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Christian Democrats
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Founded: Jul 29, 2009
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Postby Christian Democrats » Sun Aug 12, 2012 2:08 pm

Atheimsa wrote:Abortion: pro choice (up to 12 weeks- in special medical cases up to 20 cases with common sense applied.
Immigration: sensibly. don't take more than the infrastructure can take
Gay Marriage: i am for equal rights
Guns: need a license - and can't be bought just on the high street. Not allowed to store at home. (only in clubs, at work etc)
Taxes: are important for the upkeep of the infrastructure
Capital Punishment: death penalty? no.
Corporal Punishment: I am against violence against children. If thats what you mean
Prostitution: yes it is legal here anyway.
Recreational Drugs , I don't use them myself but they should be available in chemists. Taxed.
Private Enterprise: yes sure .
Communism can't force it-- while in theory it my sound like a nice utopia it is entirely unrealistic. could only work in very small societies not on a state level.

I am centre left generally- how coems no questions on envrionment?

On every issue, except for "private enterprise," you gave a left-wing answer. How is that center-left?
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Postby Nidaria » Sun Aug 12, 2012 2:17 pm

Shazbotdom wrote:
Nordengrund wrote:
I never said Christian, I said traditional which I was referring to one man and one woman.


Who dictates what "Traditional Marriage" is? There have been Pagan religions that have practiced Same Sex Marriage for the better part of 6,000 years. That would seem "Traditional" to me, which if you want "Traditional" marriage, then it should allow Same Sex Marriage.

You are taking the thread off topic. Please do not post in this thread unless you are a centrist, and are doing so for the purpose of stating your beliefs. Also, "Traditional Marriage" is usually seen as that similar to the first marriage. I shall not be posting in this thread again, to mitigate the damage.
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Alaje
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Postby Alaje » Sun Aug 12, 2012 2:19 pm

Abortion: Against in all cases

Immigration: I believe there should be a yearly immigration quota, and illegal immigrants should be deported

Gay Marriage: Against

Guns: I'm pro-2nd amendment, but I do believe in gun regulation.

Taxes: Taxes are neccesary to support the state apparatus, I support a progressive tax system

Capital Punishment: Pro-death penalty

Corporal Punishment: I believe it should be allowed as a last resort tactic for disiplining ones child.

Prostitution: Against

Recreational Drugs: Alcohol and Marajuana are ok, but nothing else.

Private Enterprise: I'm not against it, as long as it is benefiting the community.

Communism: It is a nice philosophy that can work in a small setting, but is irrelevant to the advancement of humanity.

I consider myself center left, but IDK. :p
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Postby Kington Langley » Sun Aug 12, 2012 2:19 pm

Abortion: Only restriction I would favour would be that the procedure be conducted in a safe environment
Immigration: Would like to see tougher laws, such as making a good knowledge of English a requirement.
Gay Marriage: Totally for, why would a democratic government dictate who you should love?
Guns: Totally against, why would any citizen need to carry guns in a civilised society?
Taxes: Would rather pay higher taxes to fund welfare systems to help those worse off than pay nothing for my own personal gain.
Capital Punishment: A barbaric legal practice, severe consequences for wrongful conviction
Corporal Punishment: Barbaric practice, same as above minus wrongful conviction
Prostitution: Dangerous profession, totally against
Recreational Drugs: Against, users pose a significant threat to themselves and others around them
Private Enterprise: Believe a level of nationalisation is required in essential services such as public transport, postal service and energy to ensure universal quality of service however other than that, fully capitalist economy.
Communism: An authoritarian system that has been proven not to work.
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Postby Lancaster of Wessex » Sun Aug 12, 2012 2:21 pm

What the hell, I'll bite:

Abortion: should be legal, however I wish it were only for cases of rape/mother's life in danger; however it should be available to those who want it

Immigration: skilled immigrants are welcome to the country as long as they make some overt attempts to learn the national language if they do not already know it, and learn some of the nation's social mores/values

Gay Marriage: for it in a civic sense, religious institutions should not be forced to perform them however

Guns: should be used by the military and police only, ideally, but should be strictly regulated and controlled by the state for private ownership

Taxes: try and keep low for the middle classes and not overly-punishing to businesses, or else how will you attract investment?

Capital Punishment: firmly against

Corporal Punishment: firmly against

Prostitution: should be legalized and controlled by the state and regulated

Recreational Drugs: possible legalization and taxation of marijuana, all others banned and criminalized

Private Enterprise: one of the most important things a state can have is a strong private sector, but should be firmly "kept an eye on" to try and curb abuses of employees, taxation laws, and especially the environment

Communism: fanciful and unrealistic, if not idealistic
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Postby Nordengrund » Sun Aug 12, 2012 2:22 pm

Alaje wrote:Abortion: Against in all cases

Immigration: I believe there should be a yearly immigration quota, and illegal immigrants should be deported

Gay Marriage: Against

Guns: I'm pro-2nd amendment, but I do believe in gun regulation.

Taxes: Taxes are neccesary to support the state apparatus, I support a progressive tax system

Capital Punishment: Pro-death penalty

Corporal Punishment: I believe it should be allowed as a last resort tactic for disiplining ones child.

Prostitution: Against

Recreational Drugs: Alcohol and Marajuana are ok, but nothing else.

Private Enterprise: I'm not against it, as long as it is benefiting the community.

Communism: It is a nice philosophy that can work in a small setting, but is irrelevant to the advancement of humanity.

I consider myself center left, but IDK. :p


I respect your beliefs, but if you are truly for the Second Amendment, you would not believe in gun restrictions. It says that we have the right to bear arms and this right may not infringed.
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Alaje
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Postby Alaje » Sun Aug 12, 2012 2:26 pm

Nordengrund wrote:
Alaje wrote:Abortion: Against in all cases

Immigration: I believe there should be a yearly immigration quota, and illegal immigrants should be deported

Gay Marriage: Against

Guns: I'm pro-2nd amendment, but I do believe in gun regulation.

Taxes: Taxes are neccesary to support the state apparatus, I support a progressive tax system

Capital Punishment: Pro-death penalty

Corporal Punishment: I believe it should be allowed as a last resort tactic for disiplining ones child.

Prostitution: Against

Recreational Drugs: Alcohol and Marajuana are ok, but nothing else.

Private Enterprise: I'm not against it, as long as it is benefiting the community.

Communism: It is a nice philosophy that can work in a small setting, but is irrelevant to the advancement of humanity.

I consider myself center left, but IDK. :p


I respect your beliefs, but if you are truly for the Second Amendment, you would not believe in gun restrictions. It says that we have the right to bear arms and this right may not infringed.


Well, I don't think people should be allowed to own any kind of gun. I don't fancy the idea of people running around with assault rifles.
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Malaysii
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Postby Malaysii » Sun Aug 12, 2012 3:11 pm

Abortion: I am morally against it, but I am absolutely pro-choice.
Immigration: I suppose I don't mind any immigrant going through the processes and coming in legally, but I think most if not all illegal immigrants should be deported.
Gay Marriage: I think it should be fully legal.
Guns: I'm pretty much against guns, I don't see whay in the US someone would need a gun other than for hunting or the like.
Taxes: I would pay higher taxes for welfare and the like.
Capital Punishment: I see the need for it, but I wouldn't outright support or go against it.
Corporal Punishment: I think it should be allowed, but only such punishments as spanking, not whipping with a belt or using a paddle.
Prostitution: I'm very much against it.
Recreational Drugs: Alchohol, Marujuana are fine, but as it gets more hard and dangerous, then no.
Private Enterprise: I'm not against it.
Communism: It may sound pretty nice on paper, but I don't think it can really work.

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Postby Charlotte Ryberg » Sun Aug 12, 2012 3:29 pm

Abortion: Pro-choice but against forced abortion or eugenics.
Immigration: Open doors but retain border controls to prevent organised crime and human trafficking.
Gay Marriage: Proponent.
Guns: Allow by mandate registration of guns for quick recovery in case of theft.
Taxes: Rate must be dependent on actual income.
Capital Punishment: Against (except for serious war crimes and crimes against humanity)
Corporal Punishment: Against
Prostitution: Against, but limit liability to those who buy prostitution.
Recreational Drugs: Only allow Alchohol and Marujuana, restrict tobacco
Private Enterprise: For
Communism: A bit ambiguous, I only base my judgements on extremity of ideology.

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Crabcake Baba Ganoush
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Postby Crabcake Baba Ganoush » Sun Aug 12, 2012 3:36 pm

Abortion: For it.
Immigration:Healthy in small doses.
Gay Marriage: If they want to join in on a dying system...let them.
Guns: Lock and load.
Taxes: Necessary evil.
Capital Punishment: For it.
Corporal Punishment: If necessary.
Prostitution: Legalized...like in Nevada.
Recreational Drugs: Fine.
Private Enterprise: Yes.
Communism: Only works on small scales.

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Atheimsa
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Postby Atheimsa » Mon Aug 13, 2012 6:49 am

Christian Democrats wrote:
Atheimsa wrote:Abortion: pro choice (up to 12 weeks- in special medical cases up to 20 cases with common sense applied.
Immigration: sensibly. don't take more than the infrastructure can take
Gay Marriage: i am for equal rights
Guns: need a license - and can't be bought just on the high street. Not allowed to store at home. (only in clubs, at work etc)
Taxes: are important for the upkeep of the infrastructure
Capital Punishment: death penalty? no.
Corporal Punishment: I am against violence against children. If thats what you mean
Prostitution: yes it is legal here anyway.
Recreational Drugs , I don't use them myself but they should be available in chemists. Taxed.
Private Enterprise: yes sure .
Communism can't force it-- while in theory it my sound like a nice utopia it is entirely unrealistic. could only work in very small societies not on a state level.

I am centre left generally- how coems no questions on envrionment?

On every issue, except for "private enterprise," you gave a left-wing answer. How is that center-left?

In germany that is centre-left. Also just because some topic is 'classic' left doesnt mean it is implemented in the most extreme way-- it is being implemented moderately which being centrist is about. it doesnt mean that you are half -half on each topiic.by the way- Also if you read carefully you can read that I don't think that communism could work in realistic circumstances- not banning it doesnt make you leftist.
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Postby TaQud » Mon Aug 13, 2012 6:50 am

Abortion: Against
Immigration: Neutral
Gay Marriage: For
Guns: For
Taxes: For
Capital Punishment: Against
Corporal Punishment: Neutral
Prostitution: For
Recreational Drugs: Against
Private Enterprise: Against
Communism: Against
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Postby Mavorpen » Mon Aug 13, 2012 7:23 am

I'm almost sure I'm not centrist. But whatever.
Abortion: Pro-choice
Immigration: Why not if they aren't doing illegal stuff?
Gay Marriage: For it.
Guns: I don't care as long as people aren't easily gaining access to heavy weaponry.
Taxes: High
Capital Punishment: Idiotic.
Corporal Punishment: No
Prostitution: Legal
Recreational Drugs: Legal
Private Enterprise: Well regulated.
Communism: For it.
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Postby Wikipedia and Universe » Tue Aug 14, 2012 11:16 pm

I identify proudly as a Centrist, and that would be my word of choice for identifying my views if I had to do so in one word. I am economically more center-right, civilly libertarian but pro-state (i.e. not the "Big L" nutters), and socioculturally liberal. I'd say I identify as a Third Way Classical Liberal Centrist overall. As for my views on the issues presented in the OP, see below:
Abortion: Pro-choice; I even support a system for late-term "live terminations", but I'll refrain from elaborating for the sake of brevity.
Immigration: I believe that we should take steps to increase border security and could provide increased or improved paths to lawful residency and citizenship for immigrants. As for undocumented immigrants currently residing in the country, I believe we need to approach this with pragmatism.
Gay Marriage: I wholeheartedly support the legalization of same-sex marriage and believe same-sex couples should be equal with opposite-sex couples. The same goes for adoption.
Guns: I am a firm believer in the right to bear arms and am heavily pro-gun rights. I do believe there should be checks and regulations in place, such as registration and background checks, so long as they are smart and reasonable. I believe that civilian ownership of automatic weapons should be legal, although with much oversight of the distribution thereof. One should be able to legally obtain and (if need be) register a firearm if they are deemed to be sound of mind and have a clean criminal history. I also think that the registration process could be simplified and modernized.
Taxes: In general, I support taxation, though my positions are currently evolving with regard to what should be taxed and how. I subscribe to and understand the Laffer-Khaldun curve (or, more precisely, the so-called "Neo-Laffer curve"; it's not and was never meant to be an exact metric) and support, in our current state, taxes in this country being reduced.
Capital Punishment: I believe that it should be put on the table in severe cases, though I agree with the SCOTUS that it should be used for fatal offenses only. I think we should also look into raising the standards of doubt for the death penalty (to clarify, the burden for a guilty verdict would remain the same; the higher burden would apply only to sentencing).
Corporal Punishment: I am generally against it. I believe that a light swat on the behind for someone who is around 3-5, as a wake-up call where infliction of pain is not at all the goal, should be the upper limit of what is permitted.
Prostitution: I believe that disorganized prostitution should be legal and regulated. Organized, hierarchical forms such as brothels and pimping should not be legal. I actually conceived a system by which to regulate this "disorganized" work, but, once again, I'll refrain from elaborating for the sake of brevity.
Recreational Drugs: I believe that certain "soft" drugs, such as cannabis and mushrooms, should be definitely legal and available, albeit regulated. At this point in time, I am still unsure of what to do about the harder drugs.
Private Enterprise: I am a strong supporter of private enterprise and the free market.
Communism: I despise it. It is a fundamentally flawed system for a number of reasons, which is marked by extreme imposition in nature and cannot be implemented on a large scale. It's right there in the name; it was designed for little communes. However, I do support the right of Communists to hold and peaceably practice their beliefs.
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Nordengrund wrote:Well, Magmia said he did not approve of it, but he did not have an issue with it.
Which is different than to say it should be criminalized. You intend for the state to meddle in their affairs.
Exactly. Also, unless you're talking about criminalizing all homosexual relationships of any kind, you can't "criminalize" same-sex marriage. In the context of the same-sex marriage debate, "marriage" refers to legal marriage, a partnership recognized by the state which, as you know, is not awarded to same-sex couples in many jurisdictions. To "criminalize" an act is to make that act a crime which carries a penalty under the law. How can one criminalize an act which is impossible to perform without legal sanction in the first place? :eyebrow:
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Postby Waldoven » Sun Mar 15, 2020 11:42 pm

Is this thread dead? :(
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Postby The Snazzylands » Mon Mar 16, 2020 1:51 am

Waldoven wrote:Is this thread dead? :(

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