There have already been cases of antibiotic resistant plague.
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by The Greater Ohio Valley » Wed Mar 25, 2020 11:01 pm
by Nobel Hobos 2 » Wed Mar 25, 2020 11:02 pm
Nakena wrote:Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
I doubt that, since many of us experienced 9/11. That wrought some pretty big changes which haven't gone away.
I worry though about children living through this. Will they learn from it never to touch or go near another person? And some of them surely will develop phobias about touching things or people, also compulsions to wash their hands over and over.
I experienced 9/11 and it was a huge shock. Bigger than this one, since Covid came with announcement and it was slowly building up. Yet 9/11 didn had really an lasting impact on our actual lives, at least not most of us. More the kind of mental shock and before/after. This crisis is different. It affects everyone, its not something that can be - in doubt - tuned out by swapping the channel or closing the browser window.
by Major-Tom » Wed Mar 25, 2020 11:03 pm
Nakena wrote:Major-Tom wrote:
It's only alive at the seed bank in Svalbard, right? Not sure any of us could take that absolute beast on.
Some variants of it are still showing up then and now: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pneumonic ... idemiology
by The Greater Ohio Valley » Wed Mar 25, 2020 11:30 pm
Nakena wrote:The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:Antibiotic resistant Y. pestis would certainly annihilate society.
Bacterio-Phages are something science should finally looking into again. Right now only Poland and Georgia (the country) have some programs running with it.
by Australian rePublic » Wed Mar 25, 2020 11:58 pm
Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:Nakena wrote:
No. But it will lead to significant disruptions and issues. And by significant, I mean beyond what most of us have experienced in their lifetime so far.
I doubt that, since many of us experienced 9/11. That wrought some pretty big changes which haven't gone away.
I worry though about children living through this. Will they learn from it never to touch or go near another person? And some of them surely will develop phobias about touching things or people, also compulsions to wash their hands over and over.
by Albrenia » Thu Mar 26, 2020 12:15 am
by Nobel Hobos 2 » Thu Mar 26, 2020 12:35 am
Albrenia wrote:If society collapses because of people not willing to remain in lockdown, I'll be rather disappointed in my fellows.
I know it sucks to be cooped up at home all the time, but a revolution to re-open diners would destroy my faith in humanity.
by Punainen Suomi » Thu Mar 26, 2020 12:43 am
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:Nakena wrote:
Bacterio-Phages are something science should finally looking into again. Right now only Poland and Georgia (the country) have some programs running with it.
Interesting, hopefully they show some good results with it.
by Albrenia » Thu Mar 26, 2020 12:46 am
by Nobel Hobos 2 » Thu Mar 26, 2020 12:54 am
Albrenia wrote:I definitely get that it is a horrible state of anxiety and boredom which can wear a person down pretty quickly, ...
by Australian rePublic » Thu Mar 26, 2020 2:07 am
Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:Albrenia wrote:If society collapses because of people not willing to remain in lockdown, I'll be rather disappointed in my fellows.
I know it sucks to be cooped up at home all the time, but a revolution to re-open diners would destroy my faith in humanity.
I understand some people don't cook their own meals at all, but they can surely get by with frozen pre-cooked, and (as long as we're allowing cooks to come together in their place of work) deliveries of take-away.
I've known this for years, but some people are just finding out, that going out to dinner or to shop is actually really important to people's sense of self-worth. "Parading" in public, and probably an element of showing off their money, it gratifies some sense of living in a society not just a family (or other household unit) and is not easily substituted by online simulations of meeting people.
Meh, this is one of those posts that doesn't have a good ending. Forgot what I meant to say. I'll just add that home isolation must be hardest for people who live alone.
Albrenia wrote:I definitely get that it is a horrible state of anxiety and boredom which can wear a person down pretty quickly, but I believe we're gonna pull through on the other side of this without the end of the world or total societal collapse occurring.
People have lived through much worse, and as long as we stick together (metaphorically, not physically) we can do this too.
by Australian rePublic » Thu Mar 26, 2020 2:25 am
Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:Albrenia wrote:If society collapses because of people not willing to remain in lockdown, I'll be rather disappointed in my fellows.
I know it sucks to be cooped up at home all the time, but a revolution to re-open diners would destroy my faith in humanity.
I understand some people don't cook their own meals at all, but they can surely get by with frozen pre-cooked, and (as long as we're allowing cooks to come together in their place of work) deliveries of take-away.
I've known this for years, but some people are just finding out, that going out to dinner or to shop is actually really important to people's sense of self-worth. "Parading" in public, and probably an element of showing off their money, it gratifies some sense of living in a society not just a family (or other household unit) and is not easily substituted by online simulations of meeting people.
Meh, this is one of those posts that doesn't have a good ending. Forgot what I meant to say. I'll just add that home isolation must be hardest for people who live alone.
by Aclion » Thu Mar 26, 2020 2:57 am
by Australian rePublic » Thu Mar 26, 2020 3:03 am
Aclion wrote:I expect that the world will be a lot less tolerant of china's bullshit.
by Thermodolia » Thu Mar 26, 2020 3:09 am
by Seangoli » Thu Mar 26, 2020 3:19 am
by Australian rePublic » Thu Mar 26, 2020 3:23 am
Seangoli wrote:Australian rePublic wrote:Don't be so sure of that. China have already played the racism card
Pompeo made it pretty clear that the rest of the G7 leaders have no illysions about which one them started this mess, and indicated they are pretty fucking livid over China holding back vital information on the severity of the threat. There will be a reckoning on China when all is said and done. You don't njust blow up the world economy and go back to business as usually as though nothing happened.
And in the meantime, Chinese factories are already bemoaning that orders are getting cancelled around the world because we are dealing with their shit. So much so that they are shuttering recently reopendled factories because nobody is buying shit from them.
So there's that.
by Nobel Hobos 2 » Thu Mar 26, 2020 3:55 am
Seangoli wrote:Australian rePublic wrote:Don't be so sure of that. China have already played the racism card
Pompeo made it pretty clear that the rest of the G7 leaders have no illysions about which one them started this mess, and indicated they are pretty fucking livid over China holding back vital information on the severity of the threat. There will be a reckoning on China when all is said and done. You don't njust blow up the world economy and go back to business as usually as though nothing happened.
And in the meantime, Chinese factories are already bemoaning that orders are getting cancelled around the world because we are dealing with their shit. So much so that they are shuttering recently reopendled factories because nobody is buying shit from them.
So there's that.
by Nobel Hobos 2 » Thu Mar 26, 2020 3:57 am
Australian rePublic wrote:Seangoli wrote:
Pompeo made it pretty clear that the rest of the G7 leaders have no illysions about which one them started this mess, and indicated they are pretty fucking livid over China holding back vital information on the severity of the threat. There will be a reckoning on China when all is said and done. You don't njust blow up the world economy and go back to business as usually as though nothing happened.
And in the meantime, Chinese factories are already bemoaning that orders are getting cancelled around the world because we are dealing with their shit. So much so that they are shuttering recently reopendled factories because nobody is buying shit from them.
So there's that.
Interesting. The sooner Xi Jinping is gone, the better
by Australian rePublic » Thu Mar 26, 2020 4:00 am
by Australian rePublic » Thu Mar 26, 2020 4:02 am
Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:Seangoli wrote:
Pompeo made it pretty clear that the rest of the G7 leaders have no illysions about which one them started this mess, and indicated they are pretty fucking livid over China holding back vital information on the severity of the threat. There will be a reckoning on China when all is said and done. You don't njust blow up the world economy and go back to business as usually as though nothing happened.
Like what kind of consequences? You think a wide coalition of other nations are going to demand reparations? You think they're going to apply sanctions when China refuses to pay?
And in the meantime, Chinese factories are already bemoaning that orders are getting cancelled around the world because we are dealing with their shit. So much so that they are shuttering recently reopendled factories because nobody is buying shit from them.
So there's that.
Their trade is probably suffering more than most countries' because of ignorant assumptions about goods carrying the virus. Perhaps a bit by ethical boycott but I wouldn't count on it. Very few people put their money where their mouth is that way: China will continue to find buyers by the eternally effective method of having the lowest price.
by Nobel Hobos 2 » Thu Mar 26, 2020 4:16 am
Australian rePublic wrote:Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Don't wish for that. You could get someone worse.
True, true. Unless Taiwan takes over. Best case scanario. Wouldn't it be nice if Taiwan took over? Or split it. Taiwan gets part of China, Hong Kong gets the New Territories and Macau gets another part. 3 Chinas
by Australian rePublic » Thu Mar 26, 2020 4:17 am
Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:Australian rePublic wrote:True, true. Unless Taiwan takes over. Best case scanario. Wouldn't it be nice if Taiwan took over? Or split it. Taiwan gets part of China, Hong Kong gets the New Territories and Macau gets another part. 3 Chinas
None of those is realistic. Taiwan and whose army?
I do expect there will be democracy in China some day, but it will be decades in the future. It may not even be possible in such a large-pop country (bearing in mind India where democracy is less than ideal) so they may have to devolve power to the provinces and form a federation. Though as the US shows us, that is less than ideal too.
by Nobel Hobos 2 » Thu Mar 26, 2020 4:21 am
Australian rePublic wrote:Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Like what kind of consequences? You think a wide coalition of other nations are going to demand reparations? You think they're going to apply sanctions when China refuses to pay?
Their trade is probably suffering more than most countries' because of ignorant assumptions about goods carrying the virus. Perhaps a bit by ethical boycott but I wouldn't count on it. Very few people put their money where their mouth is that way: China will continue to find buyers by the eternally effective method of having the lowest price.
China isn't even that cheap anymore. China has supply chains, and I don't see them lasting
by Australian rePublic » Thu Mar 26, 2020 4:27 am
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