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by Rainbowsix » Mon Mar 02, 2020 10:03 am
by Infected Mushroom » Mon Mar 02, 2020 10:03 am
by Ethel mermania » Mon Mar 02, 2020 10:17 am
by Ethel mermania » Mon Mar 02, 2020 10:19 am
by Ifreann » Mon Mar 02, 2020 10:22 am
Infected Mushroom wrote:Ifreann wrote:As I said, whether one pays taxes has no relation to whether one avails of the education system. Just like everything else that's paid for by the government. You can go to school whether you pay taxes or not. You pay taxes(or don't) whether you go to school or not.
And you aren't even arguing against making higher education available to everyone, you're just trying to make it seem bad by calling the term "free education" propaganda.
More power to him.
Is money not required to pay for this education?
Can you answer this?
And if money is required, then I ask... how can this be “free”?
Yes, if you don’t pay your taxes the schools will continue to run, but only because you and others were (at some point, past, present, or future) paying
Ethel mermania wrote:Ifreann wrote:But society can make it that way for everyone. So why shouldn't we? We've already done and continue to do loads of things to make the world more fair than it would otherwise be, why stop now?
It's not fairer it takes away incentive to do things on your own and be responsible for yourself.
I dont mind caring for those who can not care for themselves. I object to handouts to people who can do themselves.
by Ethel mermania » Mon Mar 02, 2020 10:25 am
Ifreann wrote:Infected Mushroom wrote:
Is money not required to pay for this education?
Can you answer this?
And if money is required, then I ask... how can this be “free”?
It's free in that one doesn't have to pay to access it. There is no charge to the people who use it. Just like how your beloved McDonalds doesn't charge you for their packets of condiments. They're free, even though they cost money. This isn't propaganda, everyone understands how this works.Yes, if you don’t pay your taxes the schools will continue to run, but only because you and others were (at some point, past, present, or future) paying
You're still not making any argument against third level education being available to everyone. You're still just quibbling over the use of the word "free".Ethel mermania wrote:It's not fairer it takes away incentive to do things on your own and be responsible for yourself.
No matter who is footing the bill, one cannot get a degree without taking responsibility for their own learning.I dont mind caring for those who can not care for themselves. I object to handouts to people who can do themselves.
You say that, but so far as I've seen you're only objecting to handouts to poor people. Rich people getting handouts, not only getting their college education paid for but even getting extra tutoring, you seem to think is fine. I would believe that you object to handouts to people who can do themselves if you were calling for every student, no matter their economic background, to have to work to pay for their college tuition.
by Ifreann » Mon Mar 02, 2020 10:28 am
Ethel mermania wrote:Ifreann wrote:It's free in that one doesn't have to pay to access it. There is no charge to the people who use it. Just like how your beloved McDonalds doesn't charge you for their packets of condiments. They're free, even though they cost money. This isn't propaganda, everyone understands how this works.
You're still not making any argument against third level education being available to everyone. You're still just quibbling over the use of the word "free".
No matter who is footing the bill, one cannot get a degree without taking responsibility for their own learning.
You say that, but so far as I've seen you're only objecting to handouts to poor people. Rich people getting handouts, not only getting their college education paid for but even getting extra tutoring, you seem to think is fine. I would believe that you object to handouts to people who can do themselves if you were calling for every student, no matter their economic background, to have to work to pay for their college tuition.
1. My proposal in the very first post of the thread was making public community college for free. In spite of everything you have said I think it's a good idea for reasons mentioned in that very first post.
Ethel mermania wrote:Stagnant Axon Terminal wrote:A yeti cooler and an education are not the same thing. You should not be able to buy your way into a better resume.
Sure you should, if one wants to pay for more education, extra tutoring, more books to put themselves in a better position to succeed, it should be encouraged
2. Paying your own way, is not a handout.
by Saiwania » Mon Mar 02, 2020 10:32 am
Ethel mermania wrote:I dont mind caring for those who can not care for themselves. I object to handouts to people who can do themselves.
by Ethel mermania » Mon Mar 02, 2020 10:33 am
Ifreann wrote:Ethel mermania wrote:I didnt go ivy, but the curriculum I had was more difficult than the same courses my friends took at state schools.
I don't know if your personal experiences are generalisable to the whole third level education system throughout the world.Ethel mermania wrote:1. My proposal in the very first post of the thread was making public community college for free. In spite of everything you have said I think it's a good idea for reasons mentioned in that very first post.Ethel mermania wrote:Sure you should, if one wants to pay for more education, extra tutoring, more books to put themselves in a better position to succeed, it should be encouraged2. Paying your own way, is not a handout.
Rich kids getting their bills covered by their parents pay their own way?
by Ifreann » Mon Mar 02, 2020 10:45 am
Ethel mermania wrote:Ifreann wrote:I don't know if your personal experiences are generalisable to the whole third level education system throughout the world.
Rich kids getting their bills covered by their parents pay their own way?
1. They are generalizable to the states, I by far am not the only one with this experience. internationally I couldn't tell you.
2. Yes paying for your kids is paying your own way.
by TURTLESHROOM II » Mon Mar 02, 2020 10:46 am
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by TURTLESHROOM II » Mon Mar 02, 2020 10:49 am
Ifreann wrote:Handouts from one's parents are still handouts. Daddy writing a check to Harvard is not paying one's own way.
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by Ifreann » Mon Mar 02, 2020 10:57 am
The kid getting paid through college is because of a parent's act of love and abundance. It's meant to be an investment.
My family saved for my college since the day I was born. In the end, I went to trade school with a five thousand dollar total tuition, and got a Georgia Gambling (HOPE) Scholarship that paid ninety percent of my tuition.
My total costs for college? Five hundred dollars.
by Saiwania » Mon Mar 02, 2020 11:04 am
TURTLESHROOM II wrote:My family saved for my college since the day I was born. In the end, I went to trade school with a five thousand dollar total tuition, and got a Georgia Gambling (HOPE) Scholarship that paid ninety percent of my tuition.
by The of Korea » Mon Mar 02, 2020 11:22 am
Ethel mermania wrote:Ifreann wrote:But society can make it that way for everyone. So why shouldn't we? We've already done and continue to do loads of things to make the world more fair than it would otherwise be, why stop now?
It's not fairer it takes away incentive to do things on your own and be responsible for yourself. I dont mind caring for those who can not care for themselves. I object to handouts to people who can do themselves.
by Ethel mermania » Mon Mar 02, 2020 11:30 am
The of Korea wrote:Ethel mermania wrote:It's not fairer it takes away incentive to do things on your own and be responsible for yourself. I dont mind caring for those who can not care for themselves. I object to handouts to people who can do themselves.
if you agree that success should be based on merit, then why not support an equal playing field for everyone? People being born into lower socioeconomic positions gives them generally a worse education and a worse chance of success in life, just because their parents didn't have money.
by South Ccanda » Mon Mar 02, 2020 12:09 pm
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