Deacarsia wrote:The United Nations is a joke. It should be dismantled.
It's not, people just expect it to function as something it was never meant to function as.
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by United Muscovite Nations » Sun Apr 05, 2020 9:03 am
Deacarsia wrote:The United Nations is a joke. It should be dismantled.
by Ifreann » Sun Apr 05, 2020 9:08 am
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:I don't recall the Chinese government being represented in the UN at all.
Just some Maoist insurgents that people treat like legitimate world leaders for some reason.
by -Astoria- » Sun Apr 05, 2020 9:09 am
LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:So why not abolish the UN; and in turn, its sub-branch of the WHO; and replace them with a new organization beholden to everyone but the Chinese government, such that it could represent the world's interests more, and the Chinese government's interests less?
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by United Muscovite Nations » Sun Apr 05, 2020 9:10 am
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:I don't recall the Chinese government being represented in the UN at all.
Just some Maoist insurgents that people treat like legitimate world leaders for some reason.
by Novus America » Sun Apr 05, 2020 9:11 am
by -Astoria- » Sun Apr 05, 2020 9:11 am
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Wtf makes some Kuomintang rebels more legitimate than CCP rebels?
by United Muscovite Nations » Sun Apr 05, 2020 9:12 am
Novus America wrote:United Muscovite Nations wrote:It's not, people just expect it to function as something it was never meant to function as.
But again what it is now is something very different than what is was intended to be. And it really does not do much. Certainly it does not stop members from fighting wars against other members or violating their sovereignty.
by United Muscovite Nations » Sun Apr 05, 2020 9:13 am
by -Astoria- » Sun Apr 05, 2020 9:16 am
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Thank you for proving my point that the ROC-aboos are delusional.
by United Muscovite Nations » Sun Apr 05, 2020 9:17 am
by Novus America » Sun Apr 05, 2020 9:17 am
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Novus America wrote:
But again what it is now is something very different than what is was intended to be. And it really does not do much. Certainly it does not stop members from fighting wars against other members or violating their sovereignty.
It does however provide a forum to hammer out many disputes. Interstate violence is much lower now than it was at the time it was founded, it's not a total failure. But what people expect it to be is a sort of world parliament, and that's in violation of every principle of international law.
by Trollzyn the Infinite » Sun Apr 05, 2020 9:18 am
by United Muscovite Nations » Sun Apr 05, 2020 9:18 am
by Trollzyn the Infinite » Sun Apr 05, 2020 9:28 am
by United Muscovite Nations » Sun Apr 05, 2020 9:32 am
by North German Realm » Sun Apr 05, 2020 9:36 am
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
It admittedly wasn't the most stable incarnation of a Chinese state, but one could easily argue that China never really has been stable.
The ROC's governance of China was basically a warring states period. Not an incarnation of the Chinese state.
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by United Muscovite Nations » Sun Apr 05, 2020 9:36 am
by Novus America » Sun Apr 05, 2020 9:38 am
by Christian Confederation » Sun Apr 05, 2020 9:38 am
Christian Confederation wrote:Novus America wrote:
Given the many UN members have fought many wars with many other members if the goal is peace the UN is not getting that.
And the WHO is NOT taking the lead in the Coronavirus case, it is largely marginalized with each country pursuing its own response, often and ignoring the WHO’s advice which changes anyways.
Remember the WHO said “no travel bans” initially, only to be ignored and once the PRC supported travel bans it did too. The WHO is not even run by a real doctor, but some corrupt politician from a regime not surprisingly very close to the PRC.
The WHO has been often ignored and widely criticized, and they deserve that.
But I do agree the question is in the title is over simple. Obviously we need to strengthen some alternatives to the UN that exclude hostile regimes, but the UN would presumably still exist as it does.
Just we need alternatives that work better as well, and those by necessity could not try to shoehorn completely incompatible states into the same box, or they would just end up the same place as the UN.
WHO is a joke. It can only work if ran by a board of great doctors. The CDC, EU, Australia, UK, Canada, And Japan.
A 11 member board with the CDC and European equivalent having permanent seats. 1 Chairman and 10 members, Chairman breaks any ties and acts as spokesperson, chairman and board members server staggered 8 year terms with the chairman serving 6 years with possibility to be reelected.
by North German Realm » Sun Apr 05, 2020 9:39 am
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by Trollzyn the Infinite » Sun Apr 05, 2020 9:39 am
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
It admittedly wasn't the most stable incarnation of a Chinese state, but one could easily argue that China never really has been stable.
The ROC's governance of China was basically a warring states period. Not an incarnation of the Chinese state.
by United Muscovite Nations » Sun Apr 05, 2020 9:40 am
by United Muscovite Nations » Sun Apr 05, 2020 9:40 am
by Trollzyn the Infinite » Sun Apr 05, 2020 9:42 am
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