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by Gallia- » Tue Apr 07, 2020 7:46 am
by Kedri » Tue Apr 07, 2020 7:48 am
Kassaran wrote:Kedri wrote:I'm trying to flesh out the Kedrian military some more. Nothing's set in stone yet, but I'm kicking around a few ideas, and want to see what y'all think. These might be dumb questions.
Here are the proposed branches of the Kedrian Defense Force:
-Army
-Air Force
-Navy/Coast Guard
-Privateers
I'm unsure whether I need both a navy and a coast guard. Since the Kedrian military is solely concerned with national defense and has no plans to actually invade other countries, I'm wondering if it could get by with just a coast guard?
The privateers are a special branch that specialize in privateering (obviously), but I don't know how profitable that would be in war or if it would provoke the ire of other countries.
I didn't list them, but there's also militias that serve as an emergency force in case the military lacks enough people, funding or is unprepared.
Drop the Air Force and reassimilate it into the Army as Army Aviation. Also, turn your Army into a Homeguard or something, because they're not really going anywhere, you realistically don't need them if Self-defense is what you want. Navy/Coast Guard can be gutted too, you'd probably have a handful of token submarines you keep on hand for training and military exercises, but the majority of your prowess would probably be a discount cruiser from a nation desperately looking to get rid of old inventory. You don't need, nor should you use privateers. That's how you get invaded, flat out. If you're countering piracy, that's what your coast guard is for.Ideal Britain wrote:Mostly good.
You can't get by on just a coast guard though because you need a Navy to deal with pirates.
Untrue. A Coast Guard can entirely usurp the navy as you don't need to project power, but rather just defend territorial waters from pirates.
by Gallia- » Tue Apr 07, 2020 7:50 am
by Kassaran » Tue Apr 07, 2020 7:55 am
Kedri wrote:I should go into a bit more detail. The country is archipelago, so it obviously relies on the sea, which is why I emphasize the navy. The privateers would only be used during war.
Zarkenis Ultima wrote:Tristan noticed footsteps behind him and looked there, only to see Eric approaching and then pointing his sword at the girl. He just blinked a few times at this before speaking.
"Put that down, Mr. Eric." He said. "She's obviously not a chicken."
by Gallia- » Tue Apr 07, 2020 7:58 am
by Kassaran » Tue Apr 07, 2020 8:02 am
Gallia- wrote:"Seaguard" certainly sounds like it has a powerful mightiness.
Zarkenis Ultima wrote:Tristan noticed footsteps behind him and looked there, only to see Eric approaching and then pointing his sword at the girl. He just blinked a few times at this before speaking.
"Put that down, Mr. Eric." He said. "She's obviously not a chicken."
by Ideal Britain » Tue Apr 07, 2020 8:47 am
by Gallia- » Tue Apr 07, 2020 8:52 am
by Ideal Britain » Tue Apr 07, 2020 8:59 am
Gallia- wrote:If you're using privateers instead of your navy then you don't have a navy.
Seizing ships is fine but that's a job for a coast guard or something, really, and only tiny countries with no ability to fight the people they're attacking actually do it: Somalia, Iran, Khmer Rouge, and North Korea come to mind.
Any merchant attacks are secondary to a navy's job of actually beating the other navy.
by Kedri » Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:01 am
by Kassaran » Tue Apr 07, 2020 10:24 am
Ideal Britain wrote:Gallia- wrote:If you're using privateers instead of your navy then you don't have a navy.
Seizing ships is fine but that's a job for a coast guard or something, really, and only tiny countries with no ability to fight the people they're attacking actually do it: Somalia, Iran, Khmer Rouge, and North Korea come to mind.
Any merchant attacks are secondary to a navy's job of actually beating the other navy.
In Saranidia privateers are mostly used to disrupt arms shipments or free slaves.
Kedri wrote:Here's my idea, then.
The navy is the primary fighting force in Kedri and is also involved in policing and search and rescues. The other branch is the coast guard, which is actually amphibious, as members of it are trained to fight on both land and coastal waters.
Zarkenis Ultima wrote:Tristan noticed footsteps behind him and looked there, only to see Eric approaching and then pointing his sword at the girl. He just blinked a few times at this before speaking.
"Put that down, Mr. Eric." He said. "She's obviously not a chicken."
by The Dolphin Isles » Tue Apr 07, 2020 11:14 am
by New Vihenia » Tue Apr 07, 2020 11:18 am
by The Dolphin Isles » Tue Apr 07, 2020 11:31 am
by Ideal Britain » Tue Apr 07, 2020 11:47 am
by Immoren » Tue Apr 07, 2020 11:59 am
discoursedrome wrote:everyone knows that quote, "I know not what weapons World War Three will be fought, but World War Four will be fought with sticks and stones," but in a way it's optimistic and inspiring because it suggests that even after destroying civilization and returning to the stone age we'll still be sufficiently globalized and bellicose to have another world war right then and there
by New Vihenia » Tue Apr 07, 2020 12:50 pm
by Gallia- » Tue Apr 07, 2020 2:00 pm
by Questarian New Yorkshire » Tue Apr 07, 2020 2:09 pm
New Vihenia wrote:Surface to Air Missile system could be a good subject for a "full automation". One early example i know was Crotale where Human only need to press the button and perhaps designate target. Next is Patriot then Tor-M1 Short Range SAM. The only problem is that in fully automated mode they may not necessarily be smart enough to know what they are hitting.
by New Vihenia » Tue Apr 07, 2020 11:41 pm
Questarian New Yorkshire wrote:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655
by Shanghai industrial complex » Wed Apr 08, 2020 1:55 am
Ideal Britain wrote:What military jobs would be replaced by robots in 2047? What about in 2052?
Here's what I have so far from websites about automation (I have to use parallels from civilian life because they don't have military jobs there):
Military police soldiers=still a job done by humans
Commissioned officers = still a job for humans
Doctors/dentists=still a job for humans
Field Medics= Still done by humans
Pilots= in my nations still humans due to military ethics,
In other nations probably robots
Logistics soldiers=largely robots
Electricians=human job
Intelligence officers=human job
Chaplains=human job
But what about jobs unique to the military or at least extremely unusual in civilian life: will infantrymen be replaced by infantry robots?
What about artillery?
by Shanghai industrial complex » Wed Apr 08, 2020 2:01 am
New Vihenia wrote:Questarian New Yorkshire wrote:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655
Bad GUI. Tho an even weirder occurrence happens very recently. Iranian accidentally shot down passanger plane, with supposedly Tor system which actually deployed right inside the airport. It should have connection to tower all the times, suspects ranged from poor tired crew, poor C4I etc.
by New Vihenia » Wed Apr 08, 2020 2:09 am
Shanghai industrial complex wrote:
I think it's because their IFF system is jammed
by Shanghai industrial complex » Wed Apr 08, 2020 2:11 am
Gallia- wrote:Yes. Things like Patriot and Aegis already have a full automatic mode. For Aegis, the operator designates a sector, sets parameters for target engagement (velocity, altitude, etc. gates), and the computer launches automatically if something shows up that fits the parameters appears. For Patriot, there is a "to be engaged queue" which is a list of targets currently visible to the MPQ and it slowly goes down the list trying to kill everything in the queue provided it can fire on the target. The manual mode is that the operator uses a joystick to put the crosshairs over a target, selects it, and pushes a button labeled "Engage" which puts the target in the TBQ, then the computer tries to kill everything in the TBQ.
The RAF lost a Tornado IDS, the US Army lost a UH-60, and a the USN lost an F-18 to Patriot's full auto mode. AFAIK Aegis has never seen combat with the Special-AUTO mode.
AFAIK the Patriot's engagement scheme (i.e. operator designates, system shoots) and black box of algorithms is derived from Safeguard.
by Shanghai industrial complex » Wed Apr 08, 2020 2:20 am
New Vihenia wrote:Shanghai industrial complex wrote:
I think it's because their IFF system is jammed
It's actually quite hard to jam IFF, due to nature of their low gain antenna. The jammer must also be within the vicinity of the system.
I have my own theory but it's basically a cascading factor. It begin from the fear of US attacks. the net are busy, everyone is tense. Fear of US cyber attacks. The net is perhaps not connected to the local Tor battery in the area, thus requires more attention from crews. It's a late night, the crew which probably not shifted got tired, misjudged the contact he has on the screen and conduct firing.
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