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by Sao Nova Europa » Thu Mar 26, 2020 2:40 pm
by Alt Div Admin » Thu Mar 26, 2020 3:23 pm
by Tracian Empire » Thu Mar 26, 2020 3:25 pm
Pyrghium wrote:Tracian Empire wrote:That would be messing with too many things for a simple divergence. You'd be potentially messing with the history of Italy and the Iberian Peninsula and Africa, and even that of Germany, since those tribes had to go somewhere.
Fair point. What if I said screw Gaul, and instead tried the same thing, but in Hispania and North Africa. Would that be more plausible?
by Axis Asteroid » Thu Mar 26, 2020 3:54 pm
Tracian Empire wrote:Pyrghium wrote:Fair point. What if I said screw Gaul, and instead tried the same thing, but in Hispania and North Africa. Would that be more plausible?
From a certain perspective, yes. However, at the same time, you're still completely ignoring the other core issues of your concept that I mentioned. You can't just stick the name of Roman Empire, the title of Emperor and the Senate over such a state and call it a day, and at the same time, none of the ideas that you came up with is unique enough to warrant the existence of a third Roman player. I personally do believe that you should be trying to find a different concept.
by Krugmar » Thu Mar 26, 2020 6:47 pm
by Of Leben » Thu Mar 26, 2020 6:58 pm
by The Hobbesian Metaphysician » Thu Mar 26, 2020 7:21 pm
Krugmar wrote:I will be dropping India for this. Anybody can feel free to use what little I had developed for my India app should they wish.Reservation
Nation Name: United Kingdom of Spain and Mexico
Territory: Spain, Spanish Morocco, Spanish Sahara, Dominican Republic, Cuba, Mexico, Central America
#AltDiv (do not delete this, it's for keeping track of the apps)
*Note: Reservations will last for 48 hours. The OP board reserves the right to be subjective in regards to accepting and removing reservations.
Of Leben wrote:Full Nation Name : Imperio Mexicano (Mexican Empire)
Majority/Official Culture : Mexican
Territorial Core : Mexico proper. Central America excluding Panama, Hispaniola, what remains open of Southwestern USA, Galapagos Island, Easter Island.
Territorial Claim : Cuba, Southwestern U.S (Colorado, Utah, Nevada, California, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas)
Capital City : Mexico City
Population: 43,000,000
Government Type : Absolutist Monarchy
Government Ideology/Policies : Reactionary Catholic State
Government Focus: Economic stability, Order, Revanchism.
Head of State: Salvador de Iturbide
Head of Government : Salvador de Iturbide
Government Description:
Reactionary monarchist regime, power centered on the monarch. The country is divided into divisiones (divisions) each governed by a local governor who is selected based on loyalty to the state and his competence. Various kinds of administrative arrangements at the local and semi-regional level. The government is authoritarian and maintains a secret police (officially unofficially part of the government- Los Zetas) censorship, and restricts unapproved political organizations.
Majority/State Religion : Roman Catholicism
Religious Description : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church
Economic Ideologies: State capitalism
Major Production: Tropical fruit, beef products, minerals, steel, cement, textiles.
Economic Description: The state oversees and regulates the economy according to the nations needs at the time. Northern Mexico has high concentrations of mineral resources and is largely centered around cattle ranching, agriculture, and mining. Central Mexico is home to most of the nations industry and factories and has high levels of economic and infrastructure development. Southern Mexico and Central America have mixed levels of development and are largely dominated by the tropical fruit industry, although fishing and shipbuilding are also important here. Hispaniola grows sugarcane and has a small fishing industry. The nation has a growing petroleum industry, which is currently under the direction of the state.
The government maintains influence over the private sector via guilds which are controlled by a cabal of government and industrial magnates who act as collaborators who together ensure that economic control is kept in the hands of the government. The nations vital resources are owned by the state.
Development: Semi-Industrialized.
Development Description : The country has unequal levels of development, with much of the countries industrial strength centered in Central Mexico. The entire country is however, for the most part connected by railroads and telegraph lines. Hispanola has railroads and ferry services.
Army Description:
Army Strength: 2,200,000 total, 540,000 standing army (20 infantry divisions, 14 cavalry divisions and non-combat personnel), 1,460,000 army reserves (73 infantry divisions and non combat personnel ), 200,000 gendarmes.
The Imperial Mexican Army is responsible for both the protection of the empire and the projection of its power abroad. Due to its militaristic neighbors Mexico has spent a great deal of effort maintaining and fielding a fairly modern and large army. Due to the poor state of development near its frontier the army has been leading efforts to establish better infrastructure near the frontier albeit with slow progress. The Army is trained to rapidly mobilize its full power through the use and coordination of the nations railways and communications systems.
Army Weakness: The nation has a mediocre officer corps due to talented officers being viewed as potentially dangerous to the government. The country faces the possibility of a war on two far and separate fronts. It is unclear as to whether the nation will be able to sufficiently supply its large army with its current economic capacity.
Naval Description :
Ship prefix: ASM (Armada de su majestad)
Capital Ships:
4 Battleships
4 Monitors
3 Ironclads
16 Cruisers
26 Torpedo Ships
114 Auxiliary Vessels
The Imperial Mexican Navy (Armada Imperial Mexicana) is Primarily concerned with protecting its Pacific and Gulf Coasts from intrusions. To do so the nation has undergone an extensive modernization effort of its navy. As of 1906 the nation has been overseeing the retirement and scrapping of its obsolete ships and has recently completed the construction of 4 new battleships along with a protracted effort to create new steel cruisers. The nation aims to have a standard of naval parity with the navy of its strongest neighbor and the ability to rapidly engage any enemy on either ocean. To facilitate rapid deployment, the nations navy has coordinated with the nations industry and army to place strategic reserves of fuel, supplies, and munitions and additionally has been in the business of constructing a canal on the Isthmus of Tehuantepec.
Naval Weakness: Recently created modern navy, no significant experience with modern naval ships, has to protect two very long coastlines.
Further Military Description: [[OPTIONAL]]
National Goals : Maintain domestic stability, acquire territorial claims, become the dominant power in the region
National Issues : The country needs more economic development and the country suffers from social tension in some regions from ethnic and class conflict.
National Figures of Interest : N/A
National Ambition/Aspirations : N/A
History : [WIP]
RP Sample: viewtopic.php?f=5&t=374684&p=28426226#p28426226
#AltDiv (do not delete this, it's for keeping track of the apps)
by Nouveau Quebecois » Thu Mar 26, 2020 7:22 pm
The Hobbesian Metaphysician wrote:Krugmar wrote:I will be dropping India for this. Anybody can feel free to use what little I had developed for my India app should they wish.Reservation
Nation Name: United Kingdom of Spain and Mexico
Territory: Spain, Spanish Morocco, Spanish Sahara, Dominican Republic, Cuba, Mexico, Central America
#AltDiv (do not delete this, it's for keeping track of the apps)
*Note: Reservations will last for 48 hours. The OP board reserves the right to be subjective in regards to accepting and removing reservations.Of Leben wrote:Full Nation Name : Imperio Mexicano (Mexican Empire)
Majority/Official Culture : Mexican
Territorial Core : Mexico proper. Central America excluding Panama, Hispaniola, what remains open of Southwestern USA, Galapagos Island, Easter Island.
Territorial Claim : Cuba, Southwestern U.S (Colorado, Utah, Nevada, California, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas)
Capital City : Mexico City
Population: 43,000,000
Government Type : Absolutist Monarchy
Government Ideology/Policies : Reactionary Catholic State
Government Focus: Economic stability, Order, Revanchism.
Head of State: Salvador de Iturbide
Head of Government : Salvador de Iturbide
Government Description:
Reactionary monarchist regime, power centered on the monarch. The country is divided into divisiones (divisions) each governed by a local governor who is selected based on loyalty to the state and his competence. Various kinds of administrative arrangements at the local and semi-regional level. The government is authoritarian and maintains a secret police (officially unofficially part of the government- Los Zetas) censorship, and restricts unapproved political organizations.
Majority/State Religion : Roman Catholicism
Religious Description : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church
Economic Ideologies: State capitalism
Major Production: Tropical fruit, beef products, minerals, steel, cement, textiles.
Economic Description: The state oversees and regulates the economy according to the nations needs at the time. Northern Mexico has high concentrations of mineral resources and is largely centered around cattle ranching, agriculture, and mining. Central Mexico is home to most of the nations industry and factories and has high levels of economic and infrastructure development. Southern Mexico and Central America have mixed levels of development and are largely dominated by the tropical fruit industry, although fishing and shipbuilding are also important here. Hispaniola grows sugarcane and has a small fishing industry. The nation has a growing petroleum industry, which is currently under the direction of the state.
The government maintains influence over the private sector via guilds which are controlled by a cabal of government and industrial magnates who act as collaborators who together ensure that economic control is kept in the hands of the government. The nations vital resources are owned by the state.
Development: Semi-Industrialized.
Development Description : The country has unequal levels of development, with much of the countries industrial strength centered in Central Mexico. The entire country is however, for the most part connected by railroads and telegraph lines. Hispanola has railroads and ferry services.
Army Description:
Army Strength: 2,200,000 total, 540,000 standing army (20 infantry divisions, 14 cavalry divisions and non-combat personnel), 1,460,000 army reserves (73 infantry divisions and non combat personnel ), 200,000 gendarmes.
The Imperial Mexican Army is responsible for both the protection of the empire and the projection of its power abroad. Due to its militaristic neighbors Mexico has spent a great deal of effort maintaining and fielding a fairly modern and large army. Due to the poor state of development near its frontier the army has been leading efforts to establish better infrastructure near the frontier albeit with slow progress. The Army is trained to rapidly mobilize its full power through the use and coordination of the nations railways and communications systems.
Army Weakness: The nation has a mediocre officer corps due to talented officers being viewed as potentially dangerous to the government. The country faces the possibility of a war on two far and separate fronts. It is unclear as to whether the nation will be able to sufficiently supply its large army with its current economic capacity.
Naval Description :
Ship prefix: ASM (Armada de su majestad)
Capital Ships:
4 Battleships
4 Monitors
3 Ironclads
16 Cruisers
26 Torpedo Ships
114 Auxiliary Vessels
The Imperial Mexican Navy (Armada Imperial Mexicana) is Primarily concerned with protecting its Pacific and Gulf Coasts from intrusions. To do so the nation has undergone an extensive modernization effort of its navy. As of 1906 the nation has been overseeing the retirement and scrapping of its obsolete ships and has recently completed the construction of 4 new battleships along with a protracted effort to create new steel cruisers. The nation aims to have a standard of naval parity with the navy of its strongest neighbor and the ability to rapidly engage any enemy on either ocean. To facilitate rapid deployment, the nations navy has coordinated with the nations industry and army to place strategic reserves of fuel, supplies, and munitions and additionally has been in the business of constructing a canal on the Isthmus of Tehuantepec.
Naval Weakness: Recently created modern navy, no significant experience with modern naval ships, has to protect two very long coastlines.
Further Military Description: [[OPTIONAL]]
National Goals : Maintain domestic stability, acquire territorial claims, become the dominant power in the region
National Issues : The country needs more economic development and the country suffers from social tension in some regions from ethnic and class conflict.
National Figures of Interest : N/A
National Ambition/Aspirations : N/A
History : [WIP]
RP Sample: viewtopic.php?f=5&t=374684&p=28426226#p28426226
#AltDiv (do not delete this, it's for keeping track of the apps)
by The Palmetto » Thu Mar 26, 2020 7:22 pm
Plzen wrote:The Palmetto wrote:Just doing something simple: what might of been some countries which colonized South Africa? For whatever reason, I'm thinking Protestant Frenchies could be interesting, though I'll work with whatever makes sense.
If nothing else, Scandinavia plausibly might have. This would involve initial colonisation sometime in the early 1600s and independence probably in the mid-to-late 1700s. We weren't as heavy a settler nation as Britain was IRL, so it would mean a more prominent native African presence than South Africa IRL.
That's an option, if you wish.
"That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there."
by Plzen » Thu Mar 26, 2020 7:28 pm
The Palmetto wrote:We'd have to work things out, but I think that could be somewhat interesting. What was Scandinavian colonial policy, particularly administration, like? Did you at one point colonize most of the coast, or just the cape? And of course, how did I yeet myself out of the Scandinavian Empire?
by Axis Asteroid » Thu Mar 26, 2020 7:31 pm
The Hobbesian Metaphysician wrote:Krugmar wrote:I will be dropping India for this. Anybody can feel free to use what little I had developed for my India app should they wish.Reservation
Nation Name: United Kingdom of Spain and Mexico
Territory: Spain, Spanish Morocco, Spanish Sahara, Dominican Republic, Cuba, Mexico, Central America
#AltDiv (do not delete this, it's for keeping track of the apps)
*Note: Reservations will last for 48 hours. The OP board reserves the right to be subjective in regards to accepting and removing reservations.Of Leben wrote:
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by The Palmetto » Thu Mar 26, 2020 7:37 pm
Plzen wrote:The Palmetto wrote:We'd have to work things out, but I think that could be somewhat interesting. What was Scandinavian colonial policy, particularly administration, like? Did you at one point colonize most of the coast, or just the cape? And of course, how did I yeet myself out of the Scandinavian Empire?
Just the Cape, and it would very much have been a private, commercial venture with little government involvement (in the colonies, the Northern Oriental Company is basically the government).
The Scandinavian colonial empire did an uncontrolled collapse in the late-1700s, so if you had a reason to make independence stick it would not have been difficult to make it stick.
"That rifle on the wall of the labourer's cottage or working class flat is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there."
by Plzen » Thu Mar 26, 2020 8:10 pm
The Palmetto wrote:Ahh, so kind of like the Dutch East India Company, but fully privatized? One interesting idea I've got is that it's a Latin American-esque nation: while there's a few white people, the country's ruling class is more mixed race, but still tries to emulate and even spread the culture of their homeland. Do you think that could make sense?
Even though the VOC discouraged their employees from settling it, a few still did so, so it wouldn't have to be a settler colony to attract settlers. Enough settle (just a few thousand) to make the colony need proper governance, and though controlled by the company, this is when it starts to become more of a proper country. IRL one of the reasons Britain snagged it was because they wanted to secure the Indian Ocean: perhaps with Scandinavia's influence in the Indian ocean (southeast asia in particular) collapsing, the local elites preferred a policy of prioritizing expansion and trade in South Africa. Due to Sweden's empire basically collapsing, perhaps they cut off what little association they had with Scandinavia, and finally became a proper country?
by Novacom » Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:10 pm
by Tracian Empire » Fri Mar 27, 2020 4:40 pm
by Tracian Empire » Fri Mar 27, 2020 4:41 pm
by Tracian Empire » Fri Mar 27, 2020 4:43 pm
Name | Personnel | Subordinate units | Officer in command |
Théatra | ~ | ~multiple Sóma Stratoú | Domestikos |
Sóma Stratoú | ~160,000 | ~2 Themata | Protostrategos |
Stratevma | ~80,000 | ~2 Legeonai | Strategos |
Legeona | ~40,000 | ~2 Tagmata | Legatos |
Tagma | ~20,000 | ~2 Menarchiai | Katepánō |
Menarchia | ~9,600 | ~4 Tourmai | Menarches |
Tourma | ~2,400 | ~6 Droungoi | Tourmarches |
Droungos | ~400 | ~2 Banda | Droungarios |
Bandon | ~200 | ~2 Kentarchiai | Komes |
Kentarchia | ~100 | ~2 Pentekentarchiai | Kentarches |
Pentekentarchia | ~50 | ~5 Kontoubernia | Pentekontarches |
Kontoubernion | ~10 | N/A | Dekarchos |
by Danceria » Fri Mar 27, 2020 5:54 pm
by TENNOHEIKA BANZAI NIHON » Fri Mar 27, 2020 7:58 pm
by TENNOHEIKA BANZAI NIHON » Fri Mar 27, 2020 8:52 pm
by Nazeroth » Fri Mar 27, 2020 11:58 pm
by Tracian Empire » Sat Mar 28, 2020 12:18 am
Nazeroth wrote:Reservation
Nation Name: Grand Islamic Sultanate of Al-Maghrib
Territory: Algeria, Morocco, Western Sahara, Mauritania,Mali, Senegal, Canary islands
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by Nazeroth » Sat Mar 28, 2020 12:21 am
Tracian Empire wrote:Nazeroth wrote:Reservation
Nation Name: Grand Islamic Sultanate of Al-Maghrib
Territory: Algeria, Morocco, Western Sahara, Mauritania,Mali, Senegal, Canary islands
#AltDiv (do not delete this, it's for keeping track of the apps)
*Note: Reservations will last for 48 hours. The OP board reserves the right to be subjective in regards to accepting and removing reservations.
Reservation accepted!
Just keep in mind that Islam in general took a beating in this timeline later on, from the Romans and the Babylonians, so Mecca and Medina are under the control of the pagan Babylonians, which could be very interesting for an Islamic state.
by Tracian Empire » Sat Mar 28, 2020 1:22 am
Nazeroth wrote:Tracian Empire wrote:Reservation accepted!
Just keep in mind that Islam in general took a beating in this timeline later on, from the Romans and the Babylonians, so Mecca and Medina are under the control of the pagan Babylonians, which could be very interesting for an Islamic state.
yeah we are sort of like the Eastern Roman Empire of islam, we are distant from mecca but wish to have it again.
im hoping to be the islamic under dog
by Nazeroth » Sat Mar 28, 2020 1:33 am
Tracian Empire wrote:Nazeroth wrote:
yeah we are sort of like the Eastern Roman Empire of islam, we are distant from mecca but wish to have it again.
im hoping to be the islamic under dog
Sure, it sounds interesting!
Also, keep in mind that there might be no Caliph around, so you could potentially claim that title yourself.
As for your claim, sadly the updated map was not posted and it missed it while initially answering your claim, but Northern Morocco, Western Sahara (as the former Sahara Occidental) and the Canary Islands are reserved by Spain. The rest of your claim is alright though.
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