Doesn't that mean they can budget elsewhere? Also if it isn't in the category of chronic disease and health promotion what category is it in and how much funding is in it because I could not find it or I just missed it by accident.
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by Satuga » Thu Feb 27, 2020 7:43 am
by Ifreann » Thu Feb 27, 2020 7:44 am
Satuga wrote:The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:This justifies defunding and gutting the CDC how exactly?
Neutering the CDC also neuters it’s effectiveness and ability to coordinate with other national and international health agencies at containing and combating diseases.
Can you show me how much he's "Gutted" the CDC because from what I saw the budget, while decreased slightly is still high.
So are you saying that other national health organization are pretty much incapable without the US being it's top leader? Why does the world have to rely on the finances of the US?
Now don't get me wrong I'm not exactly saying the CDC should do nothing, or should have no funding to combat this, but the idea that cuts in the CDC funding is what really is allowing the Coronavirus to spread and not be cured is absurd.
The world should be capable of handling this without the help of the US even more so when it does have the help of the US just slightly less so.
by Ifreann » Thu Feb 27, 2020 7:49 am
Also if it isn't in the category of chronic disease and health promotion what category is it in and how much funding is in it because I could not find it or I just missed it by accident.
by Satuga » Thu Feb 27, 2020 7:50 am
Ifreann wrote:Who's saying that?
We are capable of handling this without the CDC, we have our own disease control organisations. Whether the US will be able to handle this without the CDC is another question entirely.
New Rogernomics wrote:Good to know that Trump has made America and the world so prepared for this:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:Neutering the CDC also neuters it’s effectiveness and ability to coordinate with other national and international health agencies at containing and combating diseases.
by Satuga » Thu Feb 27, 2020 7:52 am
Ifreann wrote:Satuga wrote:Doesn't that mean they can budget elsewhere?
You want the CDC to stop spending money on chronic disease prevention and health promotion?Also if it isn't in the category of chronic disease and health promotion what category is it in and how much funding is in it because I could not find it or I just missed it by accident.
Global disease outbreak, complex crisis, global health security. You know, all those things that have been cut that are being mentioned because they're relevant to the current situation.
by Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Thu Feb 27, 2020 7:52 am
Satuga wrote:Ifreann wrote:Who's saying that?
We are capable of handling this without the CDC, we have our own disease control organisations. Whether the US will be able to handle this without the CDC is another question entirely.New Rogernomics wrote:Good to know that Trump has made America and the world so prepared for this:The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:Neutering the CDC also neuters it’s effectiveness and ability to coordinate with other national and international health agencies at containing and combating diseases.
^this one less so.
It is always possible to add emergency funding into the CDC should it be needed, I don't think the CDC is entirely incapable with the budget cuts it was given.
by Satuga » Thu Feb 27, 2020 7:53 am
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:"It's only the equivalent of a chest xray comrades."
by Paddy O Fernature » Thu Feb 27, 2020 7:54 am
Ifreann wrote:
This is literally nothing to do with the coronavirus, it's advice on when certain facial hairstyles will break the seal on a respirator's facepiece. As in these type of things.
by Ifreann » Thu Feb 27, 2020 7:58 am
Satuga wrote:Ifreann wrote:Who's saying that?
We are capable of handling this without the CDC, we have our own disease control organisations. Whether the US will be able to handle this without the CDC is another question entirely.New Rogernomics wrote:Good to know that Trump has made America and the world so prepared for this:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:Neutering the CDC also neuters it’s effectiveness and ability to coordinate with other national and international health agencies at containing and combating diseases.
^this one less so.
It is always possible to add emergency funding into the CDC should it be needed,
I don't think the CDC is entirely incapable with the budget cuts it was given.
by Ifreann » Thu Feb 27, 2020 8:12 am
Satuga wrote:Ifreann wrote:You want the CDC to stop spending money on chronic disease prevention and health promotion?
Global disease outbreak, complex crisis, global health security. You know, all those things that have been cut that are being mentioned because they're relevant to the current situation.
Not stop, but rather take some of the budgeting and focus it more towards the outbreak. Does it not make sense to put other things on slow roll while trying to combat and actual emergency outbreak?
Can you point me towards it, because while I was going through the budgeting between around 2016-2020 I didn't see that category.
New Rogernomics wrote:Good to know that Trump has made America and the world so prepared for this: https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-c ... rus-2020-2In 2018, for instance, the CDC cut 80% of its efforts to prevent global disease outbreaks because it was running out of money. Ultimately, the department went from working in 49 countries to just 10.
[...]Shutting down the entire global-health-security unit of the National Security Council.
Eliminating the US government's $30 million Complex Crises Fund.
Reducing national health spending by $15 billion.
Consistently attacking Mark Green, the director of the US Agency for International Development.
Paddy O Fernature wrote:Ifreann wrote:This is literally nothing to do with the coronavirus, it's advice on when certain facial hairstyles will break the seal on a respirator's facepiece. As in these type of things.
Iffy is quite right on this one.
Besides, if people are that worried about keeping a good seal with facial hair, they do make M95 hoodies/masks to cover this issue as well. Or you could just go hog wild and get a PAPR unit and call it a day.
by Satuga » Thu Feb 27, 2020 8:17 am
Ifreann wrote:-snip-
by Paddy O Fernature » Thu Feb 27, 2020 8:19 am
Ifreann wrote:I expect for most people this is only likely to come up if they're already in hospital
by New Rogernomics » Thu Feb 27, 2020 8:20 am
That isn't the argument though. The CDC can be prepared and capable, though that does not mean that it is prepared as it could be. Cutting funding to areas and spontaneously boosting them is not going to be as effective as the funding all being there in the first place, and operating for years.Satuga wrote:Ifreann wrote:Who's saying that?
We are capable of handling this without the CDC, we have our own disease control organisations. Whether the US will be able to handle this without the CDC is another question entirely.New Rogernomics wrote:Good to know that Trump has made America and the world so prepared for this:The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:Neutering the CDC also neuters it’s effectiveness and ability to coordinate with other national and international health agencies at containing and combating diseases.
^this one less so.
It is always possible to add emergency funding into the CDC should it be needed, I don't think the CDC is entirely incapable with the budget cuts it was given.
by The Black Forrest » Thu Feb 27, 2020 8:22 am
by Ifreann » Thu Feb 27, 2020 8:24 am
Satuga wrote:Ifreann wrote:-snip-
How about a primary source instead of a secondary one, I'd like to look at the actual budget size for outbreaks from the CDC rather than just statements about cut's from news articles. I'd also like to actually be able to compare the separate department budgets from this year to a previous year.
by New Rogernomics » Thu Feb 27, 2020 8:26 am
His admin probably told folks: "find areas to cut", as always when governments implement irresponsible tax cuts, leaving the government without the funding to support services.
by Satuga » Thu Feb 27, 2020 8:27 am
New Rogernomics wrote:That isn't the argument though. The CDC can be prepared and capable, though that does not mean that it is prepared as it could be. Cutting funding to areas and spontaneously boosting them is not going to be as effective as the funding all being there in the first place, and operating for years.
by New Rogernomics » Thu Feb 27, 2020 8:34 am
It isn't hyperbole but fact. Trump's administration cut funding to international programs targeting disease outbreaks, R&D, and other programs they thought "non-essential" and now that is all coming back to bite him.Satuga wrote:New Rogernomics wrote:That isn't the argument though. The CDC can be prepared and capable, though that does not mean that it is prepared as it could be. Cutting funding to areas and spontaneously boosting them is not going to be as effective as the funding all being there in the first place, and operating for years.
Well of course it's not going to be as effective, I'm also not saying that all funding should be cut or something ludicrous. Rather I'm just saying that your original statement seemed to be a hyperbole, I don't think nearly as bad as it seems. I more concerned about whether the virus is able to return to a dormant state during treatment.
by Satuga » Thu Feb 27, 2020 8:37 am
New Rogernomics wrote:It isn't hyperbole but fact. Trump's administration cut funding to international programs targeting disease outbreaks, R&D, and other programs they thought "non-essential" and now that is all coming back to bite him.Satuga wrote:Well of course it's not going to be as effective, I'm also not saying that all funding should be cut or something ludicrous. Rather I'm just saying that your original statement seemed to be a hyperbole, I don't think nearly as bad as it seems. I more concerned about whether the virus is able to return to a dormant state during treatment.
by Oscioru » Thu Feb 27, 2020 9:39 am
by San Lumen » Thu Feb 27, 2020 9:41 am
by The New California Republic » Thu Feb 27, 2020 9:43 am
San Lumen wrote:https://twitter.com/GEsfandiari/status/1233037127446941697
This is crazy. the Vice President of Iran Massoumeh Ebtekar tested positive for the virus and was at a cabinet meeting yesterday with President Rouhani. 2 other mp's and a deputy health minster have come down as well. Are they going to quarantine Iranian leadership?
by Dogmeat » Thu Feb 27, 2020 9:56 am
Paddy O Fernature wrote:Ifreann wrote:This is literally nothing to do with the coronavirus, it's advice on when certain facial hairstyles will break the seal on a respirator's facepiece. As in these type of things.
Iffy is quite right on this one.
Besides, if people are that worried about keeping a good seal with facial hair, they do make M95 hoodies/masks to cover this issue as well. Or you could just go hog wild and get a PAPR unit and call it a day.Satuga wrote:What? I don't get the reference/joke you're trying to make.
It's a bad reference to Chernobyl.
by Genivaria » Thu Feb 27, 2020 10:10 am
by The Black Forrest » Thu Feb 27, 2020 10:11 am
Genivaria wrote:So apparently the Pope has been infected.
https://nypost.com/2020/02/27/pope-fran ... sufferers/
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