
The Emerald Legion wrote:Kannap wrote:
lol and when they finish whatever work they've got to finish with trans people and need to keep their momentum going and set sights on a new target, who're they going to set their sights on?
I find it hilarious that now it's the progressives re-using the old slippery slope argument to avoid doing things. You really have become the conservatives of yesteryear.
Luna Amore wrote:Please remember to attend the ritualistic burning of Kannap for heresy
by Cekoviu » Mon Apr 13, 2020 7:41 pm
Stanmenistan wrote:Ifreann wrote:The antonym of cis- is trans-. Coincidence? Or does being transgender not have anything to do with transitioning?
Again, I know what it means in Rome. To most people in the modern world, the trans in transgender means transitioning from one (primary) gender to the other (male to female or female to male i.e. Transitioning), not feeling like a mix of the two or other descriptions of NB identities.
by Stanmenistan » Tue Apr 14, 2020 1:02 am
Cekoviu wrote:Stanmenistan wrote:Again, I know what it means in Rome. To most people in the modern world, the trans in transgender means transitioning from one (primary) gender to the other (male to female or female to male i.e. Transitioning), not feeling like a mix of the two or other descriptions of NB identities.
I'm pretty sure that's what you think and you're just projecting it onto society as a whole to make it seem like your argument has more weight.
Ifreann wrote:Stanmenistan wrote:Again, I know what it means in Rome. To most people in the modern world, the trans in transgender means transitioning from one (primary) gender to the other (male to female or female to male i.e. Transitioning), not feeling like a mix of the two or other descriptions of NB identities.
I can't speak to "most people" and what they may or may not think, but I've never thought that that's what the word meant.
by Stanmenistan » Tue Apr 14, 2020 1:05 am
Purple Rats wrote:Stanmenistan wrote:
If Stonewall, the UK's leading LGBTQ+ charity, says not all NB people see themselves as Trans, I think I believe them. I'm not saying they don't overlap in some cases, but AFAIK, most NB people don't have surgery or use hormone therapy like Transgenders do. I think the term Birth Gender Divergent (or just Gender Divergent) would be a better description for both Transgenders and NBs.
Just speaking about the title, Transsexual is kind of an archaic term, largely replaced by Transgender. Probably because the sexual in Transsexual means biological sex, whereas in Homosexual or Bisexual it means attracted to members of the same sex or both sexes respectively. Since Trans and LGB communities often worked together, this created a lot of confusion for outsiders.
Duuuuuuuude. Really? BIRTH GENDER? Look. Nonbinaries don't think they are trans, yes, you are right about that. But there is a reason why we say "assigned male / female". If you say "birth gender" then it means that they were born in one gender, changed it.
If you say "assigned gender", then it means doctor decided how to call them, but they were still who they are.
People who have surgery does not change their gender, because your genitals does not dictate your gender, they just change their body.
Same way are nonbinaries also not divergent to their "birth gender".
If we need new terminology I expect trans people will let us know what they'd prefer.
by Kannap » Tue Apr 14, 2020 2:56 am
Luna Amore wrote:Please remember to attend the ritualistic burning of Kannap for heresy
by Stanmenistan » Tue Apr 14, 2020 3:10 am
by Crockerland » Tue Apr 14, 2020 7:12 am
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Necroghastia wrote:You keep saying this, but what do you have to back it up?
GLAAD released a really good poll on the topic last year comparing numbers from 2016 to 2018. The % of young people who view themselves as allies to the LGBT+ movement has fallen from 63% to 45%, and amongst young men in particular the number has plummeted from 62% to 35%.
by Purple Rats » Tue Apr 14, 2020 7:19 am
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