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Which team will win the CL?

Man City
1
17%
Real Madrid
3
50%
Bayern
2
33%
Arsenal
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No votes
Dortmund
0
No votes
Atletico
0
No votes
PSG
0
No votes
Barcelona
0
No votes
 
Total votes : 6

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Postby The Champions League » Thu Mar 19, 2020 12:15 pm

Outer Sparta wrote:
The Champions League wrote:Speaking of Pogba, apparently, Prem players seem to do better in the Serie A, Lukaku is probably having his best season although he had a couple of good seasons with Everton and Man U, and Pogba was a world-class superstar at Juve under Allegri, to the point his transfer was the most expensive one, until QSG and DiveMar agreed on an oil-tinted deal

I'm surprised English players don't play in other leagues such as Spain and Germany that often. Getting international experience in international clubs definitely helps towards strengthening your national team, although Spain didn't need to from 2008-2012 since they were just a glorified Barca squad.

Top teams usually have their players based on the national league, England with the Prem, Germany with the Bundesliga, Italy with the Serie A and Spain with La Liga, ofc there's a couple of players that play overseas but it's only very few of them, France usually has players playing in other leagues, that I can name, Mbappe is the only French superstar in the starting XI that actually plays in the Ligue 1.

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Postby Outer Sparta » Thu Mar 19, 2020 12:28 pm

The Champions League wrote:
Outer Sparta wrote:I'm surprised English players don't play in other leagues such as Spain and Germany that often. Getting international experience in international clubs definitely helps towards strengthening your national team, although Spain didn't need to from 2008-2012 since they were just a glorified Barca squad.

Top teams usually have their players based on the national league, England with the Prem, Germany with the Bundesliga, Italy with the Serie A and Spain with La Liga, ofc there's a couple of players that play overseas but it's only very few of them, France usually has players playing in other leagues, that I can name, Mbappe is the only French superstar in the starting XI that actually plays in the Ligue 1.

Usually teams have around half of their starting lineup of players from the same country and the other half comprise of international players.
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Postby The Champions League » Thu Mar 19, 2020 12:47 pm

Outer Sparta wrote:
The Champions League wrote:Top teams usually have their players based on the national league, England with the Prem, Germany with the Bundesliga, Italy with the Serie A and Spain with La Liga, ofc there's a couple of players that play overseas but it's only very few of them, France usually has players playing in other leagues, that I can name, Mbappe is the only French superstar in the starting XI that actually plays in the Ligue 1.

Usually teams have around half of their starting lineup of players from the same country and the other half comprise of international players.

Some do, although it depends on the footballing level of the country, and how well the league itself is

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Postby Outer Sparta » Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:05 pm

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Outer Sparta wrote:Usually teams have around half of their starting lineup of players from the same country and the other half comprise of international players.

Some do, although it depends on the footballing level of the country, and how well the league itself is

Superstars from Asia or Africa usually go to Europe, especially the likes of Son Heung-Min, Sadio Mane, Mo Salah, etc.
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Postby The Champions League » Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:11 pm

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The Champions League wrote:Some do, although it depends on the footballing level of the country, and how well the league itself is

Superstars from Asia or Africa usually go to Europe, especially the likes of Son Heung-Min, Sadio Mane, Mo Salah, etc.

Yeah, their home leagues are not good enough for them so making the trip to Europe is the only option. In Africa, I'd say that either Egypt's or South Africa's league is the best while in Asia, the best one would be the Saudi league.

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Postby Outer Sparta » Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:14 pm

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Outer Sparta wrote:Superstars from Asia or Africa usually go to Europe, especially the likes of Son Heung-Min, Sadio Mane, Mo Salah, etc.

Yeah, their home leagues are not good enough for them so making the trip to Europe is the only option. In Africa, I'd say that either Egypt's or South Africa's league is the best while in Asia, the best one would be the Saudi league.

The Saudi league does produce good teams in Asia, but the only players are Saudis. Asian leagues aren't really up to par with the rest of the world.
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Postby The Champions League » Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:18 pm

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The Champions League wrote:Yeah, their home leagues are not good enough for them so making the trip to Europe is the only option. In Africa, I'd say that either Egypt's or South Africa's league is the best while in Asia, the best one would be the Saudi league.

The Saudi league does produce good teams in Asia, but the only players are Saudis. Asian leagues aren't really up to par with the rest of the world.

Some of them like Al-Soma, is not Saudi and is one of the best players they've had (he's from Syria). What's sad about the majority of Asian leagues, is that they serve as retirement homes for players that once were top-class, like China's, India's, and Japan's league. In recent years, Thailand and Indonesia along with Iran have improved their leagues, and have produced one or two young players that are considered the future of those nations.

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Postby Outer Sparta » Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:20 pm

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Outer Sparta wrote:The Saudi league does produce good teams in Asia, but the only players are Saudis. Asian leagues aren't really up to par with the rest of the world.

Some of them like Al-Soma, is not Saudi and is one of the best players they've had (he's from Syria). What's sad about the majority of Asian leagues, is that they serve as retirement homes for players that once were top-class, like China's, India's, and Japan's league. In recent years, Thailand and Indonesia along with Iran have improved their leagues, and have produced one or two young players that are considered the future of those nations.

Southeast Asia isn't good at football, Southern Asia is into cricket instead, the Middle East only has players from the region, and as for East Asia, only Japan and South Korea are good.
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Postby The Champions League » Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:23 pm

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The Champions League wrote:Some of them like Al-Soma, is not Saudi and is one of the best players they've had (he's from Syria). What's sad about the majority of Asian leagues, is that they serve as retirement homes for players that once were top-class, like China's, India's, and Japan's league. In recent years, Thailand and Indonesia along with Iran have improved their leagues, and have produced one or two young players that are considered the future of those nations.

Southeast Asia isn't good at football, Southern Asia is into cricket instead, the Middle East only has players from the region, and as for East Asia, only Japan and South Korea are good.

I wonder if Sather knows that a Malaysian team won the AFC Cup in 2015, which is basically Asia's version of the Europa League. It was Johor Darul against a Tajik team, Istiklol.

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Postby Outer Sparta » Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:26 pm

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Outer Sparta wrote:Southeast Asia isn't good at football, Southern Asia is into cricket instead, the Middle East only has players from the region, and as for East Asia, only Japan and South Korea are good.

I wonder if Sather knows that a Malaysian team won the AFC Cup in 2015, which is basically Asia's version of the Europa League. It was Johor Darul against a Tajik team, Istiklol.

I don't pay much attention to the AFC Cup and stuff since Asia isn't as relevant compared to Europe and Latin America. CAF qualifying and the African Cup of Nations is really interesting. Africa has a surging football infrastructure despite them being poorer than Europe, Latin America, and Asia.
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Postby Imperial Joseon » Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:29 pm

The Champions League wrote:I wonder if Sather knows that a Malaysian team won the AFC Cup in 2015, which is basically Asia's version of the Europa League. It was Johor Darul against a Tajik team, Istiklol.


Vietnam's definitely a rising star in football, both in U-23 and regular Men's. They have good physicality and tactics amongst Southeast Asian teams. Indonesia Men's team is slowly gaining momentum, even. Blatter doesn't intervene in any of their games, I bet.
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Postby Outer Sparta » Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:31 pm

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The Champions League wrote:I wonder if Sather knows that a Malaysian team won the AFC Cup in 2015, which is basically Asia's version of the Europa League. It was Johor Darul against a Tajik team, Istiklol.


Vietnam's definitely a rising star in football, both in U-23 and regular Men's. They have good physicality and tactics amongst Southeast Asian teams. Indonesia Men's team is slowly gaining momentum, even. Blatter doesn't intervene in any of their games, I bet.

Hopefully the rest of Asia gets up there in football instead of having just Japan, South Korea, Australia, and Iran at the top. China still sucks at football.
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Postby Imperial Joseon » Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:32 pm

Outer Sparta wrote:Hopefully the rest of Asia gets up there in football instead of having just Japan, South Korea, Australia, and Iran at the top. China still sucks at football.


China will get better soon. They have the capital, which they can spend in a proper manner, unlike how Qatar spends, to establish a better team.
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Postby The Champions League » Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:33 pm

Outer Sparta wrote:
The Champions League wrote:I wonder if Sather knows that a Malaysian team won the AFC Cup in 2015, which is basically Asia's version of the Europa League. It was Johor Darul against a Tajik team, Istiklol.

I don't pay much attention to the AFC Cup and stuff since Asia isn't as relevant compared to Europe and Latin America. CAF qualifying and the African Cup of Nations is really interesting. Africa has a surging football infrastructure despite them being poorer than Europe, Latin America, and Asia.

I do, but not as much as I used to, Africa is certainly a surging footballing region. There's 10 or so countries with a lot of potential and over the past years, they have produced many good players and they've show it at the U20 and U17 WC, most notably Nigeria, Mali and Guinea. There's this player, Fandje Toure, he's from Guinea, the guy is Africa's Messi, he's 17 years old and at international level, he has turned a lot of heads with his performances.

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Postby Outer Sparta » Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:37 pm

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Outer Sparta wrote:Hopefully the rest of Asia gets up there in football instead of having just Japan, South Korea, Australia, and Iran at the top. China still sucks at football.


China will get better soon. They have the capital, which they can spend in a proper manner, unlike how Qatar spends, to establish a better team.

I'm not counting teams like Saudi Arabia and Qatar since they seem to build up their teams via corruption and oil money. Seems very-plasticky to me.
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Postby Imperial Joseon » Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:38 pm

Outer Sparta wrote:I'm not counting teams like Saudi Arabia and Qatar since they seem to build up their teams via corruption and oil money. Seems very-plasticky to me.


We have teams like Korea, Japan, and China building up their teams in a transparent manner. Saudi Arabia and Qatar should follow them as exemplars.
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Postby Outer Sparta » Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:41 pm

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Outer Sparta wrote:I'm not counting teams like Saudi Arabia and Qatar since they seem to build up their teams via corruption and oil money. Seems very-plasticky to me.


We have teams like Korea, Japan, and China building up their teams in a transparent manner. Saudi Arabia and Qatar should follow them as exemplars.

Unfortunately "transparent" and "Saudi Arabia and Qatar" will never mix. Oil nations often engage in corruption to better their standing in sports.
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Postby Imperial Joseon » Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:41 pm

Outer Sparta wrote:Unfortunately "transparent" and "Saudi Arabia and Qatar" will never mix. Oil nations often engage in corruption to better their standing in sports.


Oil is opaque, not transparent.
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Postby The Champions League » Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:45 pm

Imperial Joseon wrote:
Outer Sparta wrote:I'm not counting teams like Saudi Arabia and Qatar since they seem to build up their teams via corruption and oil money. Seems very-plasticky to me.


We have teams like Korea, Japan, and China building up their teams in a transparent manner. Saudi Arabia and Qatar should follow them as exemplars.

Out of those three, South Korea is the one that has improved the best without that heavy need of foreign players. Ulsan Hyundai, Pohang and Jeonbuk have demonstrated that by winning the AFC CL in the last decade, unlike Guangzhou who relied on Scolari and their Brazilian players.

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Postby Outer Sparta » Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:47 pm

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Outer Sparta wrote:Unfortunately "transparent" and "Saudi Arabia and Qatar" will never mix. Oil nations often engage in corruption to better their standing in sports.


Oil is opaque, not transparent.

With great amounts of oil come great amounts of corruption. That's the Qatari model for football.
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Postby Imperial Joseon » Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:48 pm

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Imperial Joseon wrote:
We have teams like Korea, Japan, and China building up their teams in a transparent manner. Saudi Arabia and Qatar should follow them as exemplars.

Out of those three, South Korea is the one that has improved the best without that heavy need of foreign players. Ulsan Hyundai, Pohang and Jeonbuk have demonstrated that by winning the AFC CL in the last decade, unlike Guangzhou who relied on Scolari and their Brazilian players.


Ulsan Hyundai recently acquired Lee Cheong-Yong, a former World Cup player, who played for Crystal Palace, Bolton, and in Bundesliga as well, and they have two World Cup qualifying goalkeepers, Jo and Lee, so they would've been the favourites to win the K-League Cup this season. Jeonbuk acquired some top young forwards like Jo Gyu-Seong, who scored two goals in the U-23 AFC that took place in Thailand. Pohang is just a generally strong team without a star player.
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Postby The Champions League » Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:54 pm

Imperial Joseon wrote:
The Champions League wrote:Out of those three, South Korea is the one that has improved the best without that heavy need of foreign players. Ulsan Hyundai, Pohang and Jeonbuk have demonstrated that by winning the AFC CL in the last decade, unlike Guangzhou who relied on Scolari and their Brazilian players.


Ulsan Hyundai recently acquired Lee Cheong-Yong, a former World Cup player, who played for Crystal Palace, Bolton, and in Bundesliga as well, and they have two World Cup qualifying goalkeepers, Jo and Lee, so they would've been the favourites to win the K-League Cup this season. Jeonbuk acquired some top young forwards like Jo Gyu-Seong, who scored two goals in the U-23 AFC that took place in Thailand. Pohang is just a generally strong team without a star player.

Actually, the K-League is my favorite league from Asia, they have the first Asian club I saw play on TV, even though I had to wake up at 1 am to watch the game xD

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Postby Imperial Joseon » Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:58 pm

The Champions League wrote:Actually, the K-League is my favorite league from Asia, they have the first Asian club I saw play on TV, even though I had to wake up at 1 am to watch the game xD


Koreans have really shored up their goaltending after learning from teams like Mexico in 2014 World Cup, who had Ochoa. He was a beast back in 2014. We, then, had Jo start in 2018, and he was voted, I think, as one of the 11 players in the lineup amongst the Group Stage teams.
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Postby Outer Sparta » Thu Mar 19, 2020 2:00 pm

Imperial Joseon wrote:
The Champions League wrote:Actually, the K-League is my favorite league from Asia, they have the first Asian club I saw play on TV, even though I had to wake up at 1 am to watch the game xD


Koreans have really shored up their goaltending after learning from teams like Mexico in 2014 World Cup, who had Ochoa. He was a beast back in 2014. We, then, had Jo start in 2018, and he was voted, I think, as one of the 11 players in the lineup amongst the Group Stage teams.

South Korea's goalie was amazing. He made many great saves and stepped up in the Germany game.
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Postby The Champions League » Thu Mar 19, 2020 2:12 pm

Outer Sparta wrote:
Imperial Joseon wrote:
Koreans have really shored up their goaltending after learning from teams like Mexico in 2014 World Cup, who had Ochoa. He was a beast back in 2014. We, then, had Jo start in 2018, and he was voted, I think, as one of the 11 players in the lineup amongst the Group Stage teams.

South Korea's goalie was amazing. He made many great saves and stepped up in the Germany game.

They have been improving like Japan from 2008–2013, now they have declined a bit, hopefully Kubo and Nishikawa can take Japan into a new successful era

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